[GP] Automatically Award Spoils Even if a Player Times Out

[Ronaldinho]

People use it as a tatic also. They capture territories and then they waste down the clock to not get a card. I think you SHOULDENT get a card if the clock runs down though. Speeds up the game if some gimp keep just using the 1hour everytime knowing he will get a card

[tals]

People use it as a tatic also. They capture territories and then they waste down the clock to not get a card. I think you SHOULDENT get a card if the clock runs down though. Speeds up the game if some gimp keep just using the 1hour everytime knowing he will get a card

Hmm I hadn't realised that - no win my case it may just slow the game down

Tals

[Evil Semp]

I agree with getting a card. A couple of times the site went down during my turn and I didn't get a card.

How can it be used as a tatic?

The only time it might help is freestyle when someone else is playing at the same time. And then if you were paying attention you would know if they got a card. In Sequential nobody else gets their turn until that persons turn is over so you would see if they had a card. But then again I use the Grease Monkey script that shows the cards.

People don't lose their reinforcements for missing a turn, why should people get penalized for playing. Remember one of the main reason for not losing reinforcements is life happens. I think that would be reason to give them their card.

[Ronaldinho]

Im not sure really, maybe if you are on 4 cards and you DONT want to cash next turn or if you may not want to. If you have a set then its a win win situation,...

[Evil Semp]

But if you have a set and don't want to cash you should not attack. I mean why risk losing armies if you don't want a card.

[Ronaldinho]

But if you have a set and don't want to cash you should not attack. I mean why risk losing armies if you don't want a card.

If they get a country bonus. Maybe you want to reduce it down to 3 again...?

[Evil Semp]

Then you have to weigh you options, get a card or try to reduce their bonus.

Why should someone be penalized when the site goes down? I had it happen to me twice and my wife had it happen to her twice. Once was in a freestyle team game that probably cost us a game.


Maybe you should have the option of not taking a card then. The only time I see it as an advantage not to get a card is the beginning of an escalating game.

[Backglass]

I agree with getting a card. A couple of times the site went down during my turn and I didn't get a card.

How can it be used as a tatic?

Picture an escalating game and everyone on the board has (4) cards...you have two blue & two green. The next value is 20.

You can attack to your hearts content, then let the timer run out. YOU dont get a card, forcing you to use them in the next turn. Chances are howeverthat your opponents WILL, so when you do decide to use your cards you simply take the card and the higher redemtion value.

Did that make sense?

[Evil Semp]

Picture an escalating game and everyone on the board has (4) cards...you have two blue & two green. The next value is 20.

You can attack to your hearts content, then let the timer run out. YOU dont get a card, forcing you to use them in the next turn. Chances are howeverthat your opponents WILL, so when you do decide to use your cards you simply take the card and the higher redemtion value.

Did that make sense?

If you have 2 blue and 2 green how does this force you to use them next turn? Did you mean not force you to trade next turn?

But in that case you would have to wait 2 turns to trade becasue you have 4 cards and no trade. by then you might be dead becasue if there were 4 or 5 trades before you can trade it probably makes you a good target.

[joeyjordison]

i know it is a tactic but i don't use it as it can slow the game down. i think there r reasons why it should b changed coz it can b penalising if there is a genium problem. i would vote to change it.

[Backglass]

If you have 2 blue and 2 green how does this force you to use them next turn? Did you mean not force you to trade next turn?

If you have two blue & two green, no matter what card you get (red, blue, green) you must redeem on your next turn.

BUT if you let the timer run out, you dont get a card, and can thus delay your redemption so as to get a higher value while still attacking.

That is the tactic.

[Bishop]

I don't think that's a very genuine tactic. That's just aking advantage of the computer system. If you play the baord game version, you can't manipulate it that way.

[Soloman]

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If a person conquers 1 or more territories in there turn, they should still recieve a card even if there time runs out. Based on the games rules a card should be granted

The same system that judges whether a player has met requirements for a card should be able to award card whether they end turn or time runs out.

This is needed because any number thing can happen in the middle of a players turn(i.e. outage of power or connection, computer crashes or locks up, guest surprises you at home/work/school, or an emergency occurs that require immediate attention) that will cause for them to not be able to finish once they started. while they cannot get the turn back as long as they met the requirements for conquering territories they should still recieve there card.

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[pancakemix]

Sometimes that can be used strategically, though. Ex: I have 1 card, green has 3, and I'm about to lose. I can choose to do as much damage as possible, but not end my turn, he only gets 4 cards, and can't trade.

[RobinJ]

I can see problems like the one above me but I would support this

[freezie]

Sometimes that can be used strategically, though. Ex: I have 1 card, green has 3, and I'm about to lose. I can choose to do as much damage as possible, but not end my turn, he only gets 4 cards, and can't trade.

Another ''I will let the time flows and it will screw other players for their patience'' problem.

To me, it's another reason why you should earn the card anyway. I consider what I quoited to be unfair play.

[Supermath]

Or possibly "I don't want to end up with 5 cards and get only 4 armies."

[vakEirn79]

Or possibly "I don't want to end up with 5 cards and get only 4 armies."

Then don't conquer a country every turn for 5 turns. If you couldn't get in a position to have that choice, then the (current) rules of the game dictate that you don't have a choice to not take a card either.

If timing out to not get a card is supposed to be a valid strategy, then there should be a method to simply choose to not get a card instead of having the player wait an hour and waste everyone's time. It wouldn't be very hard to have another button beside End Attacks to Pass Turn, so they skip their fort round in exchange for not being forced to take a card. As it is, it's just exploiting a mechanic which was intended as punishment, by doing the exact thing that was supposed to be punished in the first place (taking over an hour on a turn).

Btw, I was just arguing that the "strategically not receiving a card" argument shouldn't apply. I don't feel strongly about someone receiving a card or not if they legitimately time out. They did earn the card, but they're also wasting an hour's time, so not getting the card serves as that punishment I mentioned above.

[freezie]

Or possibly "I don't want to end up with 5 cards and get only 4 armies."

Don't conquer a country then. Unless your opponent forced you to, which then he is the one playing right.

[trackersdream]

Or possibly "I don't want to end up with 5 cards and get only 4 armies."

Then don't conquer a country every turn for 5 turns. If you couldn't get in a position to have that choice, then the (current) rules of the game dictate that you don't have a choice to not take a card either.

If timing out to not get a card is supposed to be a valid strategy, then there should be a method to simply choose to not get a card instead of having the player wait an hour and waste everyone's time. It wouldn't be very hard to have another button beside End Attacks to Pass Turn, so they skip their fort round in exchange for not being forced to take a card. As it is, it's just exploiting a mechanic which was intended as punishment, by doing the exact thing that was supposed to be punished in the first place (taking over an hour on a turn).

Btw, I was just arguing that the "strategically not receiving a card" argument shouldn't apply. I don't feel strongly about someone receiving a card or not if they legitimately time out. They did earn the card, but they're also wasting an hour's time, so not getting the card serves as that punishment I mentioned above.

a few points 1st did you even read the options it should not be a punishemnt for people to not recieve a card if they earned it as is stated at the begginning any numer of things could happen

2ndthe whole not wanting to get a card thing is the most senseless thing I have heard if you do nto want to earn a card for some odd reason either do not attack and deploy and end turn or play a no cards game that is simple
the whole point he was trying to make is stuff in life can come up like a computer crashing or your internet going out in the middle of you playing and you should get your card

[vakEirn79]

Or possibly "I don't want to end up with 5 cards and get only 4 armies."

Then don't conquer a country every turn for 5 turns. If you couldn't get in a position to have that choice, then the (current) rules of the game dictate that you don't have a choice to not take a card either.

If timing out to not get a card is supposed to be a valid strategy, then there should be a method to simply choose to not get a card instead of having the player wait an hour and waste everyone's time. It wouldn't be very hard to have another button beside End Attacks to Pass Turn, so they skip their fort round in exchange for not being forced to take a card. As it is, it's just exploiting a mechanic which was intended as punishment, by doing the exact thing that was supposed to be punished in the first place (taking over an hour on a turn).

Btw, I was just arguing that the "strategically not receiving a card" argument shouldn't apply. I don't feel strongly about someone receiving a card or not if they legitimately time out. They did earn the card, but they're also wasting an hour's time, so not getting the card serves as that punishment I mentioned above.

a few points 1st did you even read the options it should not be a punishemnt for people to not recieve a card if they earned it as is stated at the begginning any numer of things could happen

2ndthe whole not wanting to get a card thing is the most senseless thing I have heard if you do nto want to earn a card for some odd reason either do not attack and deploy and end turn or play a no cards game that is simple

Maybe you could read what I actually wrote, instead of commenting on what you think I wrote.

For your first point, I said I didn't care. The reason this site has that rule in effect right now is presumably as punishment for taking too long. I didn't come up with the rule, I didn't say it should definitely be kept. Unlike you however, I bothered to take some time to think about why that rule might be in place right now, instead of just assuming every mod and admin on this site is an idiot.

Your second point is basically what I said with worse grammar, so...what's the point of telling me that? If it wasn't directed at me, you shouldn't use the First-Second structure when the first point clearly is.

the whole point he was trying to make is stuff in life can come up like a computer crashing or your internet going out in the middle of you playing and you should get your card

The whole point I was trying to make is that "strategically not taking a card" is a poor reason to keep the current rule, which apparently you agree with. Sorry for not posting in point form with short words so you can understand it.

[CreepyUncleAndy]

This has happened to me! I totally agree that you should always get a card at the end of your turn if you a take at least one territory, whether you end your turn or let time run out.

I can see keeping the status quo being an open invitation to abuse the meta-game meta-strategy aspect of letting the way time is managed on this site to fundamentally alter the game in a way that is counter to the spirit of the game. Darn, I had better, more concise explanations in my head before I wrote that....

[yeti_c]

In the board game...

If you forget to take your card then you lose it... I assume that this is the CC derivative of this rule...

C.

[SirSebstar]

if en real life emergency keeps you from your keyboard for 24 hours you also get punished by not being able to take a turn, why should you not be punished for not ending your turn within an hour?

Not getting a card is a punishment. That you can use the punishment to your own benefit is only good strategic thinking

compare this to the 5 card 2 turn deadbeater escalating, who is poised to take over the world is he is not killed in time. it is what is called using the system to your own advantage. Its not nice and ill put you on my ingnore list if you used it, but it is very well possible and permitable within the rules.
the rule should stay as it is to deter the deadbeater. the emergency guy just gets screwed and thats not nice, but its better then us all waiting for ever on the deadbeater who does not press the end turn because he does not have to

[risk master2000]

if en real life emergency keeps you from your keyboard for 24 hours you also get punished by not being able to take a turn, why should you not be punished for not ending your turn within an hour?

Not getting a card is a punishment. That you can use the punishment to your own benefit is only good strategic thinking

compare this to the 5 card 2 turn deadbeater escalating, who is poised to take over the world is he is not killed in time. it is what is called using the system to your own advantage. Its not nice and ill put you on my ingnore list if you used it, but it is very well possible and permitable within the rules.
the rule should stay as it is to deter the deadbeater. the emergency guy just gets screwed and thats not nice, but its better then us all waiting for ever on the deadbeater who does not press the end turn because he does not have to

everyone who keeps calling it a punishment I think is silly, it is a part of the system that is flawed and easily fixed is my brothers point. if you do not take your turn with in 24 hours that is different then being in the middle of your turn and having your computer crash or your cable and internet go out. It is foolish to say there is any type of strategy to not finishing your turn when you start it I can guarantee that 98.6% of people who start there turn and do not finish do so unwillingly and for the rest they are just idiots doing something detrimental to themselves...