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Postby DublinDoogey on Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:36 pm

Here's the latest version:

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I believe that it *might* be ready, and then I'll begin work on the xml.

From version one, i've added non-crossable boundries using the plethora of mountains and rivers available in North America. My goal with these is to create bonus areas that are obtainable, but a challenge to do so, in the middle of the map. Basically, becuase it's a larger map than what we've seen, it will be inevitable that some of the bonus areas are extremely difficult to hold.

I've also checked spelling, but it's possible that some mistakes have slipped through.

Anyway, lets discuss borders, bonuses and anything else!
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:12 pm

What are the bonuses? And before Marv comes into, do a contintent by contintent analysis of attack routes, borders, bonuses, etc. ;)

It looks interesting though. I'd give it a chance to take up a play spot for myself. Nevada's name looks more like "evada" due to the 'N' being on the border. Same with Kentucky "entucky". And I almost think that Ohio should be named Michigan, and maybe DC just be Virgina. But those are beside the fact. Start with an analysis and then everyone can see how the whole of map pans out balance wise.

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Postby DublinDoogey on Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:58 pm

What are the bonuses?


I left those out for now, since I figured they'd be off anyway :)
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:08 pm

Just asking, it's better to start somewhere, even if it's way off.

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Postby DublinDoogey on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:10 pm

Continent, # countries, # borders to other continents---possible bonus?

Arctic Circle: 7, 2---2

Canada: 9, 7---7

French Canada: 5, 3---2

Western United States: 7, 6---5

Central United States: 10, 7---6

Eastern United States: 9, 6---5

Mexico: 6, 5---4

The Tropics: 7, 2---2


And I just noticed that Nunuvut became nonfat, I must've misclicked during the spell check :lol:

For Nevada and Kentucky, should I make them white, or just make those two have smaller text, I can't really get around the size of the country. Also, is it clear that 'Ohio' (michigan does make more sense) borders Ontario and Ottawa?

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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:46 pm

I'm afraid that white text will break up the unity of those areas, so perhaps smaller text would be in order.

I thought I noticed 'nonfat' but I don't know much about Canadian geography so I thought 'well....', hehe.

I don't think it's very clear that 'ohio/michigan' borders Ontario and Ottawa. With a glance I hadn't thought they did. Perhaps some of great lakes need to diminsh to show that more strikingly. Just noticed "Oklahoma" is a little cut off also, not quite appearing the way you would like.

"Mexico", seems like there could be a better name for that, but then you might have to argue the same for "Canada".

Now I don't know a lot about bonuses and all that, that really isn't my area of expertise. But it seems like...
---Artic Circle = Fine
---The Tropics = Fine
---Canada = Seems difficult to hold, and with only a bonus of 7.
---French Canada = Bonus seems a little small
---Western US = Seems difficult to hold, and with only a bonus of 5.
---Central US = Also difficulty in holding,
---Eastern US = Erm, same, a little discrepency for bonus perhaps.
---Mexico = Seems closer to alright.

Really I just see problems with so many borders. Western US has 7 countries, and 6 of those are borders for only a 5?

hm, if I knew more things I would comment, but that's all I could come up with. I hope what little I could do will help you out. I think with some work this map could be pretty fantastic.

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Postby DublinDoogey on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:52 pm

I think with some work this map could be pretty fantastic.


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once i hear more about the borders and bonuses, I'll put another pic up with the smaller improvements.

I just guessed mostly, for the borders, so they'll definatly change later on, probably when marv gets a chance to check it out
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Postby Fieryo on Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:07 pm

i know its a common complaint, but the color similarity between the west part of the eastcoast and the east part of the west coast is a little confusing
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:13 pm

Perhaps more yellow could be put into the East Coast area. Also it looks as if you used two different fonts for making the map...or is it just the variance in boldness due to some being on stronger colors (I.E. dark blue water).

Perhaps for Canada the 'Dakota' border could cease in exsistence. And maybe fix the Ontario/Ottawa area.

And for the Legend, I might make the Names bigger and the colors stronger, or atleast bolder so the countries stand out better from the white background.

Hm, that's everything I can think of as of this moment. Just will have to let others rack their brains and crunch the numbers.

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Postby Marvaddin on Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:24 am

Ok, I will comment... although Im a bit drunk :D

1st, some graphics comments... Your rivers / mountains suck a lot!! Specially the rivers... Keep in mind, this isnt a geo map, so you can use non-crossing borders to increase the playability. The rivers need their own background; they need more attention too: did you realized that Yukon and Northwest Territories arent connected? Well, I think simple non-crossing would be good, as in my map, but its my opinion only.

I also think (my opinion) the names should be same colour for all continents; you could use all backgrounds colours light (and use black letters) or dark (and use white letters). Re-size the words is a valid thing, in cases like Nevada... You also need another legend, its pretty ridiculous with that bad spacement... Some more refined borders would also be appreciated.

About the bonuses, I will discuss tomorrow... but you should add to your analysis the number of attack routes from / to each continent. If the 3 border countries can be attacked from 2, 3, 4, or 5 other countries, it counts a lot... Edit that post, I will be back tomorrow (im tired now).
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Postby DublinDoogey on Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:52 am

so you can use non-crossing borders to increase the playability


That's what the rivers and mountains are, maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. I put a river between Yukon and NW Terr. on purpose, and, there is a river near there in real life. I'm not sure what you mean by "need their on background" they stand out enough for me to see that they're there.

About my analysis, maybe I did it wrong but I simply put the number of countries, and then the number of borders from the continent area to other continent areas, as that is what is important.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:12 am

I think Marv is just saying that perhaps need to be strikingly different from the ocean water...just so it isn't all connected. And I think the border between Yukon and NW hurts the Article Circle...you can't fortify as much then for such a little continent. I still think it's coming along.

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Postby Marvaddin on Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:56 am

1st...
I mean, your mountains and rivers are ugly... They could be more beautiful... another texture for the mountains, and a background for the rivers. Although many players know what the rivers are, they seem extensions of the main background, not rivers. The river between Yukon and NWT is a terrible idea. I believe a continent cant be splitted this way... If a player want conquer it, but has no countries in one part, he needs to conquer at least 3 useless countries. The continent simply becomes useless.

2nd...
The number of routes is very very important, sometimes more than the border countries. Its because 2 borders countries can be connected to only one country of the neighbour continent... so those border countries count as one. Examples? Goiás and Brasília in Brazil map (if you take Tocantins, one border only), Sardinia and Sicily in Europe map (you need only take Tunisia), Hungary and Austria in the same map (you only need take Croatia), etc... So, its essential in an analysis.

I will comment the bonuses, putting the route numbers too.

Arctic Circle: 7, 2, 2... 2 armies is a ridiculous bonus after conquer 7 countries (or 10, because that river)... 3 at least. Would be better with one more border country.

Canada: 9, 7, 8... Impossible to hold. you should consider ways that can reduce the border countries to 5. How about extend a bit Ottawa and Saskat, so Ontario and Alberta could be no more borders? After these changes, bonus of 7

French Canada: 5, 3, 3... fine, bonus of 3.

Western United States: 7, 4, 5... I counted 4 border countries and you counted 6... maybe its something wrong... Fine, except for the lack of a connection to Eastern US. You should put a route between Oklahoma and Louisiana. Bonus of 4

Central United States: 10, 6, 5... again, different number of borders between us. One less border country should be good, maybe Dakota. Bonus of 6 or 7

Eastern United States: 9, 3, 6... only 3 border countries. The single problem is hold Ohio. Add that route between Louisiana and Oklahoma... Bonus of 5

Mexico: 6, 4, 4... bonus of 4 is good, I think.

The Tropics: 7, 2, 2... very easy to hold, but not that easy to conquer... 7 countries... bonus of 3. Maybe with the greater bonus you should add a route between Florida and Bahamas.

Hey, avoid perfect frontiers like California / Baja California and Arizona / Sierra Madre. It will always bring the question... "Can I attack from California to Sierra Madre? And from Baja California to Arizona? That frontier is 1 pixel to the right, so I think its possible..." Another one: Ontario / Nunavik and Ottawa / Quebec.

Dont forget about another legend, and refine some borders, like in Ohio, Nova Scotia, etc.
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Postby Haydena on Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:22 pm

Those circles seem a bit small...

Otherwise, I think it doesn't look too bad, however I know nothing of the bonuses etc...
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Postby DublinDoogey on Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:45 pm

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Changes:

Took out some "four corner" boundries

Changed the water, I'm not sure what kind of background for the rivers, I wish that the ripples in the ocean would show (the water's all one layer)

Boundry lines changed to make continents easier to hold

Legend changed, i prefer a simple white legend, what do ya'll think?

In my mind, this is *almost* done. I'm sure there are a few changes that will happen, but overall, I think it's nearly ready. Maybe that's only because I want it to be ready, but I have put hours and hours of work into it.

Anyway, we're off to Easter Dinner, I'll be checkin back later though
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