Conquer Man [Quenched]

[WidowMakers]

And here is a rough version of XML with ONLY coordinates

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... xml_03.xml

[yeti_c]

Are the above images done with the XML or overlaid numbers?

C.

[WidowMakers]

Are the above images done with the XML or overlaid numbers?

C.

Overlay. But they do work. I was not going to show XML numbers until the XML was fully done. I just need to center all of teh NON PELLET territories.

WM

[AndyDufresne]

It is looking quite spot on, WM. I don't see any graphical improvements that I can suggest. Everything is perfectly themed, even the "Diamonds can attack each other" being horridly unpleasant to eye...fits delightfully.

And the gameplay looks both strategic and fun (I especially like the various combos...and how they are diagramed).

I think those that are wanting more and more territories in maps, will be pleased with this latest map.


--Andy

[mibi]

I dunno WM, it seems like you have taken everything simple and awesome from Pac-man and added a ridiculous amount of complexity. This map has an underlying dichotomy that makes me eyes and brain uneasy.

I'm just throwing that out there, I wont comment any further in its development because it frankly, doesn't suit my proverbial fancy.

[WidowMakers]

OK version 12. with XML
The only thing that needs to be done is the adjusted army bonuses, individual bonuses and the group bonuses.

Once we all have agreement on the bonus values and Coleman gets the coding done, I think this map is done.

XML:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... xml_04.xml
Large:


Small:

[Coleman]

I can get all that bonus work done tonight. I wish we could have a test game somehow first though as it is more code then has been done before and if there are any mistakes with it they will effect games huge.

Maybe just having yeti_c go over my logic after I write it would be enough though.

[WidowMakers]

I can get all that bonus work done tonight. I wish we could have a test game somehow first though as it is more code then has been done before and if there are any mistakes with it they will effect games huge.

Maybe just having yeti_c go over my logic after I write it would be enough though.

Sorry Coleman. I did not mean to imply you were being slow. If you don't get it done tonight that is OK.

I agree with your feeling that several others should look over you XML. Before you write it out maybe you should post your excel file with the bonus progression. That way everyone can see it before it is XMl and maybe find errors.

WM

[yeti_c]

I can get all that bonus work done tonight. I wish we could have a test game somehow first though as it is more code then has been done before and if there are any mistakes with it they will effect games huge.

Maybe just having yeti_c go over my logic after I write it would be enough though.

Dammit - I'll have to get DiM to create me an even more complex map so I can once more be the owner of the biggest XML file!!! AOM is at present the biggest... AOR is a close second though!! (Of course Supermax would've been bigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

C.

[edbeard]

I can get all that bonus work done tonight. I wish we could have a test game somehow first though as it is more code then has been done before and if there are any mistakes with it they will effect games huge.

Maybe just having yeti_c go over my logic after I write it would be enough though.

Sorry Coleman. I did not mean to imply you were being slow. If you don't get it done tonight that is OK. If it is not done by tomorrow at high noon, then we're sending a posse after you.

WM

That's a bit harsh widow.


Anyway to be serious now, I'll do my best to go through the XML at least once when you guys post it up. So, Coleman send me a PM with the link when you post it please.

[Coleman]

Well Here It Is: http://members.cox.net/gyrigo/CC/cman_xml_05.xml

It isn't 100% done because I'm not sure where we are putting neutrals or how much they will be.

Logic:

Code: Select all

Count Have Want Adjust@ Correction
----- ---- ---- ------- ----------
1     3    3            0
2     3    3            0
3     3    3            0
4     3    3            0
5     3    3            0
6     3    3            0
7     3    3            0
8     3    3            0
9     3    3            0
10    3    3            0
11    3    3            0
12    4    4            0
13    4    4            0
14    4    4            0
15    5    5            0
16    5    5            0
17    5    5            0
18    6    6            0
19    6    6            0
20    6    6            0
21    7    7            0
22    7    7            0
23    7    7            0
24    8    8            0
25    8    8            0
26    8    8            0
27    9    9            0
28    9    9            0
29    9    9            0
30    10   10           0
31    10   10           0
32    10   10           0
33    11   10 Hold 33  -1
34    11   11 Hold 34   0
35    11   11           0
36    12   11 Hold 36  -1
37    12   11          -1
38    12   12 Hold 38   0
39    13   12 Hold 39  -1
40    13   12          -1
41    13   12          -1
42    14   13          -1
43    14   13          -1
44    14   13          -1
45    15   13 Hold 45  -2
46    15   14 Hold 46  -1
47    15   14          -1
48    16   14 Hold 48  -2
49    16   14          -2
50    16   15 Hold 50  -1
51    17   15 Hold 51  -2
52    17   15          -2
53    17   15          -2
54    18   16          -2
55    18   16          -2
56    18   16          -2
57    19   16 Hold 57  -3
58    19   17 Hold 58  -2
59    19   17          -2
60    20   17 Hold 60  -3
61    20   17          -3
62    20   17          -3
63    21   17 Hold 63  -4
64    21   17          -4
65    21   18 Hold 65  -3
66    22   18 Hold 66  -4
67    22   18          -4
68    22   18          -4
69    23   18 Hold 69  -5
70    23   19 Hold 70  -4
71    23   19          -4
72    24   19 Hold 72  -5
73    24   19          -5
74    24   19          -5
75    25   20          -5
76    25   20          -5
77    25   20          -5
78    26   20 Hold 78  -6
79    26   20          -6
80    26   21          -5
81    27   21          -6
82    27   21          -6
83    27   21          -6
84    28   21 Hold 84  -7
85    28   22 Hold 85  -6
86    28   22          -6
87    29   22 Hold 87  -7
88    29   22          -7
89    29   22          -7
90    30   23          -7
91    30   23          -7
92    30   23          -7
93    31   23 Hold 93  -8
94    31   23          -8
95    31   24 Hold 95  -7
96    32   24 Hold 96  -8
97    32   24          -8
98    32   24          -8
99    33   24 Hold 99  -9
100   33   25 Hold 100 -8
101   33   25          -8
102   34   25 Hold 102 -9
103   34   25          -9
104   34   25          -9
105   35   25 Hold 105 -10
106   35   26 Hold 106 -9
107   35   26          -9
108   36   26 Hold 108 -10
109   36   26          -10
110   36   26          -10
111   37   26 Hold 111 -11
112   37   27 Hold 112 -10
113   37   27          -10
114   38   27 Hold 114 -11
115   38   27          -11
116   38   27          -11
117   39   27 Hold 117 -12
118   39   28 Hold 118 -11
119   39   28          -11
120   40   28 Hold 120 -12
121   40   28          -12
122   40   28          -12
123   41   28 Hold 123 -13
124   41   29 Hold 124 -12
125   41   29          -12
126   42   29 Hold 126 -13
127   42   29          -13
128   42   29          -13
129   43   29 Hold 129 -14
130   43   30 Hold 130 -13
131   43   30          -13
132   44   30 Hold 132 -14
133   44   30          -14
134   44   30          -14
135   45   30 Hold 135 -15
136   45   31 Hold 136 -14
137   45   31          -14
138   46   31 Hold 138 -15
139   46   31          -15
140   46   31          -15
141   47   31 Hold 141 -16
142   47   32 Hold 142 -15
143   47   32          -15
144   48   32 Hold 144 -16
145   48   32          -16
146   48   32          -16
147   49   32 Hold 147 -17
148   49   33 Hold 148 -16
149   49   33          -16
150   50   33 Hold 150 -17
151   51   33          -17


[yeti_c]

Logic looks bang on (haven't read it fully yet) will double check tomorrow after a strong coffee!!!

C.

[WidowMakers]

WOW that is a lot of XML. Great job Coleman. You are awesome.
As far as it look the variable territory bonus stuff looks great.

OK as far as neutrals go. Here is what Coleman said on page 3

2) I'd suggest 8 on Conquer Man, 6 on cake, 3 on Diamonds, 1 on Aliens.

And I have a question about the XML
If:
+2_Conquer Man
+1_Any Diamond
-1_Any Alien
-3_Conquer Man + any Alien
+5_Conquer Man + Any Alien + same color Diamond

Shouldn't the bonus for Conquer Man and and alien be -3 since there are overrides
&
Conquer Man + Any Alien + same color Diamond should be +3 since there are overrides?

For edited XML
Added Conquer Man to all Alien + Conquer Man overrides
Changed the bonuses to be the same as teh map.

Current XML
<continent>
<name>Conquer Man</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Red Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pink Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Cyan Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Orange Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Red Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Red Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pink Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Cyan Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Orange Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Red Alien</name>
<bonus>-4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Red Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</name>
<bonus>-4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</name>
<bonus>-4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</name>
<bonus>-4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Red Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Red Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Pink Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Orange Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + All Aliens + Diamonds</name>
<bonus>6</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
<override>Red Alien</override>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien + Diamond</override>
</overrides>
</continent>


EDITED XML

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Red Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pink Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Cyan Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Orange Diamond</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Red Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Red Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pink Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Cyan Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Orange Alien</name>
<bonus>-1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Red Alien</name>
<bonus>-3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
<override>Red Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</name>
<bonus>-3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</name>
<bonus>-3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</name>
<bonus>-3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Red Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Red Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Pink Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + Orange Alien + Diamond</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Conquer Man + All Aliens + Diamonds</name>
<bonus>20</bonus>
<components>
<component>Conquer Man</component>
<component>Red Alien</component>
<component>Red Diamond</component>
<component>Pink Alien</component>
<component>Pink Diamond</component>
<component>Cyan Alien</component>
<component>Cyan Diamond</component>
<component>Orange Alien</component>
<component>Orange Diamond</component>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Conquer Man</override>
<override>Red Alien</override>
<override>Pink Alien</override>
<override>Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Red Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Pink Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Cyan Alien + Diamond</override>
<override>Conquer Man + Orange Alien + Diamond</override>
</overrides>
</continent>

[Coleman]

So you are saying that the -3 wipes out the -1 and they aren't additive?

And that if you have all 3 pieces it is 5 and the -3, and the -1 no longer apply?

AND you want the -3 to take out the 2 for Conquer Man!?

[WidowMakers]

So you are saying that the -3 wipes out the -1 and they aren't additive?

And that if you have all 3 pieces it is 5 and the -3, and the -1 no longer apply?

AND you want the -3 to take out the 2 for Conquer Man!?

Yep

Holding Conquer Man alone is worth +2. Then any Alien makes the total -3 ( a 5 army swing, after all the aliens kill Conquer Man without the Diamonds. Then with the Diamonds there is an 8 point swing (for powering up and killing the aliens)

[Coleman]

That actually makes more sense, I have no idea why I thought otherwise.

[yeti_c]

Loving the overriden continents...

This will be a severe test of BOB!!!

C.

[Mr. Gix]

great job guys!! thanks for all the hard work!!!! i have 15 members so far signed up on my usergroup to start a in house toury cant wait =))

[WidowMakers]

So does anyone have any other issues with the current bonuses and neutrals?

Bonuses are on the latest pic and here are the starting neutrals:

8 on Conquer Man, 6 on cake, 3 on Diamonds, 1 on Aliens

[yeti_c]

Conquer Man + Alien + Diamond continents are wrong...

You need to make them override Conquer Man as well.

Else you will get +2 for Conquer Man and then +5 for the alien and diamond (equalling 7 not 5).

C.

[WidowMakers]

Conquer Man + Alien + Diamond continents are wrong...

You need to make them override Conquer Man as well.

Else you will get +2 for Conquer Man and then +5 for the alien and diamond (equalling 7 not 5).

C.

Oops. I missed that.

Does it make sense for Conquer man to be only worth +2 but start out with 8 neutrals? Maybe since he is so important for teh other bonuses. What does anyone else think?

WM

[yeti_c]

Conquer Man + Alien + Diamond continents are wrong...

You need to make them override Conquer Man as well.

Else you will get +2 for Conquer Man and then +5 for the alien and diamond (equalling 7 not 5).

C.

Oops. I missed that.

Does it make sense for Conquer man to be only worth +2 but start out with 8 neutrals? Maybe since he is so important for teh other bonuses. What does anyone else think?

WM

No worries...

Yeah as his overall bonus (+20) is so huge - I reckon it's good...

The only problem is - will people take him?

C.

[Coleman]

We could always make Conquer Man not start neutral. Then people will be fighting over him a lot more.

[WidowMakers]

We could always make Conquer Man not start neutral. Then people will be fighting over him a lot more.

But then someone will start with a bonus.

Maybe make his starting neutrals 3 or 4 instead of 8?

[Coleman]

Well if you're that against it than whatever but someone is going to have an advantage anyway.