High Seas [Quenched]

[oaktown]

Alright, this map idea has been tried about a dozen times, all with no success. It is the earth, from a fish's perspective. For my attempt I am borrowing much that was learned in Viscount Gort's abandoned attempt, including some territory names and the basic projection of the globe. I invite you to read the discussions on his old map thread:
viewtopic.php?t=12132&start=0

Click image to enlarge.

Basics:
42 total territories, no neutral starts.
Large map: 800pix x 610 pix
Small map: 630x480 pix
No gimmicks or tricky rules - we're going classic gameplay on this one.

Graphics: I was going to go 19th century moby dick, but I seem to have stepped back in time a bit. Now we've gone fully 16th century, with California as an island and Australia as a big lump of terra incognita. The characters in the corners are pulled from an early 16th century engraving by Albrecht Durer.

Note: as I couldn't very well stamp my own map, I deputized EdBeard to oversee the game mechanics stamp on this one. Thanks, Ed.

[Sven Hassel]

do you really want to do a 24 territorie map, water represents 2/3 of the world, you could do a big map on this one because of the multitude of seas?

[Lone.prophet]

this would make a very nice map though maybe make some more territories, bays panama canal and so on

[oaktown]

do you really want to do a 24 territory map, water represents 2/3 of the world, you could do a big map on this one because of the multitude of seas?

my initial idea (based on Viscount Gort's attempt at this) was a standard 42 terit map, with the Atlantic and Pacific split into North and South bonuses, but my sense is that there is demand for another small map.... I could be talked into going either way.

[Lone.prophet]

yeah though 24 is a bit to small i think

[rebelman]

there is a demand for small maps but this merits a bigger map i think

[Balsiefen]

I take it you're planning to get different names than what you've got?

[Tense]

Lake Victoria in South America and Lake Baykal in Russia, you have forgotten!

Perhaps they are too small? - imo no, just make them large enough.

The baltic sea, etc etc. There are lots of names of the part of the atlantic ocean than just the Atl 3. I guess you know that and have written so, somewhere.

[Lone.prophet]

yoou can give the water between england holland and norway "north sea'

[rebelman]

Lake Victoria in South America and Lake Baykal in Russia, you have forgotten!

Perhaps they are too small? - imo no, just make them large enough.

The baltic sea, etc etc. There are lots of names of the part of the atlantic ocean than just the Atl 3. I guess you know that and have written so, somewhere.

assuming seas contain salt water these are the largest:

Order Name Area in sq mi (sq km)
1. Pacific Ocean 60,060,893 (155,557,000)
2. Atlantic Ocean 29,637,974 (76,762,000)
3. Indian Ocean 26,469,620 (68,556,000)
4. Southern Ocean 7,848,299 (20,327,000)
5. Arctic Ocean 5,427,052 (14,056,000)
6. South China Sea 1,148,500 (2,974,600)
7. Caribbean Sea 971,394 (2,515,900)
8. Mediterranean Sea 969,116 (2,510,000)
9. Bering Sea 872,977 (2,261,000)
10. Gulf of Mexico 582,088 (1,507,600)
11. Sea of Okhotsk 537,493 (1,392,100)
12. Sea of Japan/East Sea 391,083 (1,012,900)
13. Hudson Bay 281,893 (730,100)
14. East China Sea 256,372 (664,000)
15. Andaman Sea 218,109 (564,900)
16. Black Sea 196,101 (507,900)
17. Red Sea 174,904 (453,000)
18. Baltic Sea 61,004 (158,000)
19. Caspian Sea 58,735 (152,123)

these are the largest freshwater (lakes) (the caspian sea athough a lake contains salt water hence its inclusion above)

Order Name and location Area in sq mi (sq km)
1. Lake Superior, US/Canada 31,820 (82,413)
2. Lake Victoria, Uganda/Tanzania/Kenya 26,828 (69,484)
3. Lake Huron, US/Canada 23,010 (59,596)
4. Lake Michigan, US 22,400 (58,016)
5. Lake Tanganyika, Tanzania 12,355 (31,999)
6. Lake Baikal, Russia 12,162 (31,499)
7. Great Bear Lake, Canada 12,000 (31,080)
8. Great Slave Lake, Canada 11,170 (28,930)
9. Lake Nyasa, Tanzania/Mozambique/Malawi 10,900 (28,231)
10. Lake Erie, Canada 9,940 (25,744)
11. Winnipeg Lake, Canada 9,094 (23,553)
12. Lake Ontario, US/Canada 7,540 (19,529)

[Lone.prophet]

north sea 222,000 square miles

[oaktown]

the names are temporary - I'd like to settle on map size before I waste time naming things.

In addition to adding territories to the oceans, I was thinking about throwing in some port cities that start neutral. I'd have to settle on a time period (pre-Panama canal, post-Suez?) for the map and figure out what the key ports were in that day.

My idea is to make the ports an alternative source of bonus armies (or in this case navies). Maybe say that you get +1 auto-deployed navy on each port, or +1 navy for every two ports owned. This would off-set the difficulty faced by players who start in the larger regions - Atlantic and Pacific - since the majority of the ports would border the big oceans.

I'm thinking maybe 32 starting territories and ten ports? Or 36 and 6? Something along those lines to bring the total map size to classic level.

[benny profane]

this seems like it can be a great map.
i like the idea of the ports.
but, it feels like this might be better as a large map.

also, as a suggestion, maybe you could consider incorporating actual ocean currents into the gameplay?

[mibi]

the asia-centric aspect doesn't jive with my xenophobic world view.

[yeti_c]

I'd consider putting the split down Middle-East and Indian Ocean... instead America-Asia...

C.