CLA Clan Rankings [Jan 14-2010]

[jpcloet]

The following ladder was approved by a vote of 24-2 (9Abstains) in the CLA on Nov 6th.

1. The ladder has both decay (aged out challenges) and depth (number of games in a challenge) weightings
Points calculation is (Win%-0.5)*DecayFactor*ChallengeSizeFactor
2. There is NO league data in here
3. In order to get an A rating, you need to have faced 2 A rated clans. If you performance against A clans is so poor, the committee (currently non-existent) can re-class a clan to a B rating.
4. Clans are sorted by class. A clans are sorted by Average A results. Clans in B are sorted first by A challenge clans, and then by the rest based on their B class ratings.
5. Ratings will be released on the 15th of each month, and become recurring as to create a rhythm.

Ladder:

Results Used

Date T1 Name T2 Name T1 (Result) T2 (Result)
8-Feb-08 Generation 1: The Clan Mythology 22 15
27-Feb-08 Legends of War Sky Force 24 13
13-Mar-08 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen Generation 1: The Clan 11 10
25-Apr-08 The Untouchables The Regulators 22 14
11-May-08 THOTA Imperial Dragoons 53 47
27-May-08 EMPIRE ++The Legion++ 16 15
31-Jul-08 The Untouchables ++The Legion++ 25 14
11-Aug-08 Generation 1: The Clan Angels of Death 23 22
28-Aug-08 THOTA Generation 1: The Clan 41 19
1-Sep-08 The Spanking Monkeys Legends of War 34 26
14-Sep-08 The Regulators Sky Force 26 13
17-Sep-08 Warlords of the Wort ++The Legion++ 11 10
21-Sep-08 Generation 1: The Clan Freemium Forces 15 7
4-Oct-08 The Untouchables De Veroveraars der Lage Landen 25 15
22-Oct-08 Imperial Dragoons Angels of Death 37 23
22-Oct-08 Angels of Death Warlords of the Wort 13 11
27-Oct-08 THOTA The Regulators 41 19
31-Oct-08 ++The Legion++ Marvel/DC Heroes 26 14
4-Dec-08 Immortal Assassins Angels of Death 11 9
6-Dec-08 Angels of Death The Last Warriors 14 6
8-Dec-08 Warlords of the Wort The Regulators 18 12
10-Dec-08 Sky Force ++The Legion++ 33 27
20-Dec-08 Legends of War The Untouchables 16 8
21-Dec-08 Mythology Marvel/DC Heroes 24 16
21-Dec-08 Black Sheep Squadron Sky Force 15 15
24-Dec-08 EMPIRE Imperial Dragoons 24 16
7-Jan-09 Dark Defenders Death By Comity 23 17
22-Jan-09 ++The Legion++ Soldiers of War 15 7
30-Jan-09 Sky Force Freemium Forces 18 6
13-Nov-08 ++The Legion++ Eternal Empire 27 23
7-Feb-09 Nemesis Mythology 23 17
17-Feb-09 ++The Legion++ Bounty Hunters 14 6
20-Jan-09 Imperial Britain Black Sheep Squadron 20 18
27-Jan-09 Imperial Britain Order of Odin 20 20
23-Feb-09 Legends of War Generation 1: The Clan 28 12
28-Feb-09 Immortal Assassins The Regulators 25 15
13-Mar-09 Bullet Proof Bandits Black Sheep Squadron 21 19
13-Mar-09 Sky Force Water's Fury 18 2
13-Mar-09 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen Warlords of the Wort 26 14
31-Mar-09 EMPIRE Imperial Britain 24 16
8-Apr-09 Agents of Chaos Water's Fury 13 7
16-Apr-09 EMPIRE Warlords of the Wort 15 5
17-Apr-09 Angels of Death Sky Force 23 22
19-Apr-09 EMPIRE Black Sheep Squadron 21 19
19-Apr-09 Left4Dead The Last Warriors 20 12
17-May-09 Legends of War Project Enigma 25 5
17-May-09 The Spanking Monkeys Immortal Assassins 22 18
17-May-09 Angels of Death Imperial Britain 22 18
7-Jun-09 ++The Legion++ Order of Odin 22 8
7-Jun-09 Nemesis Imperial Britain 19 11
29-Jun-09 Outlaws & Highwaymen Mythology 25 15
11-Jul-09 THOTA Legends of War 32 28
12-Jul-09 Death By Comity Lunatics 25 15
26-Jul-09 Dragon Lazorz Pew Pew Gorgonzola Pirates 17 3
26-Jul-09 Black Sheep Squadron Left4Dead 21 15
26-Jul-09 Angels of Death Brethren of the Fat Mermaid 25 15
26-Jul-09 Knights of the Round Table Generation 1: The Clan 15 15
27-Jul-09 Black Sheep Squadron Imperial Britain 25 15
8-Aug-09 Agents of Chaos Karma Clan 23 7
8-Aug-09 Imperial Dragoons Sky Force 25 17
13-Aug-09 Black Sheep Squadron Outlaws & Highwaymen 24 22
14-Aug-09 Left4Dead Flame Whores 23 17
15-Aug-09 ++The Legion++ Generation 1: The Clan 21 15
29-Aug-09 Immortal Assassins Bullet Proof Bandits 24 16
29-Aug-09 THOTA Death By Comity 31 4
25-Aug-09 Mythology Brethren of the Fat Mermaid 24 16
7-Sep-09 Dragon Lazorz Pew Pew Grim Reapers 14 6
10-Sep-09 Exictium Water's Fury 28 8
22-Sep-09 Nemesis Left4Dead 29 11
26-Sep-09 The Spanking Monkeys ++The Legion++ 22 18
28-Sep-09 The Odd Fellows Union Imperial Dragoons 24 16
1-Oct-09 Outlaws & Highwaymen Eternal Empire 16 14
23-Oct-09 Legends of War EMPIRE 36 24
23-Oct-09 ++The Legion++ Legends of the Zone 23 17
23-Oct-09 Flame Whores Grim Reapers 11 9
24-Oct-09 Agents of Chaos Mythology 20 20
6-Nov-09 Agents of Chaos The Regulators 14 6
15-Nov-09 Eternal Empire Left4Dead 20 20
26-Nov-09 Divine Domination Outlaws & Highwaymen 33 27
8-Dec-09 Soldiers of War Gorgonzola Pirates 15 6
12-Dec-09 EMPIRE Nemesis 41 23
18-Dec-09 The Last Warriors Legends of The Zone 31 29
3-Jan-10 The Odd Fellows Union Mythology 30 10
10-Jan-10 EMPIRE Agents of Chaos 38 22

[Knight2254]

Are the level averages and points based on standard deviations or how are they calculated?

Is rank based on the sum of the averages?

[jpcloet]

Are the level averages and points based on standard deviations or how are they calculated?

Is rank based on the sum of the averages?

Averages are averages. Points are (Win%-0.5)*DecayFactor*ChallengeSizeFactor

Rank is based on the AVG columns as noted in the specific order above.

[Knight2254]

The following ladder was approved by a vote of 24-2 (9Abstains) in the CLA on Nov 6th.

1. The ladder has both decay (aged out challenges) and depth (number of games in a challenge) weightings
Points calculation is (Win%-0.5)*DecayFactor*ChallengeSizeFactor
2. There is NO league data in here
3. In order to get an A rating, you need to have faced 2 A rated clans. If you performance against A clans is so poor, the committee (currently non-existent) can re-class a clan to a B rating.
4. Clans are sorted by class. A clans are sorted by Average A results. Clans in B are sorted first by A challenge only clans, and then by the rest based on their B class ratings.
5. Ratings will be released on the 15th of each month, and become recurring as to create a rhythm.

Not to be a pest, but what was the reasoning for having this A & B arbitrary designations? Does this take into account the records of A clans vs other A clans or is this based on the assumption that all A clans are equal? Is is accurate saying, based on this formula, that a 26-24 victory over thota is less valuable than a 27-23 victory over Generation 1: The clan (no offense to G1)? The RPI thing seemed pretty cool and at least I could figure it out, not sure why we switched to this.

[Chariot of Fire]

Q. Why are O&H ranked lower than SoW and LotZ when they have better points and averages in all categories? This is what I can't fathom.

If it's correct then the info on the table isn't sufficient to determine where one stands on the ladder. Perhaps a formula could be written above the chart - something to help a clan decide who it should be challenging to help its progress.

[jpcloet]

Clans in B are sorted first by A challenge only clans, and then by the rest based on their B class ratings.

I think you are suggesting to sort via A results (where and A challenge exists) rather than A only challenges.

[ahunda]

A clans are sorted by A Level AVG ?

++The Legion++ has a lower A Level AVG than IA & EMPIRE, but is ranked above them.

[jpcloet]

A clans are sorted by A Level AVG ?

++The Legion++ has a lower A Level AVG than IA & EMPIRE, but is ranked above them.

2nd to last column. I think you are looking at the totals, have to divide by number of challenges.

[ahunda]

2nd to last column shows:

++The Legion++ 0.00
IA 0.02
EMPIRE 0.01

[jpcloet]

Ah dang. Try sorting 3 parts of a list. Must be due to the missing challenge I added back in. Will fix right away.

[jpcloet]

Fixed?

[Knight2254]

Fixed?

Technically it's fixed -- but I still think it's broken beyond repair. Why don't we multiply all numbers on the chart by 100 at least. Do we really need every number to start with a "0." ?

[jpcloet]

I can do that, allows for 1 decimal to mean something. We did that with the ELO a while ago. No one said anything in the CLA.

[Qwert]

I know that you not visit Foundry,but please use

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[jpcloet]

I know that you not visit Foundry,but please use

Click image to enlarge.

You kill me sometimes qwert. I believe my map is actually in the Foundry right now. If not, I'm confused. The images are suggested to be used with BigImg, however, I'll speak to the mods in this area again if you like, I'm sure this one will be fine on just IMG. Thanks Qwert.

[pmchugh]

I aprreciate all the work you do JP, but in all honety the ladders don't really mean anything and are pretty innacurate. But I understand that getting a perfect or even reasonably accurate ladder that is sustained in its accuracy is near impossible.

[Qwert]

You kill me sometimes qwert. I believe my map is actually in the Foundry right now. If not, I'm confused. The images are suggested to be used with BigImg, however, I'll speak to the mods in this area again if you like, I'm sure this one will be fine on just IMG. Thanks Qwert.

the table is overlap with yours info(avatar ,date ,number of post,medals),but when you use bigimg,then all informacion is behind,and you can see all table clear.

[jpcloet]

My screen is fine, adjust your screen or get a new one.

[GrimReaper.]

I thought AoC was higher on the one we voted on? what caused us to go down?

[jpcloet]

I thought AoC was higher on the one we voted on? what caused us to go down?

You don't have an A challenge in the books.

[GrimReaper.]

Still we were number 16 on the ladder with out the regulator challenge. How could we fall that much?

[pmchugh]

I thought AoC was higher on the one we voted on? what caused us to go down?

You don't have an A challenge in the books.

Don't worry grim the ladders don't make sense, apparently losing 99-1 to an A rated clan is better than winning 99-1 against a B level clan

[andy_is_awesome]

This ladder is better? I'm not smart enough to read it JP (or maybe just too lazy). Can we make it more user friendly? I can't find my calculator.

Potentially good though, I think?

[Eyestone]

Well, I think this sucks All A-clans will now get tons of invites from B-clans so that the B-clans can become A-clans as well. But since playing a B-clan gives little of nothing in value to an A-clan we will propably struggle to get the valuable points we need to climb the ladder at all.

We're now number 28(!) on the rank even though we have played and finished 4 challenges, and not lost any of them. We got a nice draw against Mythology who are close to being an A-ranked clan but we don't get anything out of it because they are just below the magic line. We could as well have played a bottom ranked clan or a clan who hasn't had a previous challenge to get a better win-percentage...

And also like earlier pointed out: It doesn't make sense to say that A-level points are more worth than B-level points, no matter how many B-level points you have got. It's almost like saying that a country participating in the olympics winning one gold medal have done a better job than a country who has won 20 silver medals...

[Namor]

Unless I'm totally missing something here, then I see one hell of a problem with this ladder.

All clans can only really climb if they play an A rated clan.

So those in the top 11 spots are going to be inundated with requests for a challenge, whilst those in the bottom half are going to have difficulty finding any interest.

I can't make any sense of the stats either. Why is it that Imperial Dragoons have played 2 B level matches and Mythology have played 5, yet neither of them have any B level points.

AoC now have no choice but to make our next challenge against an A rated clan, or we can't climb any higher than 2 places. As much as we'd like to be able to challenge those from position 12-33, there seems little point.

I'm guessing that we will have trouble getting a challenge against an A rated, because they'll all be playing each other and would gain nothing in playing us.