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Postby IcePack on Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Greetings,
Over time a lot of people have discussed / debated with me what would things be like if we only had wars. Lovely, full size, winner take all wars.
While the F400 is probably the most accurate ranking system we have in place now, I started asking myself....what would the Clan World be like if there were only wars, and no skirmishes?

Welcome to the product of my boredom. This will NOT be updated as regularly as the F400. It won't have all the little stats either, the intent for this will be a "update once a month-ish" thing I do when I have some free time for those of you who care to look at it.

It uses the same algo as the F400, but has a higher game count restriction to be included. 41, to be exact. The minimum weight requirement will be slightly lower, at 125.

if it ain't 41, its been undone!

Since this is the first update, there are no "position changes" from last months update. So, in its place I will put what the difference between the clans rank from F400 to F41 in the "pos change" column. Every update afterwards, we'll see the changes from month to month instead.

Hope you enjoy.
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:42 pm

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Re: the F41

Postby conde180711 on Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:50 pm

interesting to see the differences, nice work dude :)
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Re: the F41

Postby xman5151 on Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:13 pm

Yes good stuff - very interesting, glad to see we are a better clan in full wars ( I think) :)
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Re: the F41

Postby chemefreak on Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:22 pm

The difference with MD and GR is impressive. So, basically, much tougher in clan war than in a smaller skirmish.

DYN is no pushover either!
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Re: the F41

Postby kmhebert on Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:41 pm

I agree with this format, mainly because it bumped Grim Reapers up 6 places. Great work IcePack! Hey how do you get all this data, do you have to go through Game Finder manually?
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Re: the F41

Postby Doc_Brown on Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:26 pm

It's crazy how much higher this pushes TOFU from the rest of the pack compared to the F400 ranking. :shock: I know it's first place both ways, but the between #1 and #2 in F400 is 1414 to 1333 - an 81 point differential. In the F41, the point differential is 209 points! I knew we'd lost a lot of points in Random League lately, and I guess this highlights exactly how much.
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Re: the F41

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:40 pm

I cannot see how this system works??? TOFU blows out AFOS ... and beats KORT by 1 point... yet AFOS is on top of KORT... KORT has never lost another war in its history... Interesting...
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Re: the F41

Postby Gilligan on Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:49 pm

No G1? :(
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:12 pm

Gilligan wrote:No G1? :(


Not if you don't have the weight.
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Re: the F41

Postby Gilligan on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:16 pm

IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:No G1? :(


Not if you don't have the weight.


How exactly is weight calculated?
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:25 pm

Gilligan wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:No G1? :(


Not if you don't have the weight.


How exactly is weight calculated?


Amount of wars, games, etc. But for the f41 leagues and everything else isn't counted.
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Re: the F41

Postby Gilligan on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:29 pm

IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:No G1? :(


Not if you don't have the weight.


How exactly is weight calculated?


Amount of wars, games, etc. But for the f41 leagues and everything else isn't counted.


If it's not too much trouble, will our impending war with OTP bring us up to the minimum weight? viewtopic.php?t=191374

If it's trouble I can wait until later :P
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:33 pm

Gilligan wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Gilligan wrote:No G1? :(


Not if you don't have the weight.


How exactly is weight calculated?


Amount of wars, games, etc. But for the f41 leagues and everything else isn't counted.


If it's not too much trouble, will our impending war with OTP bring us up to the minimum weight? viewtopic.php?t=191374

If it's trouble I can wait until later :P


I'm on the wrong computer, but when I get a chance I'll let you know.

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Re: the F41

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:06 pm

How many wars are required (estimate) in a 2-year period to have enough weight for this?

I've always been surprised that the G1 weight was so low in the F400 (and didn't even meet the requirements here) considering we play in about half of the skirmishes and are about to complete our 5th 41+ game war in the window. Though we weren't active much at all in 2012 and just started getting back into things in 2013 with 4 wars so far, so that could explain why our 2-year weight is low.

Anyways, keep up the good work. These things are very interesting.
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:11 pm

Bones2484 wrote:How many wars are required (estimate) in a 2-year period to have enough weight for this?

I've always been surprised that the G1 weight was so low in the F400 (and didn't even meet the requirements here) considering we play in about half of the skirmishes and are about to complete our 5th 41+ game war in the window. Though we weren't active much at all in 2012 and just started getting back into things in 2013 with 4 wars so far, so that could explain why our 2-year weight is low.

Anyways, keep up the good work. These things are very interesting.


Ok, just looked into this. You have 121 weight, just short of the 125 required for the F41. Any war (41 and up) will push you into it.
Just so you can get an idea of where you are at, ill give you a sneak peak ;)

If I dropped the weight requirement from 125 to 100, we'd have two new clans in the top ten. you, and ATL. 8th and 10th. I'll let you and ATL argue over which is which ;)

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Re: the F41

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:58 pm

IcePack wrote:Ok, just looked into this. You have 121 weight, just short of the 125 required for the F41. Any war (41 and up) will push you into it.
Just so you can get an idea of where you are at, ill give you a sneak peak ;)

If I dropped the weight requirement from 125 to 100, we'd have two new clans in the top ten. you, and ATL. 8th and 10th. I'll let you and ATL argue over which is which ;)

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Awesome. Which will be even better when we get the OTP win finalized and incorporated!

Thank you, good sir.
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Re: the F41

Postby Kinnison on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:39 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
IcePack wrote:Ok, just looked into this. You have 121 weight, just short of the 125 required for the F41. Any war (41 and up) will push you into it.
Just so you can get an idea of where you are at, ill give you a sneak peak ;)

If I dropped the weight requirement from 125 to 100, we'd have two new clans in the top ten. you, and ATL. 8th and 10th. I'll let you and ATL argue over which is which ;)

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Awesome. Which will be even better when we get the OTP win finalized and incorporated!

Thank you, good sir.


Actually, look at OTP on the F41 chart... 13 (they obviously have done very well in skirmishes), before you slot clans in at 8 and 10... so effectively 15th. With the squeaker win we managed, it might actually COST us a few points. :lol:
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Re: the F41

Postby Genoke on Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:36 am

what's in the ballon called 'weight'?
i thought weight was like amount of played games....example: a war with 41 games counts as weight 41...but maybe i'm to simple. :D
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Re: the F41

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:28 pm

Kinnison wrote:With the squeaker win we managed, it might actually COST us a few points. :lol:



Hah! True... we need to stop winning by 1 or 2 games and just destroy someone :D
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Re: the F41

Postby deantursx on Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:59 pm

Loving this haha. Feels so nice to see MD at 7!! Looks like its time for us to stop playing in League formats lol!
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Re: the F41

Postby IcePack on Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:52 pm

Would everyone rather see the F41 position change from month to month like the F400 does. Or would you rather continue seeing the difference in rank between F41 and F400 like it shows now?

I know, both would be better. But for this scenario, lets just assume you can only pick one or the other ;)

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Re: the F41

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:16 pm

Month to month.
How long will the fight against ISIS take?
John Kerry wrote:We will engage in this campaign for as long as it takes to prevail.
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Re: the F41

Postby Kinnison on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:30 am

Month to month. we can pull up both charts to compare, don't need their relative difference displayed.
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