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POKE's Conquer Map (version Alpha.2.3 - page 4)

Postby iceco on Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:44 am

Well, version Alpha.2 is done. It is actually about version 6, if you count it in a more conventional way.
As of this version, there are no copyright issues.

I hope to advance to get my draft stamp with this, though that's not up to me, is it?
Note: I already fixed the sharpness of the small map, I can't fix it more.

Old versions:
- Paper draft: no image
- Digital sketch:http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMap.png
- Pre-release v0.5: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapBG.png
- Pre-release v1.5: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapBGColourBase.png
- Pre-release v2: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapBGColourBase-1.png
- Pre-release v3: Not uploaded and in the meanwhile lost.
- Pre-release v4: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapBGColourBase-5.png
- Official alpha.1: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapAlfa.png
- Official alpha.2: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapV2Small.png
- Official alpha.2.1: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapV2Small-1.png
- Official alpha.2.2: http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/iceco_lfkd/CCMapV2Large-1.png

Properties:
Territories: 91
Continents: 31

Current: Alpha.2.3 (Small map discontinued: Alpha.2.2)
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For version Alpha.3:
- New name for Jotoh
- Alternative for consoles
- Re-add map name and credits
- Make ferry service names bigger
- Find a way to make miscellaneous continents stand out.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:01 am

copyright.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby shakeycat on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:02 pm

Is this just about the map, or do you want to have some unique animal-collector gameplay? You could cover the idea of pokemon really well, without ever saying the word.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby Kotaro on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:17 pm

You can't just use images, maps, ideas without saying the word and avoid copyright. All images, basic ideas, everything to do with poke'mon, is copyrighted.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby iceco on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:40 am

I have sent a request for permission, defending my goal
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby iceco on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:13 pm

I got a negative mail (disclaimer prohibits me posting it, :roll: )

Anyway, I just planned on using the names of towns, not catch any pokémon or anything. Which makes me think they can't really prohibit me from using things like "Viridian" instead of "Viridian City" as the former isn't copyrighted (it's a colour pigment) and they could only invoke 'possibility of confusion', which won't work as this has a completely different context as the pokémon games (plus, they'd need an attorney, which they won't bother with, especially since they are wrong).
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby barterer2002 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:25 pm

iceco wrote:I got a negative mail (disclaimer prohibits me posting it, :roll: )

Anyway, I just planned on using the names of towns, not catch any pokémon or anything. Which makes me think they can't really prohibit me from using things like "Viridian" instead of "Viridian City" as the former isn't copyrighted (it's a colour pigment) and they could only invoke 'possibility of confusion', which won't work as this has a completely different context as the pokémon games (plus, they'd need an attorney, which they won't bother with, especially since they are wrong).


I would suspect you won't be able to do that. If you want to call it Blue City rather than Viridian or Viridian City it could work but simply making a small change (like dropping city) from an easily recognizable copywrited item isn't going to fly.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby Danyael on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:37 pm

Kotaro wrote:You can't just use images, maps, ideas without saying the word and avoid copyright. All images, basic ideas, everything to do with poke'mon, is copyrighted.


and trademarked

iceco wrote:I got a negative mail (disclaimer prohibits me posting it, :roll: )

Anyway, I just planned on using the names of towns, not catch any pokémon or anything. Which makes me think they can't really prohibit me from using things like "Viridian" instead of "Viridian City" as the former isn't copyrighted (it's a colour pigment) and they could only invoke 'possibility of confusion', which won't work as this has a completely different context as the pokémon games (plus, they'd need an attorney, which they won't bother with, especially since they are wrong).


they are not wrong then made up pokeman they have all rights to do what they want with there idea
and they would go after cc cause they are a business making money from people playing on maps
ergo if you want to make a map do not use any thing that looks or resembles the look of any of there maps
your draft for example

why not start your own idea from scratch you would enjoy it alot more
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby iceco on Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:22 pm

Thank you for the feedback.

I won't make another map though, as this was meant for a special occasion.
I am still looking into the technical details, as it isn't as straight forward as you two put it, though probably the end result will be the same.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby iceco on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:21 am

Updated the first post. I made an alpha version.
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Re: Pokemon regions

Postby iancanton on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:00 am

copyright is a serious issue here: it's the reason why cc's middle earth map was hurriedly changed to centerscape before being revamped to midgard. this map, if it contains any pokemon images or unaltered names of pokemon characters or places, will not be authorised by lackattack. most importantly, u must remove the word pokemon itself, though u can probably use a made-up word that looks or sounds similar.

shakeycat wrote:You could cover the idea of pokemon really well, without ever saying the word.

this can certainly be done. conquerman is an example of a copyrighted game that has been turned into a cc map, but where the overall look is clearly recognisable from the original.

u will need community support to advance into the main foundry. though it's early days so far - the map has been posted for only a short time and only a few people know about it - u don't have many comments, partly because many people are away on holiday, but also because u're a new mapmaker who has no fan club. try to drum up some more support and discussion by mentioning ur map and posting a link to it after u play games against new opponents (as long as u don't annoy them by doing it!). u can also use a small image of part of ur map in ur cc signature (do this by editing the signature in ur cc profile), so that players can see a sample of ur work. good luck!

ian. :)
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Re: Pokémon regions - gone in alpha (v 1.0)

Postby iceco on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:21 am

Thanks for the reply.

I have already chanced every name, except for the region names, which I forgot, but I already have alternatives for them. And "pokémon" won't be used. I'll go with "POKE's Conquer" or any less cheesy alternative someone would propose.
Also the map is only based on the pokémon regions loosely, no direct mimicking of geography and the island group formation is made up entirely.
Would that be enough precautions? Especially as the names I "copied" are on trademarks, not as copyrighted ideas, which has a slightly different legal environment (TM's only protect against possibility of confusion between products, which isn't the case here, unless they team up with Hasbro for their own Risk map).

I'll also keep in mind the promotional advise ;) . I certainly must be able to find support under the "young of mind".
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Re: Pokémon regions - gone in alpha (v 1.0)

Postby iancanton on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:32 am

almost! after u change the title of this thread in the opening post to the name of ur new map, u ought to be safe enough.

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Re: POKE's Conquer Map (v1)

Postby Schwournes on Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:00 am

It looks good, but I think the Sinnoh bonuses don't look logical, I think it should be west, east and maritimes (a band-shaped bonus around the top and east), personally.
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Re: POKE's Conquer Map (v1)

Postby matt-the-twat on Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:07 am

Looks fantastic! Can't wait for this as a map, looks like there's a lot of strategy to be had here :)
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