[Official] Germany Revamp

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Subject: Germany Revamp

Updates:

1) Carto Sigs (Hoff, Pepe, WM)
2) Fix mini map Yellow/Brown Border
3) Tweak mini map text outer glows

Large V3

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Small V3

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LARGE V2
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SMALL V2
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6797/g ... mpv09s.png

Latest Update (see pg. 21 for more info):

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About the Revamp:

Hey everybody. More than other maps, revamps like this have certain restrictions on how they are developed. One of the most important of these is that a revamp cannot change the "gameplay" of the map being revamped. Basically, which territories border which other territories and which continents they are contained in must remain the same as in the original map.

Take the dark gray continent Preussen (the red continent Prussia in the old map). If you take a look at the two maps, you can see that each territory on the old map directly corresponds to one territory on the new map. For example, Potsdam on the old map, bordering three territories of other continents and two in its own, is equivalent to Magdeburg on the new map, which has the same border configuration. Dresden on the old map, which borders three territories in its own continent, corresponds to Potsdam on the new map, which also has these borders.

Here are a few more examples to clarify:
Old map's Donrath = New map's Koblenz
Old map's Erfurt = New map's Zwickau
Old map's Augsburg = New map's Bayreuth
Old map's Niedersachsen = New map's Bremen
etc.

In this way, while names have been changed and border shapes have been altered, the gameplay of the map remains identical. So if I want to make the map more accurate, I have to make sure that there are no gameplay changes while I edit it.

If everyone could try and make sure that their suggestions don't break any of these "rules", that would be great

Map Stats:
-# of territories: 42
-# of continents: 6
-Features: Rivers and mountains are impassable, bridges allow attacks over rivers.

Previous Versions:
June 30, Page 20
April 6, Page 20
January 24, Page 18
December 22, Page 16
December 20, Page 15
October 10, Page 15
August 13, Page 13
August 10, Page 12
July 10, Page 10
July 4, Page 9
June 22, Page 8

Stamps:



Current XML (link - http://h1.ripway.com/pepperonibread/Germany.xml):

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<map>

   <title>Germany</title>
   <smallwidth>580</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>508</smallheight>
   <largewidth>685</largewidth>
   <largeheight>600</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

   <continent>
      <name>Bayern</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Coburg</territory>
         <territory>W&#x00FC;rzburg</territory>
         <territory>Bayreuth</territory>
         <territory>N&#x00FC;rnberg</territory>
         <territory>Regensburg</territory>
         <territory>Passau</territory>
         <territory>M&#x00FC;nchen</territory>
         <territory>Rosenheim</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Sachsen-Th&#x00FC;ringen</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Eisenach</territory>
         <territory>Erfurt</territory>
         <territory>Leipzig</territory>
         <territory>Zwickau</territory>
         <territory>Dresden</territory>
         <territory>Chemnitz</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Preussen</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Magdeburg</territory>
         <territory>Potsdam</territory>
         <territory>Schwerin</territory>
         <territory>Berlin</territory>
         <territory>Rostock</territory>
         <territory>R&#x00FC;gen</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Norddeutschland</name>
      <bonus>6</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Braunschweig</territory>
         <territory>Hannover</territory>
         <territory>Gottingen</territory>
         <territory>Osnabr&#x00FC;ck</territory>
         <territory>Bremen</territory>
         <territory>L&#x00FC;beck</territory>
         <territory>Hamburg</territory>
         <territory>Bremerhaven</territory>
         <territory>Kiel</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Baden-W&#x00FC;rttemberg</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Heilbronn</territory>
         <territory>Stuttgart</territory>
         <territory>Karlsruhe</territory>
         <territory>Ulm</territory>
         <territory>Freiburg</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Rheinhessen</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Frankfurt</territory>
         <territory>Mainz</territory>
         <territory>Koblenz</territory>
         <territory>Kassel</territory>
         <territory>M&#x00FC;nster</territory>
         <territory>D&#x00FC;sseldorf</territory>
         <territory>K&#x00F6;ln</territory>
         <territory>Trier</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <territory>
      <name>R&#x00FC;gen</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rostock</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>479</smallx>
         <smally>59</smally>
         <largex>568</largex>
         <largey>66</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Rostock</name>
      <borders>
         <border>R&#x00FC;gen</border>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>447</smallx>
         <smally>83</smally>
         <largex>528</largex>
         <largey>95</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Schwerin</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rostock</border>
         <border>L&#x00FC;beck</border>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
         <border>Berlin</border>
         <border>Potsdam</border>
         <border>Magdeburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>399</smallx>
         <smally>122</smally>
         <largex>472</largex>
         <largey>140</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Berlin</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
         <border>Potsdam</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>516</smallx>
         <smally>204</smally>
         <largex>611</largex>
         <largey>236</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Potsdam</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Berlin</border>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
         <border>Magdeburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>455</smallx>
         <smally>172</smally>
         <largex>539</largex>
         <largey>199</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Magdeburg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
         <border>Potsdam</border>
         <border>Leipzig</border>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>412</smallx>
         <smally>201</smally>
         <largex>488</largex>
         <largey>231</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Dresden</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Chemnitz</border>
         <border>Leipzig</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>547</smallx>
         <smally>269</smally>
         <largex>647</largex>
         <largey>313</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Chemnitz</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Dresden</border>
         <border>Zwickau</border>
         <border>Leipzig</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>469</smallx>
         <smally>296</smally>
         <largex>555</largex>
         <largey>349</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Leipzig</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Dresden</border>
         <border>Zwickau</border>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
         <border>Magdeburg</border>
         <border>Chemnitz</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>471</smallx>
         <smally>270</smally>
         <largex>557</largex>
         <largey>315</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Zwickau</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
         <border>Leipzig</border>
         <border>Chemnitz</border>
         <border>Coburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>448</smallx>
         <smally>307</smally>
         <largex>530</largex>
         <largey>360</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Erfurt</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Leipzig</border>
         <border>Zwickau</border>
         <border>Coburg</border>
         <border>W&#x00FC;rzburg</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
         <border>Eisenach</border>
         <border>Hannover</border>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
         <border>Magdeburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>403</smallx>
         <smally>296</smally>
         <largex>478</largex>
         <largey>345</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Eisenach</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Gottingen</border>
         <border>Hannover</border>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>352</smallx>
         <smally>291</smally>
         <largex>416</largex>
         <largey>341</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Kiel</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Hamburg</border>
         <border>Bremerhaven</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>311</smallx>
         <smally>77</smally>
         <largex>371</largex>
         <largey>87</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Bremerhaven</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kiel</border>
         <border>Bremen</border>
         <border>Osnabr&#x00FC;ck</border>
         <border>Hamburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>237</smallx>
         <smally>127</smally>
         <largex>281</largex>
         <largey>148</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Gottingen</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Osnabr&#x00FC;ck</border>
         <border>Hannover</border>
         <border>Eisenach</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
         <border>Kassel</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>329</smallx>
         <smally>251</smally>
         <largex>388</largex>
         <largey>290</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Hannover</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Gottingen</border>
         <border>Osnabr&#x00FC;ck</border>
         <border>Bremen</border>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
         <border>Eisenach</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>328</smallx>
         <smally>177</smally>
         <largex>387</largex>
         <largey>204</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Braunschweig</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Hannover</border>
         <border>Bremen</border>
         <border>L&#x00FC;beck</border>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
         <border>Magdeburg</border>
         <border>Erfurt</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>383</smallx>
         <smally>154</smally>
         <largex>434</largex>
         <largey>234</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>L&#x00FC;beck</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Schwerin</border>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>356</smallx>
         <smally>85</smally>
         <largex>422</largex>
         <largey>96</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Bremen</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Braunschweig</border>
         <border>Hannover</border>
         <border>Osnabr&#x00FC;ck</border>
         <border>Bremerhaven</border>
         <border>Hamburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>336</smallx>
         <smally>151</smally>
         <largex>397</largex>
         <largey>175</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Hamburg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Bremen</border>
         <border>Kiel</border>
         <border>Bremerhaven</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>323</smallx>
         <smally>123</smally>
         <largex>382</largex>
         <largey>143</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>M&#x00FC;nster</name>
      <borders>
         <border>D&#x00FC;sseldorf</border>
         <border>Kassel</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>210</smallx>
         <smally>216</smally>
         <largex>248</largex>
         <largey>252</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>D&#x00FC;sseldorf</name>
      <borders>
         <border>M&#x00FC;nster</border>
         <border>Kassel</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;ln</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>184</smallx>
         <smally>244</smally>
         <largex>219</largex>
         <largey>285</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>K&#x00F6;ln</name>
      <borders>
         <border>D&#x00FC;sseldorf</border>
         <border>Kassel</border>
         <border>Koblenz</border>
         <border>Trier</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>224</smallx>
         <smally>283</smally>
         <largex>264</largex>
         <largey>331</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Trier</name>
      <borders>
         <border>K&#x00F6;ln</border>
         <border>Koblenz</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>190</smallx>
         <smally>346</smally>
         <largex>224</largex>
         <largey>405</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Koblenz</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Trier</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;ln</border>
         <border>Kassel</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
         <border>Mainz</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>260</smallx>
         <smally>300</smally>
         <largex>307</largex>
         <largey>352</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Mainz</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Koblenz</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
         <border>Heilbronn</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>247</smallx>
         <smally>392</smally>
         <largex>293</largex>
         <largey>457</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Heilbronn</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Mainz</border>
         <border>Frankfurt</border>
         <border>W&#x00FC;rzburg</border>
         <border>N&#x00FC;rnberg</border>
         <border>Stuttgart</border>
         <border>Karlsruhe</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>308</smallx>
         <smally>394</smally>
         <largex>361</largex>
         <largey>462</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Karlsruhe</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Heilbronn</border>
         <border>Stuttgart</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>278</smallx>
         <smally>418</smally>
         <largex>329</largex>
         <largey>489</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Stuttgart</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Karlsruhe</border>
         <border>Heilbronn</border>
         <border>N&#x00FC;rnberg</border>
         <border>Ulm</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>337</smallx>
         <smally>404</smally>
         <largex>398</largex>
         <largey>472</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Ulm</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Freiburg</border>
         <border>M&#x00FC;nchen</border>
         <border>Stuttgart</border>
         <border>N&#x00FC;rnberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>321</smallx>
         <smally>478</smally>
         <largex>380</largex>
         <largey>559</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Rosenheim</name>
      <borders>
         <border>M&#x00FC;nchen</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>433</smallx>
         <smally>485</smally>
         <largex>512</largex>
         <largey>569</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>M&#x00FC;nchen</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rosenheim</border>
         <border>Ulm</border>
         <border>N&#x00FC;rnberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>403</smallx>
         <smally>470</smally>
         <largex>479</largex>
         <largey>550</largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>N&#x00FC;rnberg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Ulm</border>
         <border>Stuttgart</border>
         <border>Heilbronn</border>
         <border>W&#x00FC;rzburg</border>
         <border>Bayreuth</border>
         <border>Regensburg</border>
         <border>M&#x00FC;nchen</border>
      </borders>
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Original Post:

Happy Easter everybody

Like gimil said in the revamps thread, I'm going to be doing the revamp of the Germany map. There are a few main things I've changed (the gameplay is still the same, of course):
-Terit. name changes. Doing some research, I came up with names I think are more accurate for the regions they represent. I'm not German, though, so any suggestions for better names are welcome.
-Border changes. To leave the gameplay unchanged, which countries attack which other countries remain the same, but the shapes of many borders have changed to better fit with the new names and the districts of Germany, shown in this map. Again, suggestions by Germans or anybody more knowledgeable than me are appreciated.
-The graphics, of course, and whatever I've forgotten to mention.

So, here it is:

Click image to enlarge.

And with possible army number placement:

Click image to enlarge.

Last, here's the permission that Hoff, the original mapmaker, gave me:

Hey thanks for contacting me. Glad CC is still going strong. I try to come back every now and then but I can't get in the habit of playing like I once did. Whatever you wish to do with the Germany map is fine with me, always for improvements. Just make it good! haha, ok good luck.

-Hoff

Hope you guys like it

[DiM]

2 things strike me at a glance.

1. the map is unnecessarily big. you have loads of unused space that can be cut. remember you don't have to make the map at the maximum size unless you really need the space, and you don't.
2. it hurts my eyes a bit. either the colours are a tad too strong, the terit textures are too prominent or i'm simply too tired.

other than that i like the feel of the map

[pepperonibread]

2 things strike me at a glance.

1. the map is unnecessarily big. you have loads of unused space that can be cut. remember you don't have to make the map at the maximum size unless you really need the space, and you don't.
2. it hurts my eyes a bit. either the colours are a tad too strong, the terit textures are too prominent or i'm simply too tired.

other than that i like the feel of the map

You're talking about width, right? I'll see what I can move around. Thanks for the comments.

[DiM]

2 things strike me at a glance.

1. the map is unnecessarily big. you have loads of unused space that can be cut. remember you don't have to make the map at the maximum size unless you really need the space, and you don't.
2. it hurts my eyes a bit. either the colours are a tad too strong, the terit textures are too prominent or i'm simply too tired.

other than that i like the feel of the map

You're talking about width, right? I'll see what I can move around. Thanks for the comments.

yes i'm talking about the width. you have it at 800px and yet the playable area is max 500 px. i thnk it can be easily reduced at least 150 px.
and the simplest way would be to move the title and the legend on the same side.

imagine the title above the brandenburg gate and then cutting belgium and holland.

[edbeard]

I agree with DiM on the width. Move the title to the right side and chop off the left.


I like the colours and I don't think it's too strong. I like the 'Great Lakes flags' route you took.

[cairnswk]

I agree with DiM on the width. Move the title to the right side and chop off the left.


I like the colours and I don't think it's too strong. I like the 'Great Lakes flags' route you took.

I agree about the width...of course this is the large version i take it.
Some could come off both the right and left.

The font is excellent...i've seen that before this morning.

The colours are strong, i don't overly object to them, but if others feel they can be toned down, i will also support that.

What an excellent idea to put this up as an re-vamp.
Could you mentioned in the title: Revamp (or some similar wording) by pepperonibread

[Unit_2]

Nice job, its very good, but I see one problem, the yellow just doesn't fit the map, its blend with the other colors and the brown back-ground just don't work, it kinda hurt my eyes abit.

[Silvanus]

Hey, good idea to do this revamp!

First of all, I like the design of the map, the colors are nice, everything is clear and can be well distinguished even on my old laptop with color problems.
However it would be nice if the background of the regions could be a bit more transparent such that the number of armies can be seen more clearly.


But the map suffers from the same problems than the current one: it is a mixture between Germany somewhere in the 19th century and during the cold war, everything bundled into the borders of todays Germany.
Some details:
* Prussia does'nt exist anymore till 1947
* East and West Germany are terms of the cold war and were used from about 1960 till 1990. If you mean geographically west and east then its nonsense that Halle (located in Sachsen-Anhalt) belongs to Western Germany and Fulda, which in fact is in Hessen, belongs to Eastern Germany. And even on the map you can see that Fulda is far more in the west like Halle ....

My main question is here: should it be a historical map? Or do you want to create a map of todays Germany? No matter which version we choose it should be only one of both. Right now it justs looks very strange to German eyes.
If you need help where the cities and regions really are just let me know, I try to explain it then. Here is a bilingual map of the different Bundesländer (states) in Germany

Another thing: the regions often have the name of cities or capitals. The correct name for the area around Kiel is Schleswig, around Hamburg it's Holstein and so on.

Last but not least: very nice that you've put umlauts in the names. German without umlauts is horrible
The last missing things about umlauts:
* its Düsseldorf, not Dusseldorf (that would sound very funny to German ears, something like fool's village )
* Cologne is Köln in German
* Nuremberg is Nürnberg
* and Munich is München


overall good job so far, go on!

[Wisse]

wow nice its already much better, the witdh isn't a problem for me, actually i kind of like it
but a problem, the pictures in the continents are distracting, you would see the terretories much easier without them also maybe town down the colours like some others said

also "Niederlande" (the netherlands) must be "die Niederlanden" im am not german but dutch and learned that it must be that way

the country east to german doesn't have a name and the country names south (and souteast) of it are below the legend
also the name france isn't readable

Edit:
I also did a reasearch for the continent you called rheinland because the rhein is the river north of the river where that continent is i found it was the wrong name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland

so these are the actuall regions that are called rheinland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland-Palatinate

[cicero]

Not just relevant to this thread, but to other revamp threads.
Could you include the existing, pre-revamp version of the map within the first post?

It would make comparison and contrast more straightforward.

Thanks


Cicero

[Wisse]

Not just relevant to this thread, but to other revamp threads.
Could you include the existing, pre-revamp version of the map within the first post?

It would make comparison and contrast more straightforward.

Thanks


Cicero

http://www.conquerclub.com/maps/Germany.L.jpg

[lanyards]

I died when I saw those rivers pep.

But I don't like those almost vertical text, mabye let them cross the borders but give the territ names a glow.

--lanyards

[Wisse]

I died when I saw those rivers pep.

But I don't like those almost vertical text, mabye let them cross the borders but give the territ names a glow.

--lanyards

won't work, would be to confused to long names for to tiny territories

[pepperonibread]

Hey, good idea to do this revamp!

First of all, I like the design of the map, the colors are nice, everything is clear and can be well distinguished even on my old laptop with color problems.
However it would be nice if the background of the regions could be a bit more transparent such that the number of armies can be seen more clearly.

Can do. Based on the other comments, I'll probably tone the colors down slightly and the background images too.

But the map suffers from the same problems than the current one: it is a mixture between Germany somewhere in the 19th century and during the cold war, everything bundled into the borders of todays Germany.
Some details:
* Prussia does'nt exist anymore till 1947
* East and West Germany are terms of the cold war and were used from about 1960 till 1990. If you mean geographically west and east then its nonsense that Halle (located in Sachsen-Anhalt) belongs to Western Germany and Fulda, which in fact is in Hessen, belongs to Eastern Germany. And even on the map you can see that Fulda is far more in the west like Halle ....

My main question is here: should it be a historical map? Or do you want to create a map of todays Germany? No matter which version we choose it should be only one of both. Right now it justs looks very strange to German eyes.
If you need help where the cities and regions really are just let me know, I try to explain it then. Here is a bilingual map of the different Bundesländer (states) in Germany

I'm going to be going with a current map, as I think that's what the original author was going for. Anyway, it seems like your biggest problem with the map is the continents and how they are named. Are you saying I should name them by the states of Germany? Since it's a revamp, I'm not allowed to actually change how many territories the continents have or how they border other continents (no gameplay changes). So I think I'll need to name the regions in the map as the states they are most a part. This would yield changing "Rheinland" to Baden-Württemberg, "West Germany" to Niedersachsen, and other changes. Some states would be broken up, others combined, but it seems like the best option while staying within the constraints of a revamp (unless anyone has better suggestions, such as cultural regions, etc.). Hope I answered clearly enough.

Another thing: the regions often have the name of cities or capitals. The correct name for the area around Kiel is Schleswig, around Hamburg it's Holstein and so on.

The reason I chose these cities is because they have greater populations than any other city in their area. Should this be changed? I'd just like clarification here, as I assumed large German cities like Hamburg would need to be in the map

Last but not least: very nice that you've put umlauts in the names. German without umlauts is horrible
The last missing things about umlauts:
* its Düsseldorf, not Dusseldorf (that would sound very funny to German ears, something like fool's village )
* Cologne is Köln in German
* Nuremberg is Nürnberg
* and Munich is München

overall good job so far, go on!

I can't believe I've forgotten my umlauts! These will all be fixed in the revision.
Thanks for the comments

[I GOT SERVED]

Great start, to say the least. I'm really glad that someone took this up, as I love the Germany map, but the graphics turned me off for quite some time. A few things I noticed:

1) The yellow is waaaay too prominent. Tone it down a bit, or just swap out the color.

2) The dead land mass surrounding Germany seems too glossy. They take my eyes off the map. So maybe tone that down a bit.

3) I like the transparent flags a la Great Lakes. Adds a nice touch. Same for the font. Very old school Germany.

[AndyDufresne]

I'm happy to see it isn't a Hovering Map...I've always hated those! I and some others tried to convince Hoff to move away from the Hover...but it was to no avail!


--Andy

[Wisse]

I'm happy to see it isn't a Hovering Map...I've always hated those! I and some others tried to convince Hoff to move away from the Hover...but it was to no avail!


--Andy

with hover you mean like its floating above the unplayable land?
this is a hover map then, there is a little bit shade

[AndyDufresne]

Hovering = Unanchored to any land
(This map is at least surrounded by land in context)


--Andy

[Wisse]

Hovering = Unanchored to any land
(This map is at least surrounded by land in context)


--Andy

ah ok, yeah i kind of dislike that too

[Hoff]

I'm happy to see it isn't a Hovering Map...I've always hated those! I and some others tried to convince Hoff to move away from the Hover...but it was to no avail!


--Andy

hovering maps aren't that bad haha
but awesome job it definitely looks better, great job. I'll have to have a return sometime soon and give it a whirl, even though I've always done bad on the map lol.

[AndyDufresne]

Good to see you back.


--Andy

[pepperonibread]

Agreed. Glad you like the map

[Wisse]

I'm happy to see it isn't a Hovering Map...I've always hated those! I and some others tried to convince Hoff to move away from the Hover...but it was to no avail!


--Andy

hovering maps aren't that bad haha
but awesome job it definitely looks better, great job. I'll have to have a return sometime soon and give it a whirl, even though I've always done bad on the map lol.

you are back! wohoo finally some artist who did re-appear

[MeDeFe]

One thing, if you put Münster, Düsseldorf, Köln and Bonn in Hessen, I'll come to your house and rape you with a pumpkin, a cucumber won't suffice. In more friendly terms, you really need to clean up the "continents". Silvanus gave you a good map, make the most of it.

[gimil]

Theres your official mark of approval