Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually + Longevity]

[the.killing.44]

So we spent two and a half months in 2009, and one in January 2010, and it counts as a 2010 challenge?

[jpcloet]

RPI tracks by when challenges are complete and not by individual games. I cannot track single games, not reasonable.

[the.killing.44]

I never said anything about single games, I'm talking about when the challenge was started/the majority was played.

[jpcloet]

Either way, I'm not checking all the games of a challenge to see when they all started and finished.

If I made some assumptions around what was more in 2009, I get

The Odd Fellows Union
Immortal Assassins
Legends of War

[Blitzaholic]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

[Bones2484]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

I wish Chuuuck had answered this already in his most recent post in the Power Rankings thread.

Oh wait. He did.

The next vote I run will be sometime around December. I hope to have more participation each time around because more stats = better results.

[Chariot of Fire]

[Blitzaholic]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

I wish Chuuuck had answered this already in his most recent post in the Power Rankings thread.

Oh wait. He did.

The next vote I run will be sometime around December. I hope to have more participation each time around because more stats = better results.

ok, thx, I know 2 was ran this year, then another in December, so on average once every 4 months. I was thinking once every 6 months, oh well.

[Chuuuuck]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

I wish Chuuuck had answered this already in his most recent post in the Power Rankings thread.

Oh wait. He did.

The next vote I run will be sometime around December. I hope to have more participation each time around because more stats = better results.

ok, thx, I know 2 was ran this year, then another in December, so on average once every 4 months. I was thinking once every 6 months, oh well.

It will probably be about every 6 months. The first one this year was only to accommodate the conqueror's cup and really wasn't a ranking because we didn't include all of the clans.

[Blitzaholic]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

I wish Chuuuck had answered this already in his most recent post in the Power Rankings thread.

Oh wait. He did.

The next vote I run will be sometime around December. I hope to have more participation each time around because more stats = better results.

ok, thx, I know 2 was ran this year, then another in December, so on average once every 4 months. I was thinking once every 6 months, oh well.

It will probably be about every 6 months. The first one this year was only to accommodate the conqueror's cup and really wasn't a ranking because we didn't include all of the clans.

yes, I agree Chuuuuck, every 6 months sounds good to me as well, thanks.

[Blitzaholic]

Chuuuuck, I think that 6 months is up? or close?

[Chuuuuck]

Chuuuuck, I think that 6 months is up? or close?

Yes, I plan on drafting a new PM this week asking for votes from clan leaders again.

[Blitzaholic]

Chuuuuck, I think that 6 months is up? or close?

Yes, I plan on drafting a new PM this week asking for votes from clan leaders again.

quick, because December is almost here.

[Blitzaholic]

Does anyone know when chuuuuck is doing another poll to rank the clans by votes? or Is he still down in Mexico?

I wish Chuuuck had answered this already in his most recent post in the Power Rankings thread.

Oh wait. He did.

The next vote I run will be sometime around December. I hope to have more participation each time around because more stats = better results.

yeah, kool, as long as it is sometime in decemeber, that is fine, because I need to update 2010 clans as year is about to end.


2006

1. Dragoons
2. Bushwackers
3. Stachewackers
4. CWC
5. Bounty Hunters
6. Legionaires of Chaos
7. Scion of Glory (holes)
8. Gridiron Gang
9. Freelancers
10. Elmo's War Legion


2007

1. Thota
2. Dragoons
3. Lod now Aod
4. Untouchables
5. Stachewackers
6. Bushwackers
7. Regulators
8. Bounty Hunters
9. LoW
10. Koe


2008

1. Thota
2. LoW
3. Tsm
4. Dragoons
5. Untouchables
6. Empire
7. Lod now Aod
8. ++The Legion++
9. Gen. 1
10. VDLL


2009

1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. LoW
4. IA
5. Empire
6. ++The Legion++
7. Dragoons
8. BSS
9. BpB
10. AOD


2010?
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[Dako]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

[Lubawski]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

You could have been if you had complained about coverage abuse. Or if others were rational rather than emotionally based decision makers.

[Blitzaholic]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

You could have been if you had complained about coverage abuse. Or if others were rational rather than emotionally based decision makers.

hopefully Tofu plays TSM soon, then if Tofu wins, Thota could challenge your clan to 80 game series sometime in 2011, just a thought.

[ljex]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

You could have been if you had complained about coverage abuse. Or if others were rational rather than emotionally based decision makers.

hopefully Tofu plays TSM soon, then if Tofu wins, Thota could challenge your clan to 80 game series sometime in 2011, just a thought.

TOFU basically beat KORT so i don't see how they need to play TSM before facing you. In fact if not for COF joining 1 extra game, they would be playing you right now (provided the last game COF decided to join was not the difference maker).

[Blitzaholic]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

You could have been if you had complained about coverage abuse. Or if others were rational rather than emotionally based decision makers.

hopefully Tofu plays TSM soon, then if Tofu wins, Thota could challenge your clan to 80 game series sometime in 2011, just a thought.

TOFU basically beat KORT so i don't see how they need to play TSM before facing you. In fact if not for COF joining 1 extra game, they would be playing you right now (provided the last game COF decided to join was not the difference maker).

Yes, I agree ljex, if tofu had won, yes, of course we would be playing them. I am not talking about a cup or league of a forced format, but a clan challenge of 80 games.

What I am suggesting and I have now for over a year is for tofu to play tsm who did not join this cup, as many has seen tsm as a #2 clan over last couple years. We of Thota have played the best clans year in and year out to earn our stripes, tofu never has, kort was the 1st clan that perhaps was a top 5 clan through a format and it was real close.

Most of us on CC know tofu is a very solid clan, but get tested by Tsm, they do that, then for me, they earned the right to play us. This is just my opinion, I would think Tofu would want to do that anyways, if they really want to be regarded as a top tier clan, then they need to play top tier clans like tsm and then thota and show it as many think we may be the top 3 clans. Now, I know tofu has the skilled players to do it, they just have to demonstrate it is all.

[ljex]

Well, this is going to be tough. A pity TOFU were not to play THOTA this year.

You could have been if you had complained about coverage abuse. Or if others were rational rather than emotionally based decision makers.

hopefully Tofu plays TSM soon, then if Tofu wins, Thota could challenge your clan to 80 game series sometime in 2011, just a thought.

TOFU basically beat KORT so i don't see how they need to play TSM before facing you. In fact if not for COF joining 1 extra game, they would be playing you right now (provided the last game COF decided to join was not the difference maker).

Yes, I agree ljex, if tofu had won, yes, of course we would be playing them. I am not talking about a cup or league of a forced format, but a clan challenge of 80 games.

What I am suggesting and I have now for over a year is for tofu to play tsm who did not join this cup, as many has seen tsm as a #2 clan over last couple years. We of Thota have played the best clans year in and year out to earn our stripes, tofu never has, kort was the 1st clan that perhaps was a top 5 clan through a format and it was real close.

Most of us on CC know tofu is a very solid clan, but get tested by Tsm, they do that, then for me, they earned the right to play us. This is just my opinion, I would think Tofu would want to do that anyways, if they really want to be regarded as a top tier clan, then they need to play top tier clans like tsm and then thota and show it as many think we may be the top 3 clans. Now, I know tofu has the skilled players to do it, they just have to demonstrate it is all.

Personally I don't understand THOTA's you need to earn the right to play us...but i don't really care to debate that so ill leave it be. Also TOFU did beat KORT In the games just had COF join 21 games so essentially they did earn the right to play you in the finals of the Conquers Cup. Isn't that enough?

[Dako]

It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans :D.

[Qwert]

"Dako on Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 pm
It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans ."

Who knows,maybe these is second team of THOTA ? and everybody need first to play with TSM, and if they win,then can play with THOTA?

[trapyoung]

What I am suggesting and I have now for over a year is for tofu to play tsm who did not join this cup, as many has seen tsm as a #2 clan over last couple years. We of Thota have played the best clans year in and year out to earn our stripes, tofu never has, kort was the 1st clan that perhaps was a top 5 clan through a format and it was real close.

Most of us on CC know tofu is a very solid clan, but get tested by Tsm, they do that, then for me, they earned the right to play us. This is just my opinion, I would think Tofu would want to do that anyways, if they really want to be regarded as a top tier clan, then they need to play top tier clans like tsm and then thota and show it as many think we may be the top 3 clans. Now, I know tofu has the skilled players to do it, they just have to demonstrate it is all.

Blitz, you talk about how TOFU has not done anything to be perceived as a top tier clan, but how long will you allow other clans to ride on the coat tails of former success? It was TSM's perogative to decline to participate in Conquer's Cup and CLA, but when you obviate from participating in these events (or clan challenges altogether), then I don't think you deserve the right to retain ranking in light of how others have continued to compete.

The four challenges of TSM were conducted on September 08 (LEGION), February 09 (IA), July 09 (LOW) and October 09 (THOTA). TOFU has conducted challenges (or Conquer's Cup which qualify as challenges) on August 09 (Dragoons), January 10 (Mythology), January 10 (G1), May 10 (AOD), September 10 (AOC), Top 16 (BOFM), Quarterfinals (Legion), and Semifinals (KoRT).

If you disregard TSM's challenge against you, we have both fared against The Legion. Then, considering your preliminary list of Top 2010 clans available here, TOFU has faced two on the Top-10 list (but even you acknowledged later that KoRT is a top-five clan). In the meantime, TSM has remained stagnant. You can harsh on how TOFU has played many clans not in the Top 10, and granted, TSM's war list is impressive, but you've created some inconsistencies.

(1) THOTA faces off against the top-tier competition each year - No war in 2010 against either TOFU or TSM (although I suppose you can claim that games against TSM ended in early 2010), but there was no challenge begun in 2010 that verifies that claim.

(2) Your initial turn down of COF's challenge offer against THOTA was based on the fact that THOTA had faced LOW, which many (some?) members of TOFU were a part of, thus it would not be fair and would be, in kind, repeating the challenge. It seems as if you equate our talent level around (or on par) with LOW which based off of the 2010 and 2009 ranking would put us near a top-3 clan, which your 2010 ranking reflects.

(3) But, so much of your posts harp on earning your due, but do no active challenges in 2010 really warrant a top-2 seeding regardless of past performance? I am not saying TSM is not a top-tier clan, but when deciding which clans to face off against to prove THOTA's mettle year-in and year-out, I sincerely doubt THOTA would repeat such a challenge against TSM when TSM has not played anyone in the intermediary. In fact, if proposed the challenge again, I am certain THOTA would respond that TSM would need to prove they are worthy or would lob out some argument that TOFU is threatening as the overall 2 and, thus, TOFU-TSM would need to face off for the right to face THOTA. But what about THOTA taking on the top of the litter each year?

(4) This is what everyone wants. You talk about perception, but it is clear that EVERYONE except you wants this to happen sooner rather than later. Incandenza even made a post describing his disappointment as he had wanted to retire following a THOTA-TOFU match-up. So, if this list is about perception and this is the challenge people want, then why not make it happen? You'd have a stronger argument if you based it off the Clan Ladder rankings, but would TSM have retained its slot without remaining active? Old challenges do not factor as greatly in one's favor as recent ones (and in my opinion, deservedly so).

- T

[danryan]

It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans .

I think it's ideal since TSM plays challenges something like every other week . I mean, when's the last challenge they played (pretty sure it's THOTA)?

In any case, until someone beats THOTA, all this is moot, because they have the right to pick who they will or won't play (in a challenge). And the way Blitz is describing his preference for a clan to play in a challenge against them, is very similar to the leapfrog ladder that jpcloet is trying to implement, where a lower ranked clan has to work their way up the ladder before they can challenge the top clan.

[Blitzaholic]

It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans .

I think it's ideal since TSM plays challenges something like every other week . I mean, when's the last challenge they played (pretty sure it's THOTA)?

In any case, until someone beats THOTA, all this is moot, because they have the right to pick who they will or won't play (in a challenge). And the way Blitz is describing his preference for a clan to play in a challenge against them, is very similar to the leapfrog ladder that jpcloet is trying to implement, where a lower ranked clan has to work their way up the ladder before they can challenge the top clan.

good point dan.


And good post Trapyoung, you made some good arguments and I can respect that. I think our Tsm clan challenge ended around March 2010, then a little summer break, then the Chuuuuck's CUP. All I was trying to share was many perceive, Thota, Tofu, Tsm, IA, and LoW some of the very best clans over last 15 to 18 months or so, with Empire, Nemesis underrated and real close is Kort coming on real strong recently. Tofu and Thota both playing Kort now. We played LoW 2x and some of Tofu were in LoW the 1st time (we realize it is not the same clan), Tsm played IA and won then, so, then we played Tsm who was the winner there in which Tsm played 2 very strong clans. So, we really have just Empire and Tofu to play sometime in 2011 and that could happen, I am open to that. Where we have played most of the other clans named, however, Tofu out of those names named only has played Kort and that was a classic battle.
We like Tsm dislike the clan league of 8 games, too much luck over small portion of games.


So, all I was suggesting was it would be nice to see Tofu play against some of the other top clans over last couple years was all, why wouldn't you want to? I by no means am disrespecting your clan, I think your clan is super strong, it just surprises me that Tofu only played 1 of the top 7 clans over last couple years in a clan challenge is all and that was thru a forced format of the cup which you are currently wrapping up, why is that?