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Active Clan ELO ranking 2011-[update 31 dec 2011]

Postby Qwert on Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:21 pm

OK i will try some sort of clan ranking related to results from 2011.
I will add some,and hope that other clans will also participiate to give me results of clan chalenges in 2011(finished).

Formula for Clan Ranking points.
(loser's score / winner's score) *(number of games) +(win-loss game diference)=total score
separate calculation of two formula give total ranking score
Every clan start with same number of points 1000. You win and you lose rating points.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:21 pm

reserved for results-finished
AKA vs OSA 17-25
LEG vs NEM 30-40
EMP vs ID 23-18
FOED vs DBC 28-12
TIME vs T4C 27-13
TIME vs BOFM 28-32
BOFM vs BSS 39-21
TOFU vs T4C 40-10
DBC vs RISK 26-34
cl3:ID vs LOW 4-5
cl3:ID vs TIME 8-1
cl3:BSS vs LEG 4-5
cl3:TOFU vs LOW 6-3
cl3:LOW vs ID 6-3
cl3:TIME vs ID 2-7
cl3:LOW vs TOFU 5-4
cl3:AOD vs BPB 3-6
cl3:BPB vs AOD 4-5
cl3:EMP vs MYT 6-3
cl3:MYT vs DEVB 6-3
cl3:EMP vs BPB 7-2
cl3:MM vs AOD 5-4
cl3:DEVB vs MYT 4-5
cl3:BPB vs EMP 2-7
cl3:AOC vs IA 4-5
cl3:FOED vs NEM 7-2
cl3:IA vs AOC 5-4
cl3:DYN vs SOW 7-2
cl3:AOC vs DYN 7-2
cl3:NEM vs IA 4-5
cl3:DYN vs AOC 4-5
cl3:SOW vs FOED 3-6
cl3:IA vs NEM 8-1
cl3:KORT vs L4D 7-2
cl3:G1 vs TLW 6-3
cl3:TSM vs KORT 5-3
cl3:GRIM vs L4D 5-4
cl3:KORT vs TSM 6-3
SOW vs LOTZ 24-17
MM vs GRIM 32-28
G1 vs AFOS 20-25
DEVB vs OSA 21-20
RISK vs T4C 23-18
KOA vs PACK 14-27
FOED vs AOD 29-14
BSS vs DYN 38-22
cl3:IA vs MYT 13-6
cl3:TOFU vs TSM 9-10
cl3:AOC vs EMP 11-8
cl3:LOW vs KORT 7-12
T4C vs OSA 23-18
DBC vs OSA 16-25
TFFS vs OSA 21-19
DBC vs TLW 31-30
WLSH vs OSA 9-32
AKA vs PACK 18-42
nc:RISK vs SOH 20-22
nc:PACK vs WLSH 31-12
nc:AKA vs PIG 19-24
nc:WLDG vs TNC 29-14
nc:GRIM vs 1RFG 26-16
nc:OSA vs O66 29-14
GRIM vs LOTZ 29-12
cc2:VDLL vs AOC 12-29
cc2:TSM vs TNC 33-8
cc2:GRIM vs LEG 12-29
cc2:TLW vs NEM 18-23
cc2:IA vs RISK 30-11
cc2:DYN vs G1 15-26
cc2:BOFM vs MM 29-12
cc2:FOED vs LOTZ 31-10
cc2:LOW vs OSA 24-17
cc2:MYT vs AFOS 17-24
cc2:EMP vs DBC 32-9 [24]
CC1Final:THOTA vs KORT 27-33
EMP vs IA 22-20
1RFG vs TFFS 13-27
LEG vs FOED 28-57
KOA vs SOH 21-27
BSS vs PACK 21-39
nc:PACK vs SOH 27-16
nc:OSA vs WLDG 22-21
nc:GRIM vs PIG 25-18
cl3:KORT vs AOC 7-12
DEVB vs NEM 23-27
cc2:ID vs TFFS 17-24 [
cc2:DEVB vs BPB 18-23
TNC vs 1RFG 23-19
cc2:AOC vs TFFS 26-15
cc2:EMP vs NEM 30-11
cc2:TSM vs AFOS 24-17
cc2:THOTA vs BPB 24-17
DYN vs OSA 35-25
GRIM vs RISK 28-13
AKA vs TNC 22-18
OSA vs BSS 27-33
cc2:KORT vs G1 24-17
RISK vs LOTZ 26-15
VDLL vs AKA 22-19
cl3: IA vs TSM 10-9
GRIM vs KOA 21-27
cc2:TOFU vs BOFM 22-19
TNC vs MYT 27-33
cc2:IA vs FOED 12-29
1RFG vs RISK 24-16
nc:GRIM vs PACK 17-26
cc2:LOW vs LEG 24-17
KOA vs OHIO 10-2
GRIM vs TLW 35-25
IGF vs TNC 18-23
RISK vs OSA 24-17
nc:OSA vs PACK 18-25
nc:GRIM vs OSA 25-18
MM vs TLW 25-35
RISK vs AKA 23-25
LOTZ vs OSA 18-23
DBC vs TFFS 16-24
TNC vs LOTZ 22-18
cl3Final:-AOC vs IA 9-10
GRIM vs MYT 18-24
cc2:THOTA vs AOC 35-26
cc2:TSM vs LOW 40-21
cc2:TOFU vs EMP 21-40
ID vs G1 22-27
TNC vs PIG 15-28
LEG vs AOD 38-23
DEVB vs PIG 25-35
cc2:KORT vs FOED 39-22
AKA vs LOTZ 38-12
OSA vs VDLL 28-33
TNC vs DBC 35-6
LEG vs BOFM 17-24
acc:KOA vs DYN 15-25
acc:OHIO vs 1RFG 5-34
acc:TNC vs LEG 12-26
acc:OSA vs PIG 19-20
acc:RISK vs AOD 15-23
acc:TFFS vs BSS 18-21
TFFS vs TNC 26-15
acc:MDR vs GRIM 18-21
KOA vs IGF 28-21
acc:SOH vs LOTZ 20-19
acc:AFOS vs AKA 23-14
BSS vs MYT 23-37
acc:BSS vs DYN 11-37
MM vs WLDG 27-26
OSA vs TNC 28-13
acc:MM vs NEM 30-16
acc:SOH vs BOFM 14-31
acc:1RFG vs AOD 25-24
acc:AFOS vs FOED 22-29
acc:PIG vs AOC 28-22
TNC vs BSS 36-25
KOA vs MB 41-10
AKA vs 1RFG 25-26
ID vs TLW 27-16
RISK vs VDLL 30-25
LOTZ vs DBC 23-28
RIsk vs DEVB 29-31
IA vs PACK 23-28
1RFG vs TNC 18-23
TNC vs MB 39-14
DYN vs TLW 29-22
DBC vs AKA 16-27
acc:GRIM vs LOW 22-26
KOA vs LOTZ 43-8
AKA vs GRIM 18-23
BOFM vs OSA 18-23
acc:MM vs 1RFG 29-22
acc:BOFM vs LEG 30-19
TNC vs THH 23-20
cc2:KORT vs EMP 37-23
cc2:THOTA vs TSM 33-34
nc2:1RFG vs MB 29-12
AFOS vs NEM 32-21
acc:LOW vs DYN 19-31
nc2:THH vs MDR 20-21
acc:FOED vs PIG 27-22
nc2:OSA vs IGF 18-23
DBC vs ID 15-28
nc2:TNC vs LHDD------20-21

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need to add results on board

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not finish
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1RFG vs OHIO -??
1RFG vs DEC -??
ID vs TNC
OSA vs 1RFG
MB vs LOTZ
LHDD vs DBC
TNC vs DEVB
TNC vs UR
TNC vs TLW
PACK vs MYT
TNC vs LOTZ
TLW vs 1RFG
TNC vs MM
OSA vs TFFS
VDLL vs THH
KOA vs TFFS
AKA vs TFFS
ID vs MM
WAR vs 1RFG
DYN vs TFFS
MB vs DBC
acc:BOFM vs FOED
AOC vs LEG
acc:MM vs DYN
LEG vs AKA
AOD vs G1
BOFM vs IA
nc2:GRIM vs 1RFG
TOFU vs OSA
OSA vs WAR
SOH vs TNC
MB vs WAR
cc2final:KORT vs TSM
MB vs ROTS
nc2:KOA vs MD
PACK vs EMP
TNC vs RH
THH vs 1RFG
nc2:AKA vs IGF
MB vs THH
----------------------------
(KORT)--2801
(TOFU)--2768
(THOTA)-2724
(IA)----2710
(EMP)---2646
(TSM)---2595
(AOC)---2552
(LOW)---2488
(FOED)--2323
(AFOS)--2311
(ID)----2299
(MM)----2182
(BOFM)--2156
(DYN)---2096
(TFFS)--2065
(BPB)---2060
(PACK)--2051
(NEM)---2013
(GRIM)--2007
(RISK)--1994
(BSS)---1992
(WLDG)--1982
(LEG)---1979
(KOA)---1932
(DEVB)--1916
(OSA)---1903
(VDLL)--1886
(G1)----1880
(SOH)---1880
(IGF)---1874
(AOD)---1857
(MYT)---1851
(AKA)---1835
(TLW)---1827
(PIG)---1774
(TNC)---1719
(DBC)---1533
(LOTZ)--1516
(1RFG)--1503
(O66)---1350
(OHIO)--1269
(WLSH)--1261
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finished,still not calculate on score rank
TFFS vs TNC 26-15
acc:MDR vs GRIM 18-21
KOA vs IGF 28-21
acc:SOH vs LOTZ 20-19
acc:AFOS vs AKA 23-14
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out
L4D 1950
TIME 1622
SOW 1732
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby shocked439 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:25 pm

Are you basing it in win% or overall war results win-loss? Or is it an arbitrary gut feeling type of ranking?
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:31 pm

its based on results, hmm, maybe when i put in post will be much understand, yes win %.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:52 pm

so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Master Fenrir on Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:56 pm

Bruceswar wrote:so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?

Is that a jab at FOED?
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:58 pm

The Spelunkers of Hell are quite disappointed we are not #1
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:03 pm

by Bruceswar » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:52 pm

so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?

Im dont know what you talk abouth farming. im use results, im not use any kind of feel statistic, or percepcion view,or any other ranking system.
These is based only on results.

by Army of GOD » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:58 am

The Spelunkers of Hell are quite disappointed we are not #1

You have time for that,its only a begining of year.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby shocked439 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:14 pm

Bruceswar wrote:so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?

I could be wrong but I see some merit in keeping an overall clan performance thread.

I think it'd be nice to have:
Total wars
Wars won
Wars lost
Games won
Games lost
Total games
Win percentage
And if a quality win could be determined (maybe a win by less than 5 games would be determined to be a quality victory as the two clans could then be argued to be fairly competitive)

I dont think it would encourage farming for winning % but rather be a tool to make some the polls and standings easier to compile.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:31 pm

Master Fenrir wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?

Is that a jab at FOED?


No not at all, but if records were kept this way... we would see clans farming others for win %
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby jpcloet on Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:12 pm

Does no one learn from my 2 years worth of ladder beatings? :lol:

Qwert, there are plans in place to do a few things that will make things a little clearer. 8-)
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby L M S on Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:39 pm

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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:21 am

bofm vs bss 39-21
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Eyestone on Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:04 am

Taking the quality of a clan out of the equation is just plain stupid. Take the classic THOTA vs Monkis. No one can say that wasn't 2 of the best clans on the site when they played each other. THOTA won with 41-40 if I remember it correctly, but if let's say Grim Reapers would beat AKA 22-19 in a challenge, they would be placed above both clans. That's just not right, and you know it. You get high win percentage if you play unbalanced challenges. Where's the fun in that? I'd much rather play a close battle against the top ranked clan and lose by one game than win with 80% winrate against a brand new, unorganized clan.

Just to make sure: This is no stab at any of the clans on the list. This is a stab at the flawed ranking system.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:10 am

guys, these is unoficial clan ranking related only to win%, these is have nothing with any official clan ranking. I doubt that some clan will farming to be no1 in unofficial ranking list, and i dont know what will get with that.
I hope that you realised that ,and that you will stop insulting.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby L M S on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:24 pm

Just change it from Clan Ranking 2011 to Clan War Win % 2011... to what it is.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby jefjef on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:36 pm

qwert wrote:guys, these is unoficial clan ranking related only to win%, these is have nothing with any official clan ranking. I doubt that some clan will farming to be no1 in unofficial ranking list, and i dont know what will get with that.
I hope that you realised that ,and that you will stop insulting.


qwert I really see no one trying to insult you. They are just questioning the need and actual purpose of this thread. Seems that time could be better spent doing other things or you could contact jpcloet and offer your assistance.

As cloet stated: Qwert, there are plans in place to do a few things that will make things a little clearer.

Cheers and good luck with your new clan.
This post was made by jefjef who should be on your ignore list.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby jigger1986 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:51 pm

One suggestion:

Take the ranking numbers out and it become a record keeping tool. Clans are then free to make their own assumptions on who the best is.
There is already enough ranking crap out there. If it were just "recorded" alphabetically we could get over the argument.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:41 am

ok,after long thinking,i think that i find best formula for calculating ranking points. These formula will prevent any kind of farming,because any Strong clan will not get big number of points if they win low ranked clan.
The formula for calculate ranking points are:
(loser's score / winner's score) *(number of games)
Clan score are average points.
Examples:
thota 2816 vs Kort 2709
tofy 2707 vs t4c 1622
For these example i take that chalenge whas 40 games.
Thota win points against Kort:
2709/2816*40=38 ranking points
Kort win points against thota:
2816/2709*40=42 ranking points
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tofy win points against t4c:
1622/2707*40=23 ranking points
T4C win against TOFY:
2709/1622*40=67 ranking points
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These formula can be use for all kind of clan chalenges.
I will use these formula and create new ranking list.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Leehar on Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:55 am

How are you determining clan score? Clan rank?
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:30 am

Yep average clan score. I think that these will be best way to rank clans.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011

Postby stahrgazer on Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 am

Bruceswar wrote:so by going off your rankings... clans would want to farm for win % seems lame?


Really? And here I thought clans continually tried to win to increase their wins. Surely your clan tries to increase its wins? Well, by default, if you win more, your win% goes up. :lol:

Seriously, Bruce, I get what you're saying but... I doubt decent clans fight "lesser clans" just for easy pickings, and if the clan isn't decent, it's not likely to continue a winning streak to make this a concern, because better clans will overwhelm them. Eventually it will be noticeable if a clan is refusing battles with "reputable clans" in favor of "easy pickings" to increase win %.

Contrarily, just because a known clan agrees to a battle with an unknown clan, doesn't mean they're doing it because they think it will be an easy win. For example, as I recall, BSS, a fairly decent clan, will often give unknowns a chance at them... I doubt they're doing it simply because they think they'll swarm the opponents to increase their win%.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011-new formula

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:52 am

can someone help me with TIME clan, its look that they out of list,and its hard to see hes clan average score.
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011-new formula

Postby Leehar on Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:01 am

qwert wrote:can someone help me with TIME clan, its look that they out of list,and its hard to see hes clan average score.

Just use aka
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Re: Clan Ranking 2011-new formula

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:02 am

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