Battle of Waterloo [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

Here is a more in depth comment. After looking over this map for several minutes I have more questions than answers.
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I wont get to the graphics at this point tho, save that for another day.

Cheers,
mibi

Thanks Mibi...that is most productive, and extremely helpful.
I'll make changes accordingly and post another version soon in conjunction with other comments above.

[cairnswk]

Artillery is useless in this, i suggest you fix it's role.

...and i suggest you suggest less arrogantly about what to do with the artillery, unriggable.

If you can't offer anything of decent value than to criticise in this commenting role, then please don't bother to comment at all on my maps.
I won't bother to fix anything unless you can come up with a decent suggestion.

Fine. Artillery should be able to bombard all adjacent countries and all countries in the continent. Just saying that since you're the mapmaker you should have sleeves chock-full of ideas.

Thanks unriggable for that suggestion. As there are other ideas from others for the artillery, i will now attempt to list them and maybe we could have a poll on this one.

Unfortunately, sometimes a mapmaker wants to do a map, but can't see the woods for the trees....this is why it is important if you have a suggestion that you think it valid, to offer it up, rather than just say "fix it". Appreciate your suggestion.

[Herakilla]

i personally like the idea of splitting the artillery targets to the side of the middle road they are on and to the other army's countries, not their own

[cairnswk]

i personally like the idea of splitting the artillery targets to the side of the middle road they are on and to the other army's countries, not their own

Herakilla...what about NA1 2 3....where do these attack...or should they be moved.

[Herakilla]

the road im talking about is the one that goes up from rosamme to MSJ

[cairnswk]

the road im talking about is the one that goes up from rosamme to MSJ

yes that's what i am referring to also...so NA2 would bombard the right side fo the map, correct? and NA1 would bombard the left.

[Herakilla]

ya exactly!

[cairnswk]

ya exactly!

OK...i am going to remove the other two roads as they appear to be causing confusion.

[cairnswk]

Other things i will be doing....

1. changing the Commander hats to flags.....flags are more identifiable as a shape.

2. remodelling the vellages and towns.

3. moving all the legend bits and pieces to the top of the map

[Herakilla]

Other things i will be doing....

1. changing the Commander hats to flags.....flags are more identifiable as a shape.

2. remodelling the vellages and towns.

3. moving all the legend bits and pieces to the top of the map

sounds good! i assume you will have more room to work with than b4 because the map itself is moved down?

[cairnswk]

Other things i will be doing....

1. changing the Commander hats to flags.....flags are more identifiable as a shape.

2. remodelling the vellages and towns.

3. moving all the legend bits and pieces to the top of the map

sounds good! i assume you will have more room to work with than b4 because the map itself is moved down?

yes to some extent....all those bits and pices will assemble in one area as suggested by mibi.

[cairnswk]

Well, after mibi's very productive critique, and other suggestions by people, there was an obvious change needed. So here it is....and i am much happier with where this is heading. Thanks everyone for the productive "push".

Changes:
1. Colours.
2. Font...using non Sans Serif for better differentiation 'tween I and 1
3. Villages and Farms defined, named and bonused
4. Artillery and Cavalry defined more for their attacking situation
5. Brussels Road enhanced for artillery bombardments
6. Territory Naming enhanced
7. Photos of Napoleon and Wellington added
8. many terrritories re-boundried
9. crests for Napoleon and Wellington added


To Do:
1. Enhancements, enhancements, enhancements.
2. Buildings to be added to farms and villages
3. A few more impassables to be placed.
4. draw bridge
5. any other stuff

Small


Large

[unriggable]

The actual units need to be better identified.

[yeti_c]

DA3 4 5 -> should be DA 1 2 3...

Still reckon you should drop the range of 4 for artillery and make it bombards opposing troops - the side of the road thing is good tho...

C.

PS - on other notes - I love the new look - This is really taking shape and looking clean and cool... Great work again Cairns.

[Herakilla]

first some compliments!

i like the new layout, you lost that odd outline (i know it was a hat) that really just constricted your map visually and kept it from being what it could

the legend is much more clear now i like it a lot better and i think many will agree with me

its much easier to discern the general area of a commander due to each having their own shade of red or blue, definatly a plus

the flags are a huge improvement over the helmets for commanders

now for more suggestions!

underline 2 in your name explanation, you underline the letter and type of unit but not the number

for the farms maybe you could color them brown with rows of green (remember how farms look on age of empires 1 and 2?)

the hedges on L17 and B11 seem a little wierd, parts of it seem brighter than any other hedge

thats all for now, ill come back when i have some more time

good job cairn!

[cairnswk]

The actual units need to be better identified.

Please explain in more depth what you are thinking unriggable, i am not a mind reader.

[yeti_c]

Also - Wellington and Napoleon should have +2 territory bonuses (or similar) as they are the most important characters...

C.

[cairnswk]

DA3 4 5 -> should be DA 1 2 3...

Still reckon you should drop the range of 4 for artillery and make it bombards opposing troops - the side of the road thing is good tho...

C.

PS - on other notes - I love the new look - This is really taking shape and looking clean and cool... Great work again Cairns.

Thanks yeti_c
1. DA123 fixed fir next version.
2. i'll see about the artillery range and what others have tosay on that also.
3. yes it is taking shape, but i am more of a curve person so this is really hard to get the unit/rectangle thingy design...if you know what i mean. I guess it for me means striking a good balance 'twix the two.

[yeti_c]

3. yes it is taking shape, but i am more of a curve person so this is really hard to get the unit/rectangle thingy design...if you know what i mean. I guess it for me means striking a good balance 'twix the two.

Some times function has to take over form... realising this is the ability of a true designer though...

C.

[cairnswk]

Also - Wellington and Napoleon should have +2 territory bonuses (or similar) as they are the most important characters...

C.

Thanks...some re-arrangement will occur there....i think i am going to have to put all this napoleon terts in as Imperial Guards if you want to have Napoleon and Wellington as +2 bonuses.

[yeti_c]

Also - Wellington and Napoleon should have +2 territory bonuses (or similar) as they are the most important characters...

C.

Thanks...some re-arrangement will occur there....i think i am going to have to put all this napoleon terts in as Imperial Guards if you want to have Napoleon and Wellington as +2 bonuses.

It's upto you my friend... I think it might promote people aiming for these guys and thus promote French vs Britain (plus allies) gameplay?!

The Imperial Guards were his crack troops after all...

C.

[cairnswk]

first some compliments!

i like the new layout, you lost that odd outline (i know it was a hat) that really just constricted your map visually and kept it from being what it could

the legend is much more clear now i like it a lot better and i think many will agree with me

its much easier to discern the general area of a commander due to each having their own shade of red or blue, definatly a plus

the flags are a huge improvement over the helmets for commanders

Thanks Herakilla....glad there are things that please you, of course.

now for more suggestions!

underline 2 in your name explanation, you underline the letter and type of unit but not the number

Done...for next version.

for the farms maybe you could color them brown with rows of green (remember how farms look on age of empires 1 and 2?)

the hedges on L17 and B11 seem a little wierd, parts of it seem brighter than any other hedge

good job cairn!

*yes i was thinking along those lines for the farms...
* hedges on LI7 were aroud the wrong way...fixed.
* yes....there are two shades of hedges being used in the map, that's why some look different and brighter.

[cairnswk]

It's upto you my friend... I think it might promote people aiming for these guys and thus promote French vs Britain (plus allies) gameplay?!

The Imperial Guards were his crack troops after all...
C.

Yes....they were supposed to be....working on changing that now....

[yeti_c]

It's upto you my friend... I think it might promote people aiming for these guys and thus promote French vs Britain (plus allies) gameplay?!

The Imperial Guards were his crack troops after all...
C.

Yes....they were supposed to be....working on changing that now....

Aren't you supposed to be in bed? It must be well early over there?

C.

[cairnswk]

It's upto you my friend... I think it might promote people aiming for these guys and thus promote French vs Britain (plus allies) gameplay?!

The Imperial Guards were his crack troops after all...
C.

Yes....they were supposed to be....working on changing that now....

Aren't you supposed to be in bed? It must be well early over there?

C.

No...i was up until 2AM working on this last night, and got up again at 6:30Am...it is now 8:45AM.
I want to get the majority of this done this weekend if possible as I go back to real work next week.....oh hum!!!