[CL4] Clan League 4 - FINAL

[freakns]

Well, i('ve) read everything(understood nothing),and consider(ing) that AKA get(got) Informacion(information) messages from CD, these(this) is normal and fair decision from CD.
AKA need some serious reorganisation(reorganization), to get some(a) person who will be in position to be good contact betwene(between) CD and AKA.

this maybe?

tough decision WPBRJ... but fair one i believe.

[Ickyketseddie]

WPBRJ, I think you guys have done a great job and i wish that all clans entered in this thing would understand that if you are going to bitch about the rules that are laid forward by the Volunteers running this, then just don't sign up period. I would hate to hazard a guess into how many hours these CL4 organizers have invested in this thing. Everyone should just shut up, accept that ALL clans have to follow the same set of rules and have some fun. We are having fun with this and support all the rules and the people who have put in so many hours to put this event on for us. Thanks guys!

I 100% agree with this. I think people are quick to overlook the 'Volunteer' element when nit-picking.

Thanks for all your hard work so far. I hope you don't get dis-couraged from running more in the future!

[Qwert]

Well, i('ve) read everything(understood nothing),and consider(ing) that AKA get(got) Informacion(information) messages from CD, these(this) is normal and fair decision from CD.
AKA need some serious reorganisation(reorganization), to get some(a) person who will be in position to be good contact betwene(between) CD and AKA.

this maybe?

tough decision WPBRJ... but fair one i believe.

freak this is qwenglish language, and now you mess with mine post!
What are name of your clan ? OPT?

[lynch5762]

Well, i('ve) read everything(understood nothing),and consider(ing) that AKA get(got) Informacion(information) messages from CD, these(this) is normal and fair decision from CD.
AKA need some serious reorganisation(reorganization), to get some(a) person who will be in position to be good contact betwene(between) CD and AKA.

this maybe?

tough decision WPBRJ... but fair one i believe.

freak this is qwenglish language, and now you mess with mine post!
What are name of your clan ? OPT?

qwert... you have officially made my day! I now know that all is right in the universe and that whenever I am feeling a little down..... I will just have to remember that we have qwenglish

[WPBRJ]

Well, i('ve) read everything(understood nothing),and consider(ing) that AKA get(got) Informacion(information) messages from CD, these(this) is normal and fair decision from CD.
AKA need some serious reorganisation(reorganization), to get some(a) person who will be in position to be good contact betwene(between) CD and AKA.

this maybe?

tough decision WPBRJ... but fair one i believe.

freak this is qwenglish language, and now you mess with mine post!
What are name of your clan ? OPT?

qwert... you have officially made my day! I now know that all is right in the universe and that whenever I am feeling a little down..... I will just have to remember that we have qwenglish

i have to say as bad as my day has been when i read this i chuckled and want to thank you Qwert that made my day

[Razorvich]

Greetings

I have been following the progress of the ongoing discussions regarding the CLA4 tournament, and as an member of the AKA leadership group, I must make my voice heard in respect to Clan AKA, and my own reputation.

Let it be known that I am a founding member of clan AKA and have no affiliation to clan TIME.

If it wasn't for some personal vendettas going on here....and i must be the first to admit, I do not know the whole background story of all this crap...and thats what is is....crap, I feel that an issue/situation, that could have been sorted within 24hrs, has now escalated, out of control, with loads of waited time, effort ,baits and bullshit to the position we all find ourselves here now.

however....

This means that eddie2 will no longer be allowed to be first or second contact or will he be allowed to participate in any CL4 games and if there are any medals are issued he would also be excluded from them as well.

I will have no hesitations or issues, in being the primary contact for AKA.

BUT, If eddie2 is unable to participate in AKA games within this tournament, then with the most humble respect and regret, we must withdraw

I suppose I already know the response....

There will be a zero tolerance if they so choose to stay in the event

and if we as TO’s feel for one minute that they are being guided by eddie2 in the background or if they are starting trouble they will be removed instantly.

If this last comment is directed to myself...think again mate, I am no blow-horn for eddie2, naive with my first few months on this site, yes, but no fool.

Please let me state I have the utmost respect for those who CHOOSE, to spend their spare time in organizing a mammoth event of this type, including the clan members of all clans that this will effect.

Such a pitty this issue has gone this far.


RAZ

[josko.ri]

I do not remember that organizers changed ANY their decision from the beginning (am I wrong, did they?) no matter that their decision sometimes got ZERO support posts in thread (like the one to put LEG over LHDD). So I do not think they will change this ruling neither nor any other decision/rule. That is why I think any type of "discussion" in public is anyway useless, like speaking with wall without reply.

It seems like ego of organizer are so big that public players may think whatever, suggest whatever, and give whatever arguments, decision will anyway be how organizer says and will never be changed. For me it seems like organizer is perfect person and his opinion is always the best, who cares what numerous other players from clan world think when we have such perfect organizer.

If someone does not agree with my statement, please give me ANY link where organizer changed ANY his decision after public discussion/support had proved that some rule/decision was not good. Of course, that link does not exist, obviously we have perfect organizer who always decide the best solution. It is not weird that players who want to contribute in clan world in any way loose their will for it, when they see how much influence public opinion and effort has on organizer's decisions.

eddie2 did not make any abuse like player, what he did wrong was done from his "AKA first contact" role. So removing him from AKA contact due to not doing his tasks well are ok, but removing him like a player is unfair, as he did not do any playing abuse.

[IR1SH ACE]

no idea what this pissin contest is all about and probably stems from shit before my time on this site but...

This means that eddie2 will no longer be allowed to be first or second contact or will he be allowed to participate in any CL4 games and if there are any medals are issued he would also be excluded from them as well.

this seems a bit harsh...I understand you dont want to deal with eddie2 anymore but to excluded him from been able to play in the games seems like your getting personal on this....you know AKA will withdraw in protest over this and I think that's what you would like them to do...

whats wrong with letting him play in the games?

[eddie2]

well the dissision is down to them but i will only say one short thing..

1)wrpbj you keep on blaming me for time leaving the cl2. this is incorect i left time 3 or 4 weeks before they dropped out. i left all my files for the games needed to be produced with teams to join i also left files with who plays well together and what maps they play so time had adiquite info to finish the last set. joshyboy did not step up and run his clan then 90 percent of time members joined aka because they new i put the time and effort into running time. this is no different to the pack great ollie left and several players followed him from his old clan. So blaming me for time dropping out is unfair.

2nd of all i did not include you in the discussion regarding the pm sent to other clans and not aka i contacted djteflon because he is the member who sent it. i purposely excluded you because we argue and start baiting flaming each other when ever we try talk normally.
onto this event i am willing to follow what razorvich has put down but am going to comment more on your post just now then that will be my last on the matter.

you state that your comments towards me were after everything was over that is inaccurate talks about the game creation were over before i even pmed djteflon i accepted the random games with angola that morning before pming dj. i then later on that day contacted him in regards to aka not getting a pm. which this convo then ended. you then started on me for involving a clan moderator in the convos, removing him from this. at this point you came out with the cancer comments (you will see in the game no i am about to post why i blew it out of proportion . this is what i found out my dad died of.)and this is the point it all errupted and i removed aka.. here is game chat from dj teflon that prooves i did not add you to the convo i was having.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=10942297
thats it for me eddie2 signing out.

[chemefreak]

Again. This thread is being closely monitored. If you want to complain about something do so in the complaint box thread in the main clan forum. Do not do it here. Thanks.

[arno30]

I do not remember that organizers changed ANY their decision from the beginning (am I wrong, did they?) no matter that their decision sometimes got ZERO support posts in thread (like the one to put LEG over LHDD). So I do not think they will change this ruling neither nor any other decision/rule. That is why I think any type of "discussion" in public is anyway useless, like speaking with wall without reply.

It seems like ego of organizer are so big that public players may think whatever, suggest whatever, and give whatever arguments, decision will anyway be how organizer says and will never be changed. For me it seems like organizer is perfect person and his opinion is always the best, who cares what numerous other players from clan world think when we have such perfect organizer.

If someone does not agree with my statement, please give me ANY link where organizer changed ANY his decision after public discussion/support had proved that some rule/decision was not good. Of course, that link does not exist, obviously we have perfect organizer who always decide the best solution. It is not weird that players who want to contribute in clan world in any way loose their will for it, when they see how much influence public opinion and effort has on organizer's decisions.

eddie2 did not make any abuse like player, what he did wrong was done from his "AKA first contact" role. So removing him from AKA contact due to not doing his tasks well are ok, but removing him like a player is unfair, as he did not do any playing abuse.

hummm, it's probably time for us to have a closer look at what's happening here...


got my answer after some reading... nothing to worry about. I'm glad to contribute to the viewer/post count of the CL4.

go on guys, i didn't want to disturb anyone

[tec805]

qwert... you have officially made my day! I now know that all is right in the universe and that whenever I am feeling a little down..... I will just have to remember that we have qwenglish

i have to say as bad as my day has been when i read this i chuckled and want to thank you Qwert that made my day

+➊

[Leehar]

Sorry for the delay, updated our roster


Primary Contact. Leehar

Secondary Contact. jj3044

Preliminary list of 10 players

1. dwilhelmi
2. mkcummins
3. ljex
4. Ninja Champion
5. silverking8
6. netspyman
7. pconnolly365
8. swimmerdude99
9. The Voice
10. mudfighter

[WPBRJ]

Sorry for the delay, updated our roster


Primary Contact. Leehar

Secondary Contact. jj3044

Preliminary list of 10 players

1. dwilhelmi
2. mkcummins
3. ljex
4. Ninja Champion
5. silverking8
6. netspyman
7. pconnolly365
8. swimmerdude99
9. The Voice
10. mudfighter

done

[Chariot of Fire]

Can we make a rewrite of the unlimited rule so that it is clear and unambiguous?

Unlimited is allowed with a limit of 2 games total per home set on trips and quad games only

The way it is written can easily be interpreted as the limit only applying to trips & quads (in fact the sentence structure implies this is the case). Had it said "Unlimited is only allowed in trips and quads, with a limit of two games per round" there would be no argument. See how easy that was!

English is a beautiful language, yet its versatility can lead to confusion. Let's at least put right what may be fixed. Thanks.

p.s. great posts from Foxy & Josko on this - they were spot on - and apologies for dragging this up but it may as well be set to rights.

[laughingcavalier]

I have added a randomly selected player from TSM's list to the quads game on FNNA, georgerx7di.

I pmd you & dj the new contact list a few weeks back & dj said I didn't need to post it any
where. Here's our list:

TSM

first contact: laughingcavalier
second contact: skillfull

laughingcavalier
Tisha
firstholliday
luckywar
ender_w99
Nate the Great
codeblue1018
Blind Date
skillfull
kratos644

This goes in the main thread. Not here.

thnx LC already change and sent pms to all involved

You have still got the wrong listing for TSM in all the threads. This is the correct one.

[Keefie]

Can PLEASE have regular updates (once a week) to the CL4 league tables. Div 3 hasn't been updated for a while and even though a mistake in the War vs Koa score has been pointed out it's still not been corrected over a week later.

[benga]

Can PLEASE have regular updates (once a week) to the CL4 league tables. Div 3 hasn't been updated for a while and even though a mistake in the War vs Koa score has been pointed out it's still not been corrected over a week later.

Not the only one and DJ has a right to have spare time for himself

[IcePack]

Yeah, even bi weekly updates would be nice.

[josko.ri]

I was just reading rules of the event and found this:

overwiew spoiler

10. League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

Last edited by WPBRJ on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:59 pm, edited 28 times in total.

Did organizers break their own rules by putting LEG over LHDD without playing best-of-3 Play-Off?

[arno30]

I was just reading rules of the event and found this:

overwiew spoiler

10. League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

Last edited by WPBRJ on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:59 pm, edited 28 times in total.

Did organizers break their own rules by putting LEG over LHDD without playing best-of-3 Play-Off?

you might be right finally. but i guess it's too late for us to complain now we've started the second phase. can we have an official position about that ?

[Chariot of Fire]

How did LHDD not notice they were just as eligible as LEG when the results were final?

Nice spot josko.

[chemefreak]

How did LHDD not notice they were just as eligible as LEG when the results were final?

Nice spot josko.

Josko is a twit. The decision made by the TOs was made back in March. The new language was added (which can be seen by the edit dated in April) just in case there was a tie in the 2nd Phase. This should be plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain. All Josko has to do is look back at his complaining posts a few weeks ago to see that this has been updated. I hate players who do nothing but complain about this stuff. Josko, run a fucking event yourself or shut up.

[Leehar]

Since most changes have been highlighted in Blue, it's an easy enough misrepresentation to make?
Otherwise how else are you gonna know if some rules have been added midway through and others have been there since the beginning?

And then whats with this discrepancy that some changes are allowed midway through, but others have to be suggested as implementations for CL5?

If tiebreakers can be a prospective addition for phase 2 onwards, then why can't unlimited or other concerns also be implemented for the future phases?

[josko.ri]

How did LHDD not notice they were just as eligible as LEG when the results were final?

Nice spot josko.

Josko is a twit. The decision made by the TOs was made back in March. The new language was added (which can be seen by the edit dated in April) just in case there was a tie in the 2nd Phase. This should be plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain. All Josko has to do is look back at his complaining posts a few weeks ago to see that this has been updated. I hate players who do nothing but complain about this stuff. Josko, run a fucking event yourself or shut up.

according to comments which followed my post, it seems like 4 players think I have some point while only you for now think I am just speaking without any point. it seems that you looks like twit.

And saying that I do nothing is huge lie. I wrote my suggestion how to solve LEG/LHDD problem, so I think I have right to expect that responsible people for the decision stays behing their own decision, not hide in fog and behing others. here is link where I gave my suggestion how it should be solved:
viewtopic.php?f=442&t=161514&start=60#p3669514

so you can see that I do not only complain, but I also give suggestions. I am not guilty that TO team does not consider suggestions and make bad decisions.