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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby ender516 on Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:36 pm

dolomite13 is right. A killer neutral only resets when the player holding it starts a new turn. If a killer neutral is bombarded until the holding player's troops are annihilated, then it will remain with one neutral troop until someone attacks and captures it. It can then be captured by someone else any number of times but will reset when and only when the player holding it starts a new turn.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby dolomite13 on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:35 pm

I wold consider this map near the end of beta however I have noticed a few games taking very long to complete when "no spoils" "nuclear" or even "flat rate" are selected ... has anyone else noticed this and do you have any suggestions how to maybe fix that?

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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby ender516 on Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:03 pm

Is that really something that needs to be fixed? I think people who play those settings must be accustomed to long games. Are these games on this map running a lot longer than games with similar settings on similar sized maps?
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby dolomite13 on Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:21 pm

ender516 wrote:Is that really something that needs to be fixed? I think people who play those settings must be accustomed to long games. Are these games on this map running a lot longer than games with similar settings on similar sized maps?
Nope it doesnt need to be fixed was just wondering how bad it seemed ... if its really really bad then maybe but i'm of the opinion its fine
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby Dako on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:51 am

It is normal, such games are hard to win and people scarcely attack. So no wonder it takes so long to finish them.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby Blitzaholic on Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:25 pm

dolomite13 wrote: I have noticed a few games taking very long to complete when "no spoils" "nuclear" or even "flat rate" are selected ... has anyone else noticed this and do you have any suggestions how to maybe fix that?

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yes, the games do take much longer than usual. Perhaps make the bonus's slightly worth more.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby dolomite13 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:38 am

I think the bonuses we have and the gameplay are where I like them right now
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby MrBenn on Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:27 pm

Well, it's been (almost) a week with no further complaints or criticisms...
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby MrBenn on Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:29 pm

              Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Monsters Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations dolomite13, your shiny new medal is well-earned =D>


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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] = Database Entry Completed

Postby dolomite13 on Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:01 pm

MrBenn wrote:
              Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Monsters Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations dolomite13, your shiny new medal is well-earned =D>


Conquer Club, enjoy!
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Woo Hoo ... Sep 25, 2008 - August 18th 2010 ... almost 1 year and 11 months from the first post the Monsters have been let loose on the unsuspecting Conquer Club community!!!!

Enjoy Everyone =)

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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby ender516 on Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:15 pm

I think they might be beginning to suspect by now ... ;)
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby natty dread on Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:41 pm

Congrats =D>
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby Dako on Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:38 am

Very nice, congratz!
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby greenoaks on Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:17 am

In Game 7322179 shouldn't the shield for the Wizard Brago reset to 8 ?

It has been 4 for a long time now.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby natty dread on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:38 am

Killer neutrals only reset when a player holds them.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby greenoaks on Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:52 am

so if i want it to reset to 8 i need to knock off those 4

edit: i just took another look at the map. no mention of them being killer neutrals. the map says

Shields
Reset to 8 every turn


but they are not resetting like the map instructions say they will
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Postby natty dread on Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:57 am

That's how killer neutrals always work. They reset at the beginning of the turn of the player holding them. If nobody holds them obviously they do not reset.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby ender516 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:42 pm

Unfortunately, this is not obvious to someone unfamiliar with the way killer neutrals work on CC. The legend should perhaps say, "When held, reset to 8 every turn". And we can't even point to the Instructions as I don't think they explain this sort of thing at all, unlike objectives, which are another feature perennially confusing to novices, but which do have a mention on the Gameplay Notes tab of the Instructions page. We regulars in the Map Foundry get so accustomed to the way these features work, we can forget that not everyone knows how these features are implemented. Really, if you don't take the time to think through the implications for fairness, it is easy to imagine that killer neutrals could reset every round even when not held by a player.
Rather than propose a revamp on all the maps that do not make this clear, perhaps we should suggest an update to the instructions which explains the killer neutral feature in detail.
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Postby greenoaks on Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:59 pm

i do not visit the foundry so yes, a clearer explanation for the other 99% of CC'ers would be great

as it is now, the map is broken or the legend is poor

edit: is this going to be fixed ?
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Postby greenoaks on Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:41 am

greenoaks wrote:i do not visit the foundry so yes, a clearer explanation for the other 99% of CC'ers would be great

as it is now, the map is broken or the legend is poor

edit: is this going to be fixed ?

is anything going to be done to fix this ?
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby drunkmonkey on Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:32 am

greenoaks wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i do not visit the foundry so yes, a clearer explanation for the other 99% of CC'ers would be great

as it is now, the map is broken or the legend is poor

edit: is this going to be fixed ?

is anything going to be done to fix this ?


Since the map has been quenched for 2 months without complaint, I'd say 99% of CC'ers "get it". Dawn of Ages & Das Schloss have the same type of wording...if this has to be changed, we need to look at every map with killer neutrals. I don't see it necessary.
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Re: Monsters! [D,GP,GR,XML,BETA] - QUENCHED!

Postby greenoaks on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:26 am

drunkmonkey wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i do not visit the foundry so yes, a clearer explanation for the other 99% of CC'ers would be great

as it is now, the map is broken or the legend is poor

edit: is this going to be fixed ?

is anything going to be done to fix this ?


Since the map has been quenched for 2 months without complaint, I'd say 99% of CC'ers "get it". ...if Dawn of Ages & Das Schloss have the same type of wording this has to be changed, we need to look at every map with killer neutrals. I don't see it necessary.

then every map with so called 'killer neutrals' is flawed

nowhere on the map does it mention it is a killer neutral terit so i am not prompted to look at the Instructions tab to find out what these killer neutrals are.

this map is flawed and was prematurely quenched

drunkmonkey wrote:if Dawn of Ages & Das Schloss have the same type of wording this has to be changed, we need to look at every map with killer neutrals. I don't see it necessary.

i have never seen a map say they contain a "killer neutral"

what is a "killer neutral" ?

show me where it is explained to the general public in the "Instructions" tab (or in the map legend) what a "killer neutral" is
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Postby ender516 on Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:34 pm

Sadly, the Instructions are lacking in this area, but rest assured, work is in progress to update them and make this and many other features of CC more clear.
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Postby MrBenn on Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:40 am

ender516 wrote:Sadly, the Instructions are lacking in this area, but rest assured, work is in progress to update them and make this and many other features of CC more clear.

Yes; we're actively working on improving the gameplay instructions. Hopefully there will also be some other behind-the-scenes changes to make it easier to pick up on map-specific instructions too ;-)
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Postby TaCktiX on Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:32 pm

I'm going to lodge a complaint about misleading wording for the "Mind Blast" powerstone ability. The legend says "assaults", which I rightly interpret to mean "can conquer and advance troops to." Well no, you can't do that, it's a bombard. I likely just lost a Doubles match because of this bad terminology.
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