Europa [Quenched]

[gimil]

Nice work benny

Another nice classic gameplay map on the way

wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

BTW: love the map benn

Large isn't part of my criteria for graphics stamp, just small. If you work on a large then I require to see a quick glance at a resized large to determine if the resize will have any major issues.

[MrBenn]

Just a Thought, maybe you could make the sea connections from England to France/Spain not start from the same place. It makes the France one less obvious in my eyes. Maybe a Dover-Calais one for the French one and leave the Spain one as is.

Nice idea... I'll have a look at it

[MrBenn]

Lets see a large image when you've some time.

OK.... here's the small image:


and here's the large:

Click image to enlarge.

[yeti_c]

mac - looks a bit like "imac"!!!

C.

[AndyDufresne]

Final Forge

---The Europa Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. I've revived this thread from the pits of the Foundry Furnace (okay, maybe not) and have examined the contents. Nearly every major concern has been addressed. If there are any other current concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

Post questions and concerns if any.

--Andy

[RjBeals]

Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!

[yeti_c]

Congrats Benny - hope to see this one up soon.

Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!

In europe we spell that "Favourite"!!!!!

C.

[MrBenn]

I got lost for a while... glad to be in the forge though!

I'll get an update together soon

[MrBenn]

Update!

• All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
• Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
• The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
• Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

[MrBenn]

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?

a) ALB - Albania
b) ALB: Albania
c) Albania (ALB)
d) Albania - ALB
e) Albania ALB
f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...

[Skittles!]

I have to agree with the C option

Looking nice, Mr. Benn. :]

[gimil]

It would say option C is your best as well.

For lighter continent I would consider using darker army circles. Just so that there is a bit of contrast between those lighter army numbers, Central Europe, Hellenics, and maybe the baltics and benulux.

[RjBeals]

isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?

[ZeakCytho]

Option C gets my vote too.

[MrBenn]

isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?

It's back a page I think...

[wcaclimbing]

Looking good.
Nice map.

[MrBenn]

Just a quick bump to get the image on the latest page...

Update!

• All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
• Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
• The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
• Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?

a) ALB - Albania
b) ALB: Albania
c) Albania (ALB)
d) Albania - ALB
e) Albania ALB
f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...

[Gilligan]

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?

[ZeakCytho]

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?

Because there was a poll and capitalization lost

[Gilligan]

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?

Because there was a poll and capitalization lost

Really?

They're proper names, though...

[ZeakCytho]

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?

Because there was a poll and capitalization lost

Really?

They're proper names, though...

I know

[Gilligan]

Can I ask why that was even a poll?

[MrBenn]

Can I ask why that was even a poll?

It's an aesthetic thing really... I preferred the look and style of lowercase names, and it had the side effect of making the Balkan region less cluttered.

The XML will be in Proper Case though...

[MrBenn]

XML Update: v2

XML version 1

Here's my first ever attempt at some XML...
I haven't put in any coordinates yet, and the large image size is empty; other than that, I'm hoping I've got all the borders and continents right

XML version 2

Updated the XML using the "Albania (ALB)" syntax for abbreviated country names.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>630</largewidth>
   <largeheight>500</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <name>Italy</name>
       <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
       <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
       <name>Sardinia</name>
       <name>Sicily</name>
       <name>Malta</name>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Faroe Islands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Scotland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norway</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sweden</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Republic of Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>Wales</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wales</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>England</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Portugal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Spain</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portugal</border>
      <border>Gibraltar</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gibraltar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Balearics</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Andorra</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>France</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Monaco</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Monaco</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Corsica</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Monaco</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belgium</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Netherlands (NLD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Luxembourg (LUX)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Switzerland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Liechtenstein (LIE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>San Marino (SMR)</border>
      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sardinia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sicily</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Malta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Slovenia (SVN)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Croatia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Serbia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Montenegro (MNE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Albania (ALB)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Macedonia (MKD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>


</map>


[Thezzaruz]

I agree with option "C", seems to be popular.


But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.