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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Masli on Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:10 am

jbrettlip wrote:What if the whole system was changed? Make a tab that says "report a user". Then that page would pull up a form (like the report a post form) with drop down menus. That would eliminate posts that do not follow formats, are hard to read, or are just complete nonsense.


What about if you report someone, the topic gets an automatic lock untill a mod takes a look at it first, and unlocks it when they are looking into it.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:17 am

Masli wrote:
jbrettlip wrote:What if the whole system was changed? Make a tab that says "report a user". Then that page would pull up a form (like the report a post form) with drop down menus. That would eliminate posts that do not follow formats, are hard to read, or are just complete nonsense.


What about if you report someone, the topic gets an automatic lock untill a mod takes a look at it first, and unlocks it when they are looking into it.

well open for abuse...
heck id go locking topics for shits and giggles
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Masli on Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:19 am

then you don't get my point. You don't lock it yourself. When you make a topic in cheating and abuse it would be locked autmaticly
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:21 am

Masli wrote:then you don't get my point. You don't lock it yourself. When you make a topic in cheating and abuse it would be locked autmaticly

oh so it was actually locked as you made the report..
well i dont think php can do that..as far as im aware..
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Kotaro on Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:17 pm

Masli wrote:
What about if you report someone, the topic gets an automatic lock untill a mod takes a look at it first, and unlocks it when they are looking into it.


How about, lets say, the forum can't be posted in except when starting new topics, unless you are an admin or multi hunter? Half the damn posts in C&A are spam from people trying to get their post counts up and flame others/troll.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby jefjef on Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:48 pm

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jefjef wrote:It will reduce the spam that I & others feel necessary to post in re of them.

You just said it will improve CC because you lack self control?
jefjef wrote:I realize E-Tickets are an option for a complaint but they don't seem to be the preferred path chosen by most complainers.

Can you really know how many E-Tickets the hunters/mods deal with daily? Given the small % of members who read the forum I find it hard to believe that E-Tickets would not be preferred by most members.

Well MrMoody. I have never filed a frivolous complaint and have had one filed against me. Yes I post some crap on occasion (as do many many others) when there is crap posted. But I have not been warned or asked by any C C mods to not post. But if you look at a lot of my posts they do actually contribute. Look at BrowningM1919_46 multi for example. Managed to connect & drag out several more. Do you not think that if there was less garbage posted that less would be posted in re of said garbage? Heck maybe C C should ban all posting in C & A thread with the exception of the complainant and the accused and of course the hunters.The draw back to that of course is that we do some of the foot work to make or break the case. So back to the original idea. An approval system.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:06 pm

Looking at phpBB's current feature abilities, there are a few options we could look into.

Option A: Users can create new topics, pending approval by C&A Moderator, but no users can further reply to topics.

Option B: Users can create new topics, pending approval by C&A Moderator, and all replies must be approved as well.

Option C: Stick with the Current Method.

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Option B would require quite a fair amount of work, for a Moderator to read through all new posts in the C&A and determine if they are relevant. This is probably too much work, and may also lead to further unrest of "why has his post allowed but not mine?"

Option A would require less work, on account there many less topics started in the Cheating and Abuse Forum than the sum total of replies. However, it takes away users posting replies (which may or may not be a good thing).

Option C requires a fair amount of work as well, because Moderators have to sift through a degree of garbage, spam, off topicing, but it currently gives more freedom than Option A or Option B.

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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Kotaro on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:10 pm

Option A.

Less work for the moderators. Less spam from people simply posting to get their counts up, or just doing the old bullshit reply of "yup, he's busted", which adds nothing to the accusation. If people want to add something that they believe is relevant, they simply PM one of the hunters, and offer up their information.

Option B is too much time and effort. And Option C allows for the crap that C&A has turned into.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby clapper011 on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:12 pm

possibly, if there were a way to limit reports by for example severity, or a minimum requirement? or information needed , before it will even allow a report to be posted and approved by a c&a moderator?
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby AAFitz on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:12 pm

Well A is the easiest, but it allows accusations to essentially go unanswered, and though screened, may be unfair to the accused. It would probably make the hunters job a little harder at times, because in many cases further info actually is presented by other players...perhaps too much, but certainly its often helpful I would think

B at least allows for answers to threads, but will require some time. However, one would think that if there was a screening process, that most of the spam would be eliminated. Certainly those adding spam would be warned immediately, and would never get to see the spam in the first place, so I would think most would be eliminated quickly...

C. Same as above really, but its just hard to say how many would respect the no spamming. I would think that just the act of knowing there was a screen would mean that most self screened their posts. And those that abused it, would be immediately identifiable.

Ill bet youll need another mod, perhaps dedicated to this one project alone if not two.

Option D. Ask everyone to use better judgment in their posts.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Kotaro on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:13 pm

Option D, unless backed up by use of force by the moderators, would never work. Have you met JefJef or Colton24?
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:15 pm

clapper011 wrote:possibly, if there were a way to limit reports by for example severity, or a minimum requirement? or information needed , before it will even allow a report to be posted and approved by a c&a moderator?

Sometimes hunches are all people have to go on, and we investigate them as we would someone with loads of evidence. I think the current requirements of filling out the form, probably fits the minimum requirement for information needed.


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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Woodruff on Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:13 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
clapper011 wrote:possibly, if there were a way to limit reports by for example severity, or a minimum requirement? or information needed , before it will even allow a report to be posted and approved by a c&a moderator?

Sometimes hunches are all people have to go on, and we investigate them as we would someone with loads of evidence. I think the current requirements of filling out the form, probably fits the minimum requirement for information needed.


This sort of goes back to the idea of a form being forced on those submitting a C&A complaint. I think that would, if nothing else, help the multi-hunters get through the information in an easier fashion.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby lancehoch on Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:44 pm

Kotaro wrote:Option A.

Less work for the moderators. Less spam from people simply posting to get their counts up, or just doing the old bullshit reply of "yup, he's busted", which adds nothing to the accusation. If people want to add something that they believe is relevant, they simply PM one of the hunters, and offer up their information.

Or you could PM the person who created the thread and have them edit their post.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Kotaro on Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:51 pm

lancehoch wrote:Or you could PM the person who created the thread and have them edit their post.


That to. The point is, if anything relevent needs to be added, there are mh's and the original poster can add to it. This will exclude all that other BS posting that has turned C&A into a cesspool for vengeful little kids to spam and troll others they don't like, and post irrelevant mentions of other threads or happenings that need not be added and only waste the readers time, as well as TeamCC's
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:53 pm

AAFitz wrote:Option D. Ask everyone to use better judgment in their posts.


And give forum vacations to those who post complaints about 1 bad rating or 1 f-bomb in game chat.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby jefjef on Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:16 pm

Kotaro wrote:Option A.

Less work for the moderators. Less spam from people simply posting to get their counts up, or just doing the old bullshit reply of "yup, he's busted", which adds nothing to the accusation. If people want to add something that they believe is relevant, they simply PM one of the hunters, and offer up their information.

Option B is too much time and effort. And Option C allows for the crap that C&A has turned into.

I find myself in agreement with option A & Kotaro. I would add that once a post is made that a hunter/MOD posts soon with it to inform who is handling it so they may be contacted with relevant information.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby colton24 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:06 am

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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby owenshooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:22 am

Night Strike wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Option D. Ask everyone to use better judgment in their posts.


And give forum vacations to those who post complaints about 1 bad rating or 1 f-bomb in game chat.

anyone seeing a pattern developing here? member gives a great suggestion/sage advice. mod jumps in with "BAN THEM!!"... the new resolution around here is to toss people for anything... why not extend it to a perma-ban, NS? some people wander into the C&A and have limited knowledge of the forums or that specific forum. sure, you have people that abuse the forum, but that isn't a majority. and to some people, when they are wronged with all 1 ratings, it is abuse to them. why? they don't know that a pattern of abuse is required for a judgement. so, why not try to help people instead of ban people? oh, i forgot, that is the simplest solution around here... king and lance do a great job in C&A, i am sure they have a clearer understanding of what would make that forum run smoother, so i defer to them out of respect...-0

p.s.-nice post AAFitz
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:12 pm

Additional thoughts on procedure, and the options presented?


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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Kotaro on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:36 pm

One last additional thought;

If you're going to do this, do it damn soon.
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Night Strike on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:01 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Option D. Ask everyone to use better judgment in their posts.


And give forum vacations to those who post complaints about 1 bad rating or 1 f-bomb in game chat.

anyone seeing a pattern developing here? member gives a great suggestion/sage advice. mod jumps in with "BAN THEM!!"... the new resolution around here is to toss people for anything... why not extend it to a perma-ban, NS? some people wander into the C&A and have limited knowledge of the forums or that specific forum. sure, you have people that abuse the forum, but that isn't a majority. and to some people, when they are wronged with all 1 ratings, it is abuse to them. why? they don't know that a pattern of abuse is required for a judgement. so, why not try to help people instead of ban people? oh, i forgot, that is the simplest solution around here... king and lance do a great job in C&A, i am sure they have a clearer understanding of what would make that forum run smoother, so i defer to them out of respect...-0

p.s.-nice post AAFitz


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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby owenshooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:15 pm

Night Strike wrote:owen.......it was sarcasm.

damn you!!!! you got me!!!! then i rescind my above statement, but shall leave it so i can look like the total ass that i was... however, NS, you could have given me this little nugget in a "p.s.", since we both know how much you love those... damn you!!!!-0

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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby owenshooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:16 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Additional thoughts on procedure, and the options presented?

i would be most interested in what king and lance think about this subject before anything is changed...-0
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Re: Cheat & Abuse complaint approval

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:27 pm

owenshooter wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Additional thoughts on procedure, and the options presented?

i would be most interested in what king and lance think about this subject before anything is changed...-0


I would definitely agree with that.
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