Krazy Kingdoms [D, GP] - GR/GP Updated (6/19)

[dolomite13]

Just kinda waiting on an update for these recent suggestions and you'll be likely good-to-go here dolomite.

Probably have an update this or next week sometime. Just started a new job and been super busy with that and my freelance wen dev work.

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Just checking in as I didn't want you to think I abandoned work on it. I have time set aside tomorrow evening for CC map development and will post the update late tomorrow =)

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[RedBaron0]

Just kinda waiting on an update for these recent suggestions and you'll be likely good-to-go here dolomite.

Probably have an update this or next week sometime. Just started a new job and been super busy with that and my freelance wen dev work.

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Just checking in as I didn't want you to think I abandoned work on it. I have time set aside tomorrow evening for CC map development and will post the update late tomorrow =)

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uh huh... make it quick, you're over as it is.

[dolomite13]

Just kinda waiting on an update for these recent suggestions and you'll be likely good-to-go here dolomite.

Probably have an update this or next week sometime. Just started a new job and been super busy with that and my freelance wen dev work.

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Just checking in as I didn't want you to think I abandoned work on it. I have time set aside tomorrow evening for CC map development and will post the update late tomorrow =)

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uh huh... make it quick, you're over as it is.

I know ... I might even do the update this evening as the wife decided to go out with work friends to happy hour which means I have a bit of free time this evenin =)

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[dolomite13]

Made a few changes... here we go
- maelstrom no longer bombards
- J1 - J4 order shifted a bit to make it consistent with other territories
- swapped a few icons in T4-P4 and F3-D4
- reworded a few things to make them clearer
- large map is 840 x 800 and small map is now 620 x 590 (down from 630 wide)

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Starting Forces - http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6117/kk024start.png

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[EricPhail]

Nice, liking the improved legend entries for Elementalists and druids, wording looks cleaner to me.

Which leaves wizards (consitent colouring of the maelstrom icons) as the only thing I can see that looks a bit iffy

So other than that, looks good

[RedBaron0]

I'm having an extremely difficult time interpreting the legend, the special features primarily. The Wizards is especially confusing.

I do see what Eric is saying about the Maelstrom icons, the bigger one is pink in the middle, while the littler ones are redder, the colors should be consistent.

[dolomite13]

I'm having an extremely difficult time interpreting the legend, the special features primarily. The Wizards is especially confusing.

I do see what Eric is saying about the Maelstrom icons, the bigger one is pink in the middle, while the littler ones are redder, the colors should be consistent.

I am not at all satisfied with Wizards and think I have an idea how it can be changed to make it cooler and easier to understand. I would start by removing the maelstrom and all existing abilities and replace them as follows.

Key Entry
[F] Territories that border the forbidden lands

Wizards
2x[F] +2
4x[F] +5
6x[F] +8

This would shrink the height of the wizards area and give me some wiggle room elsewhere for clarifications.

I will also take another pass at all of the abilities and the key to see if there is any way to make it easier to understand.

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[EricPhail]

Key Entry
[F] Territories that border the forbidden lands

Wizards
[F][F] +2
[F][F][F][F] +5
[F][F][F][F][F][F] +8

This would shrink the height of the wizards area and give me some wiggle room elsewhere for clarifications.

I will also take another pass at all of the abilities and the key to see if there is any way to make it easier to understand.

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Nice idea, could work:
You'll need something other than [F] though since that will be too easily confused for forest - [Fl] maybe, or perhaps a similar symbol (in black) to the adjacent to seas one (but that would have to be notably different to the aformentioned adj(seas) symbol to avoid confusion - diagonal break in the other direction perhaps)

[dolomite13]

I have been working on cleaning up the key and changing wizards and I realized that "Fishermen" is just plain weird. I would like to change them to "Aquatic" and change seas as follows.

Old Way
-- Seas cannot be assault or be assaulted

Fishermen
- Can assault seas
- Seas autodeploy 2
- Seas that border are territories you control are adjacent
* This allows you to conquer a sea then reinforce across the sea if you control territories on both sides.

New Way
-- Seas can be bombarded by and can assault bordering territories

Aquatic
- Can assault seas
- Seas +2 bonus each
* this allows you to conquer and then assault from seas effectively taking them away as impassible terrain for you.

Thoughts???

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[EricPhail]

Could work, it leaves seas as an eternal spoil location for everyone else mind (TBH I'd leave it as it is for now see how people find it in beta) but if you like the new version better (to balance the bonus correctly, + 1 each , +5 for all might be a better starting position - +2 each is going to be overpowered for sure)

[dolomite13]

Could work, it leaves seas as an eternal spoil location for everyone else mind (TBH I'd leave it as it is for now see how people find it in beta) but if you like the new version better (to balance the bonus correctly, + 1 each , +5 for all might be a better starting position - +2 each is going to be overpowered for sure)

I do like this much better. Seas and the Forbidden Lands are the only 2 territories that are bordered by 6 other territories and they are quite spread out. I feel like it will be quite difficult for the "Aquatic" player to take and hold a Sea but you could be right in that the bonus for holding them may be too high. However consider that if you pull "Elementalist Dragonkin" you could have a +2 bonus by conquering only 2 territories. Same for "Aquatic". However the special ability is more in line with the "Dwellers" and they suffer a slight decrease in bonus. So I am inclined to go with your recommendation of +1, +2, +3, +5.

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[dolomite13]

Latest images and changes

* Wizards gain bonuses from controlling territories that border the forbidden lands
* 2 = +2
* 4 = +5
* 6 = +8

* Seas can be bombarded by and can assault bordering territories
* Fishermen now Aquatic
* Aquatic can assault seas
* Aquatic Seas +1 bonus each +1 more for all 4

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[EricPhail]

Looks good to me, I really like the symbol for bordering the forbidden lands

Question re: bonuses
1 Favourite is +1, 2 = +2 etc
4 is +8 (1 each and 4 for all 4)?

Fanatics seem to be (including standard bonuses)
1= +1
2 = +4 (2+2)
3 = +8 (3+5)
4 = +16 (4+4+8)

It's barbarians that I'm not sure on, is it:
If they hold the horde they get an extra +1 per favorite
Meaning without horde as normal
With Horde:
1 = +4 (1+1+ auto 2)
2 = +6 (2+2+ auto 2)
3 = +8 (3+3+ auto 2)
4 = +14 (4+4+4 + auto 2)?
if so thats rather overpowered given it also borders all your favorite territories (and is thus a shortcut)
you may wish to rebalance it's bonuses

[dolomite13]

Looks good to me, I really like the symbol for bordering the forbidden lands

Thanks

Question re: bonuses
1 Favourite is +1, 2 = +2 etc
4 is +8 (1 each and 4 for all 4)?

Correct... I think I have an idea... see below

Fanatics seem to be (including standard bonuses)
1= +1
2 = +4 (2+2)
3 = +8 (3+5)
4 = +16 (4+4+8)

Fanatics are in addition to your favorites ... this may need to be scaled back a tiny bit

It's barbarians that I'm not sure on, is it:
If they hold the horde they get an extra +1 per favorite
Meaning without horde as normal
With Horde:
1 = +4 (1+1+ auto 2)
2 = +6 (2+2+ auto 2)
3 = +8 (3+3+ auto 2)
4 = +14 (4+4+4 + auto 2)?
if so thats rather overpowered given it also borders all your favorite territories (and is thus a shortcut)
you may wish to rebalance it's bonuses

This does seem a bit much ... the demons autodeploy also seems like a bonus that cant be taken away like others can ...

I am going to look at demons, barbarians, and fanatics...

and

the big idea... I am going to add a note that all bonuses are cumulative, provide an example and change the bonus amounts to reflect this.

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[dolomite13]

v0.2.6 - Changes

* Added note that all bonuses are cumulative
* changed barbarians to get +1 for every 2 territories not favored and not adjacent to favored (+7 max)
* removed a bonus from barbarians
* changed horde to decay 1 (from auto 2)
* changed demons to auto 1 (from 3)
* changed demons to +1 per demons territory down from +2
* fanatics total bonus now +6 down from +8
* all bonuses brought in line with cumulative structure

If you held all 4 favored territories, 3 adjacent and 6 (non adjacent/non favored) you would have a bonus of +13 (8+3+2)
If you were also "undead" and held 2 territories with Crypts you would get an additional +4

Barbarians are now more in line with their original design and I was able to get "decay" back on the map.

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