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Postby dugcarr1 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:48 am

people could not see your name score or rank while playing.

have this as an option only .....i think this would be pretty fun,,,,and bring a few people outa the snob leages,,,


maybe ajust the points for these as well...


any ideas on making this a reality guys???

i didnt think this through all the way ,, so u haters could tweak it for me.
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Postby Ronaldinho on Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:08 am

Could try this on a tourny... but hide there names aswel then you dont have a clue who your playing until the end when you get the results and the person who oganised it posts all the games...
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Postby dugcarr1 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:35 am

thats a good idea sir.... run it by huge ER


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Postby john123 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:35 am

i like it, not the tourney so much but an option to hide who you are playing
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Postby qeee1 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:43 am

As do I, (the original idea that is) it'd be useful in terminator games. Means you wouldn't instantly be a target for being a major or colonel or whatever.
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Postby Selin on Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:06 am

very interesting as an option
lets make a poll for that. i dont know it will be hard or easy to implement this feature, but i would like to play such games
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:37 pm

Hm, so some sort of 'Stealth' option, perhaps selectable in your profile...or when you join/create games.

Could list those who are currently in 'Stealth' as <User 2>, etc.


I think this would be an interesting setting for Terminator games at least...give everyone a fair shot. I personally would actually like to see it for terminator games at least, and perhaps as a tourney option, but not for all.

We'll have to see if it is possible.


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Postby AK_iceman on Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:55 pm

I think it's a good idea, but only for terminator games.

A tourny with it.... eh. :?
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Postby Ronaldinho on Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:02 pm

AK_iceman wrote:I think it's a good idea, but only for terminator games.

A tourny with it.... eh. :?





terminator tourny? :D
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Postby Evil Semp on Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:58 pm

Hey duggie most people would know who you were once you typed in the game chat. You have your own style in the chat.
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Postby vic on Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:23 pm

good Idea, I'm sick of being targetted... I'm not too big on the whole points thing either...
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Postby dugcarr1 on Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:47 pm

ya the point system sucks,,,, but this would help some of them systems not the root of the problem,,,,

but better then a kick in the groin though eh?



and as fo my chat,,, id have to get the old old ladie to decode it for me.



ie....i would say,,, go f*ck yourself asspirate and learn how to play!

she would type.... excuse me sir. Would you like some help or tips on strategy ? If you would let me know and I would be glad to help you.
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Postby sfhbballnut on Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:52 pm

this will be sweet, something about higher ranks is intimidating and can alter your strategy in respect to them, but this cancels that out. I like it
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Postby misscrystal on Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:02 am

dugcarr1 wrote:
and as fo my chat,,, id have to get the old old ladie to decode it for me.



ie....i would say,,, go f*ck yourself asspirate and learn how to play!

she would type.... excuse me sir. Would you like some help or tips on strategy ? If you would let me know and I would be glad to help you.



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Suggestion: Random/Anonymous Games

Postby Knight2254 on Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:05 pm

Forgive me if this has been suggested before, but I searched through the archives and found no evidence of this type of discussion.

So, my suggestion, is Random Games.

Random Games would involve joining a game anonymously and not knowing who your allies or opponents are potentially until the game was over. Players would be anonymously matched based on skill level. This would cut down on the team games where the top players just group together and beat up on everybody else.

Some code may have to be written to properly match teams.

Your thoughts?
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Postby soundout9 on Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:09 pm

This is kinda like players just playing with there own skill level so noobs with noobs and high rank with high rank. Lack doesn't want that so i say no.
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"Blindfold" or "Fog-of-Player"

Postby bbqpenguin on Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:53 pm

option for Fog-of-Player games

Specifics:
well it is exactly what is sounds like; similar to fog of war, where nonadjacent terries are unknown to the player. instead, the player name, rank, feedback, and any other information that could give away his or her identity is hidden. every player would simply be known as a color, such as pink, red, etc. (specifics would have to be worked out to deal with those epic teal vs. cyan debates). like FOW game, anonymity would be lifted at the end of the game and the identities of the players revealed.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • this idea was actually inspired by this thread.http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49668&start=15. it was noticed that in some games, especially terminator games, high-ranked players were specifically preyed upon because of the high reward for eliminating them. hiding the identities of the players makes everyone an even target
  • this could also be an interesting add-on for non-terminator games, potentially changing gameplay. if for nothing else, it's just "something new" and could change diplomacy and they way people plan and execute their strategies in a given game
  • could decrease high vs low-rank disparity in team games; you never know if you'll be on a team with the conquerer or a coupla cooks-or both
  • as tim says below, it would also prevent higher ranked players from specifically targeting lower ranked player in order to minimize their point losses in standard games
  • as bob points out, this could also be useful as an option in tourneys with multiple clans in them, to avoid ganging up on whichever clan happens to be winning (conversly, ganging up could be encouraged simply by not including FOP)

p.s. i will from now on use "FOP" in my posts to represent this idea, at least until something more clever comes up




Problems and Solutions:
  • it would be conceivably possible to ascertain a person rank by how many points he/she gets when eliminating another player solutions: do not reward points until the end of the game, or keep the points gained hidden from all except the player who gets them
  • even though it wouldn't necessarily be easier or harder to cheat in a FOP game, it might be harder for other casual players to spot people who do cheat solutions: ????


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Game is joined, starts and is played anonymously. The only time you find out who you were playing against is after the game is over

Specifics/Details:

-Players would be listed as Player1, Player2, Player3, etc., respective to when they joined.
-There would be no way to tell which player was which until the game was completely over.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

Would be a fun way to play a game with a group of players and no one would know rank/identity so there would be no prejudice during the game against higher ranked players, people you don't like, new recruits, friends etc..
I feel this would add an extra element to games in that you could not assume anything about any of the other players since it would be completely anonymous. I'm sure there are holes in this idea since I haven't tried to find any and just thought of it but I feel it is at least worth investigating?
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby Ogrecrusher on Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:55 pm

I love the idea in principle, not sure if it's workable though.
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby bbqpenguin on Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:58 pm

i'm just gonna go ahead and stick this here in case i need another post near the top. feel free to ignore it :)
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby Timminz on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:42 pm

As i said in the other thread, I think this is an AMAZING idea. as mentioned, high ranked players can be worried about public terminator games, since they become such a huge target right away. Inversely, some higher ranks will shoot for lower players first, to avoid a larger points loss, in standard games. This option would increase the actual "fair" play and stop people from making assumptions about other players based on their score.
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:45 pm

I think "Anonymous Games" was suggested a while ago, but I don't think much came of it, nor did anyone decide to accept or reject it.

I generally agree with the improvements, but with everything good comes bad as we all know. In a sense, this game type could be open to abuse...stacked games of friends/clans looking essentially use secret alliances. Multiple accounts also can be thrown into the mix.

Interesting idea, we'll have to see if it goes anywhere or if it gets stomped and squished. :)


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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby bbqpenguin on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:47 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I think "Anonymous Games" was suggested a while ago, but I don't think much came of it, nor did anyone decide to accept or reject it.

I generally agree with the improvements, but with everything good comes bad as we all know. In a sense, this game type could be open to abuse...stacked games of friends/clans looking essentially use secret alliances. Multiple accounts also can be thrown into the mix.

Interesting idea, we'll have to see if it goes anywhere or if it gets stomped and squished. :)


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yes i think as it is there is defenitely potential for abuse (which, if caught, would of course have to be punished accordingly) i'm kind of hoping as this thread goes along some of these problems will be resolved by people smarter than me :)
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby bob3603 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:49 pm

I also like this idea. One use might be in clan games with multiple clans participating in a single game. This will make people play to win the game instead of targeting the clan that is ahead in overall points
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby Timminz on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:50 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I think "Anonymous Games" was suggested a while ago, but I don't think much came of it, nor did anyone decide to accept or reject it.

I generally agree with the improvements, but with everything good comes bad as we all know. In a sense, this game type could be open to abuse...stacked games of friends/clans looking essentially use secret alliances. Multiple accounts also can be thrown into the mix.

Interesting idea, we'll have to see if it goes anywhere or if it gets stomped and squished. :)


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I'm a little confused. Wouldn't multis and secret alliances be just as easy to spot, by the play? And, once the game is over, the names are revealed, so reporting suspicious play would be just as easy. Maybe I'm just being naive though.
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Re: Fog-of Player games (copyrights to owenshooter for the term)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:54 pm

I'm just stating that there is even more chance of abuse than with a standard play.


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