HOLY WARS - THE CRUSADES 1250AD - including poll

[CHAMPOS]

The Crusades 1250AD

In 1250ad...
- the 7th Crusade by the Roman Catholics had commenced to attempt to reclaim the Holy Lands
- the Christian Livonian Knights were battling it out with the Pagan Tribes
- the Iberian Kingdoms were gradually expelling the Islamic states from their lands
- the Islamic Mamluks were establishing power in the eastern Islamic lands
- the Mongols Empire was split after Ghengis Khan's death in 1227 and resulting sucession tensions, into the northern Golden Horde and the southern Il-Khanate
- Both Mongol lands were rapidly expanding eastwards
- Both Mongol Hordes were starting to have a go at each other
... who will prevail...

HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, NO DEAD SPACES ON MAP...

CURRENT VERSION




There are 6 continents : armies/ territories/ to defend
- Roman Catholics 6/ 10/ 3
- Eastern Othodox 5/ 7/ 7
- Islamic Emirates 3/ 8/ 4
- Pagan Tribes 2/ 4/ 3
- Mongol Golden Horde 3/ 7/ 3
- Mongol Il-Khanate 2/ 5/ 3
----
42 in total

A crudader holding the Holy Lands, whilst holding a continent(s), will receive double the army entitelment for holding the continent(s). For example a crusader holding the Holy Lands and all the Islamic Emirate states will be entitled to a army bonus of 6, instead of the usual 3. Hence it is worth crusading for...

The Pyranees Mountains are only passable by troops (and subsequent reinforement moves) in the direction indicated by the arrows. The Carpanthian and Caucasus Mountains are inpassable between those territories marked with a cross.

This is based on the project from the past - see link: viewtopic.php?f=242&t=6135&start=0

Let the Crusades commence...

[miniwally]

weren't the mongols islamic and only a little bit of the south of spain not all of it

[captainwalrus]

Some of the colors in the key don't seem to corrispond to anything.

[sailorseal]

Capitalize the word Crusader. Make the - you have in front of the bonus number disappear or change it to something else. Your graphics look fine but could be better.I like the idea and could you explain the brown around Hungry. Also change the names in England and make more smaller bonuses...

[Beko the Great]

I'm working at the same theme in this thread here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=241&t=77562

[sailorseal]

I'm working at the same theme in this thread here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=241&t=77562

He posted his map first so I think we need a CA to decide if his continues or yours continues or both because they are different...

(By a few hours)

[Beko the Great]

My post hour: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:56 pm
His post hour: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:37 pm

Mine was first than his. CHAMPOS, please take a look at my map

Click image to enlarge.

If you like the grafics I think we can mix our maps ideas. I think the year 1099 is the best because it's the first crusade. Your jew territories are based on what?
What do you think?
It's up to you CHAMPOS!

[miniwally]

Let both continue there both based on very different crusades and i would like one with the north in albeit could do with some better graphics but i'm guessing it's just a first draft so it's fine.

[sailorseal]

My post hour: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:56 pm
His post hour: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:37 pm

Mine was first than his. CHAMPOS, please take a look at my map

Click image to enlarge.

If you like the grafics I think we can mix our maps ideas. I think the year 1099 is the best because it's the first crusade. Your jew territories are based on what?
What do you think?
It's up to you CHAMPOS!

Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:56 am is what I see

[gho]

I prefer Champos' territories and continent lay out, 5 fairly large continents, compared to Beko' 10 continents. Maybe you could make the Holy Land worth +2, but make the christian territories which sent significant troops to the battle able to one way attack it, I think this would provide an interesting twist to the gameplay, where some players would try to hold the holy lands, while others would slowly try to take continents. I also thought that the mongols captured and sacked baghdad? or was this earlier (or later) in history?

Otherwise you could half all the region bonuses and have the bonuses double if you also own the holy lands (keeping the ability to attack from other more distant territories)

[CHAMPOS]

The Crusades 1250AD

In 1250ad the 7th Crusade by the Roman Catholics had commnced to attempt to reclaim the Holy Lands, at the same time the Livonian Knights were battling it out with the Pagan Barbarians, the Iberian Kingdoms were gradually expelling the Islamic states from their lands, the Islamic Mamluks were establishing power in the eastern Islamic lands, and the Mongols were rapidly expanding into both Eastern Othodox, Roman Catholic and Islamic lands.



There are 5 continents (army bonus):
- Roman Catholics (7)
- Islamic Emirates (4)
- Eastern Othodox (5)
- Pagan Barbarians (2)
- Mongol Hordes (3)

A crudader holding the Holy Lands, whilst holding a continent(s), will receive double the army entitelment for holding the continent(s). For example a crusader holding the Holy Lands and all the Islamic Emirate states will be entitled to a army bonus of 8, instead of the usual 4. Hence it is worth crusading for...

The Pyranees and the Caucasus Mountains are only passable by troops (and subsequent reinforement moves) in the direction indicated by the arrows. The Carpanthian Mountains are inpassable between Hungary and Galicia (as indicated by the cross)

Let the Crusades commence...

[CHAMPOS]

I now think this is historically accruate. This was the main problem with my last attempt at this which ground to a halt over a year ago.

Comments welcome on the historical accuracy (wikipedia based) and the playability. enjoy.

[CHAMPOS]

mongols in baghdad was 1258..

[Beko the Great]

I like this graphics a little bit more, however circles are too coloured. You should make them more transparent and darker. However there was a thing I like in the first map which disapeared in this one, minority religions. You could put for example a islamic minority in some orthodox territories and bonus could be for example... Catholic territories - X, all christian (includes all catholic territories + catholic minorities) - X+Y. See?

I'm using Adobe Photoshop and Image Ready for my map. What program are you using? If you have some time and some patience you will see you can upgrade your grafics.

Cheers!

[miniwally]

can't the christian areas be split up more? (i like big maps )

[CHAMPOS]

a bigger map...luckily the mongul hordes were splitting into warring fractions at the time after Ghengis Khans death.

The Crusades 1250AD

In 1250ad...
- the 7th Crusade by the Roman Catholics had commenced to attempt to reclaim the Holy Lands
- the Christian Livonian Knights were battling it out with the Pagan Tribes
- the Iberian Kingdoms were gradually expelling the Islamic states from their lands
- the Islamic Mamluks were establishing power in the eastern Islamic lands
- the Mongols Empire was split after Ghengis Khan's death in 1227 and resulting sucession tensions, into the northern Golden Horde and the southern Il-Khanate
- Both Mongol lands were rapidly expanding eastwards
... who will prevail...



There are 6 continents : armies territories to defend
- Roman Catholics 6 10 3
- Eastern Othodox 5 7 7
- Islamic Emirates 4 8 4
- Pagan Tribes 2 4 3
- Mongol Golden Horde 2 7 3
- Mongol Il-Khanate 2 5 3
----
42 in total

A crudader holding the Holy Lands, whilst holding a continent(s), will receive double the army entitelment for holding the continent(s). For example a crusader holding the Holy Lands and all the Islamic Emirate states will be entitled to a army bonus of 8, instead of the usual 4. Hence it is worth crusading for...

The Pyranees Mountains are only passable by troops (and subsequent reinforement moves) in the direction indicated by the arrows. The Carpanthian and Caucasus Mountains are inpassable between those territories marked with a cross.

Let the Crusades commence...

[miniwally]

caen was owned by england then wasn't it or was this after the time france took it back

EDIT: and what's with the blue?

[CHAMPOS]

Wikipedia - Caen Castle, along with all of Normandy, was handed over to the French Crown in 1204

noted on the blue, i will change in the next version.

[miniwally]

Wikipedia - Caen Castle, along with all of Normandy, was handed over to the French Crown in 1204

noted on the blue, i will change in the next version.

interesting

[CHAMPOS]

The Crusades 1250AD

In 1250ad...
- the 7th Crusade by the Roman Catholics had commenced to attempt to reclaim the Holy Lands
- the Christian Livonian Knights were battling it out with the Pagan Tribes
- the Iberian Kingdoms were gradually expelling the Islamic states from their lands
- the Islamic Mamluks were establishing power in the eastern Islamic lands
- the Mongols Empire was split after Ghengis Khan's death in 1227 and resulting sucession tensions, into the northern Golden Horde and the southern Il-Khanate
- Both Mongol lands were rapidly expanding eastwards
- Both Mongol Hordes were starting to have a go at each other
... who will prevail...

CURRENT VERSION
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There are 6 continents : armies territories to defend
- Roman Catholics 7 10 3
- Eastern Othodox 5 7 7
- Islamic Emirates 5 8 4
- Pagan Tribes 2 4 3
- Mongol Golden Horde 3 7 3
- Mongol Il-Khanate 2 5 3
----
42 in total

A crudader holding the Holy Lands, whilst holding a continent(s), will receive double the army entitelment for holding the continent(s). For example a crusader holding the Holy Lands and all the Islamic Emirate states will be entitled to a army bonus of 8, instead of the usual 4. Hence it is worth crusading for...

The Pyranees Mountains are only passable by troops (and subsequent reinforement moves) in the direction indicated by the arrows. The Carpanthian and Caucasus Mountains are inpassable between those territories marked with a cross.

Let the Crusades commence...

[CHAMPOS]

The Crusades 1250AD

In 1250ad...
- the 7th Crusade by the Roman Catholics had commenced to attempt to reclaim the Holy Lands
- the Christian Livonian Knights were battling it out with the Pagan Tribes
- the Iberian Kingdoms were gradually expelling the Islamic states from their lands
- the Islamic Mamluks were establishing power in the eastern Islamic lands
- the Mongols Empire was split after Ghengis Khan's death in 1227 and resulting sucession tensions, into the northern Golden Horde and the southern Il-Khanate
- Both Mongol lands were rapidly expanding eastwards
- Both Mongol Hordes were starting to have a go at each other
... who will prevail...

CURRENT VERSION


There are 6 continents : armies territories to defend
- Roman Catholics 7 10 3
- Eastern Othodox 5 7 7
- Islamic Emirates 5 8 4
- Pagan Tribes 2 4 3
- Mongol Golden Horde 3 7 3
- Mongol Il-Khanate 2 5 3
----
42 in total

A crudader holding the Holy Lands, whilst holding a continent(s), will receive double the army entitelment for holding the continent(s). For example a crusader holding the Holy Lands and all the Islamic Emirate states will be entitled to a army bonus of 8, instead of the usual 4. Hence it is worth crusading for...

The Pyranees Mountains are only passable by troops (and subsequent reinforement moves) in the direction indicated by the arrows. The Carpanthian and Caucasus Mountains are inpassable between those territories marked with a cross.

Let the Crusades commence...

[the.killing.44]

The Good:
I like the font
Nicely done on the borders
The land masses look great

The Bad:
The water is way too light … try a blue color
Try making the army circles at 50-75% opacity
The "X" doesn't make the impassability clear enough IMO. Same with the "V"
The pink bonus is way unfair … someone could go from 15 troops to drop to 30 with one tert.

The Ugly:
The pink border … *shivers*

Nice update
.44

[LED ZEPPELINER]

whats with all the white

[CHAMPOS]

this is an updated version

i have made a few of the changes

i think we need to keep the crusade bonus of going for the holy lands, the point of the map. I have lowered some of the bonuses to compensate.

can't do much on the sea colour graphic

[miniwally]

expand holy lands at least then up to antioch so it has 5 borders and mabe some ports but might be to much like the first crusade map