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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby maasman on Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:55 pm

I completely understand the consistency issues, but new clans also are definitely not in the same position as wild geese. To me that trumps the consistency of the old rule and sets up consistency for a new one.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:59 pm

maasman wrote:I completely understand the consistency issues, but new clans also are definitely not in the same position as wild geese. To me that trumps the consistency of the old rule and sets up consistency for a new one.



KORT, TOFU, Wild Geese(to a lesser extent) We all had past clan members, and such. We all had to wait. They can also.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby owenshooter on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:19 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
maasman wrote:I completely understand the consistency issues, but new clans also are definitely not in the same position as wild geese. To me that trumps the consistency of the old rule and sets up consistency for a new one.



KORT, TOFU, Wild Geese(to a lesser extent) We all had past clan members, and such. We all had to wait. They can also.

i agree... they have absolutely no history of performance and that matters. as it stands, we could have 20 clans form in the morning and try to get in, just because they can. the wild geese can wait like the rest of us did, they aren't special, they are just a new clan with no track record...-the black jesus
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby maasman on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:52 pm

Huh, alright. I just figured since I think around 100% of them were in clans very recently that an exception could be made, but oh well.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby FarangDemon on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:59 pm

I agree with the dark prophet. CC needs consistency and I have just the metamucil:

I suggest a Steel Cage Match to consist of 30 games, all 2 vs 2 vs 2.

Wild Geese vs
lolkittens' "I need people for mah new clan *become high ranks*" vs
The Evil Paratroopers of London

3 clans enter, 1 clan leaves...
3 clans enter, 1 clan leaves...
3 clans..

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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Georgerx7di on Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:17 pm

How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:52 pm

It's not like it's a CC rule. It's a tourney and so it's the organiser's rule.

I don't recall any exclusions being made in C.Cup I, so why implement them now?

A clan is a clan. If they're not worth their salt then they won't get beyond the qualifiers.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby ljex on Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:03 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:It's not like it's a CC rule. It's a tourney and so it's the organiser's rule.

I don't recall any exclusions being made in C.Cup I, so why implement them now?

A clan is a clan. If they're not worth their salt then they won't get beyond the qualifiers.


same restriction was made for CC 1
Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby SirSebstar on Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:28 am

de Veroveraars der Lage Landen (VDLL) is in

Primary -MichelSableheart organizer
2ND - Frederik Hendrik
3th SirSebstar clanleader

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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:09 am

Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


Ljex is correct George, you all have until Friday. I would love to see TSM join us.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby IcePack on Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:04 pm

The problem with exceptions to the rule is if all came from clans let them in, so if 4 clans had ppl leave to combined a new of 25% membership of each clan (is: clan 1 clan 2 clan 3 clan 4 all contribute 25% of new clan A) would they get in?

What if half of clan A has members all from same clan and 50% new members? You just open the door for all kinds of "what if" scenarios. If u wanted to be treated like L4D and have the history count for L4D, then those "few new members" should be added to L4D not disband and make a new one.

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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby reptile on Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:56 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


Ljex is correct George, you all have until Friday. I would love to see TSM join us.


me too, tsm is one clan i like and enjoy playing against, seems like forever since we have faced you anywhere lol
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Georgerx7di on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:09 pm

reptile wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


Ljex is correct George, you all have until Friday. I would love to see TSM join us.


me too, tsm is one clan i like and enjoy playing against, seems like forever since we have faced you anywhere lol


We're on the fence. I think the problem, for many clans, is that ccup is just so long. Other clans have skipped cla and ccup2 because they are still playing in ccup1. It cannot eat up the entire year, its a really big commitment. We still have not come to a conclusion, but I'll say that the biggest stumbling block is just how long the cup is.

We're still playing cla. Just a thought, for ccup administrators (empire) to consider. You could cut a few wars shorter. Round 1 20 games, round 2 40 games? Get this thing done in 8 months or so, before cla. Just my thoughts, hopefully someone from tsm will give an definite answer before friday.

P.s. Would like to play low again soon too : )
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby josko.ri on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:44 pm

Georgerx7di wrote:
reptile wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


Ljex is correct George, you all have until Friday. I would love to see TSM join us.


me too, tsm is one clan i like and enjoy playing against, seems like forever since we have faced you anywhere lol


We're on the fence. I think the problem, for many clans, is that ccup is just so long. Other clans have skipped cla and ccup2 because they are still playing in ccup1. It cannot eat up the entire year, its a really big commitment. We still have not come to a conclusion, but I'll say that the biggest stumbling block is just how long the cup is.

We're still playing cla. Just a thought, for ccup administrators (empire) to consider. You could cut a few wars shorter. Round 1 20 games, round 2 40 games? Get this thing done in 8 months or so, before cla. Just my thoughts, hopefully someone from tsm will give an definite answer before friday.

P.s. Would like to play low again soon too : )

timeframe which Chuuuck suggested I think is good, and better fits than the last one of CCup1, which was really too long, but i think this time we will be on time with schedule. some overlapping is hard to avoid, but probably here will not be 32 clans signed up, so top clans will then get round of 32 bye, so i dont think it will be a lot of overlapping.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Georgerx7di on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:48 pm

If there was some kind of quasi-guarantee that it would be over by september or october, I think monki's would be in. What is the projected time frame anyway, I'm too drunk to look it up right now?
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby josko.ri on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:51 pm

you have it in the first post.


Play in games:
Round 1: Sunday, March 13
Round 2: Sunday March 27

Round of 16:
Round 1: Sunday April 24
Round 2: Sunday May 8

Round of 8:
Round 1: Sunday June 5
Round 2: Sunday June 19
Round 3: Sunday July 3

Final 4:
Round 1: Sunday July 31
Round 2: Sunday August 14
Round 3: Sunday August 28

Finals:
Round 1: Sunday September 25
Round 2: Sunday October 9
Round 3: Sunday October 23
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Georgerx7di on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:53 pm

This seems almost doable, like a 160 pound girl when you've had 4 beers : P
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby shocked439 on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:23 pm

Georgerx7di wrote:This seems almost doable, like a 160 pound girl when you've had 4 beers : P

That takes at least 6 in an hour and a half. Light weight... :D
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby jpeter15 on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:28 pm

Georgerx7di wrote:
reptile wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:How much more time do we have to decide if we are in?


Ljex is correct George, you all have until Friday. I would love to see TSM join us.


me too, tsm is one clan i like and enjoy playing against, seems like forever since we have faced you anywhere lol


We're on the fence. I think the problem, for many clans, is that ccup is just so long. Other clans have skipped cla and ccup2 because they are still playing in ccup1. It cannot eat up the entire year, its a really big commitment. We still have not come to a conclusion, but I'll say that the biggest stumbling block is just how long the cup is.

We're still playing cla. Just a thought, for ccup administrators (empire) to consider. You could cut a few wars shorter. Round 1 20 games, round 2 40 games? Get this thing done in 8 months or so, before cla. Just my thoughts, hopefully someone from tsm will give an definite answer before friday.

P.s. Would like to play low again soon too : )



I understand the feeling that it is too long, but once I looked at the schedule, it doesn't seem so bad. It is 4 challenges for the 2 teams that make it to the finals. The majority of clans that enter will only play in 2 challenges. It doesn't really seem like that huge of a commitment.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:45 pm

Only 4 beers? I'd be getting laid after lunch!

There's not much provision in those dates for a lengthy summer break.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Ace Rimmer on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:33 am

Georgerx7di wrote:This seems almost doable, like a 160 pound girl when you've had 4 beers : P


I'll show the love to the 160 lb girls without any beers.

You don't want R1 being 20 games because then it wouldn't count as a clan challenge, minimum is 41 games now.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:31 am

the timetable seems fair and reasonable for 4 challenges (if you run that deep)
last years ran so long as there was 2 decent size breaks and then some pretty decent delays in games being sent..
i think if people are more diligent in games being sent (game creation rights will help here) then it will run much smoother and faster :D
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:56 am

lord voldemort wrote:the timetable seems fair and reasonable for 4 challenges (if you run that deep)
last years ran so long as there was 2 decent size breaks and then some pretty decent delays in games being sent..
i think if people are more diligent in games being sent (game creation rights will help here) then it will run much smoother and faster :D



Both "delays" are with clans who had game rights at the time.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:03 am

well no 1 delay was cause they wanted a break..
the other was a whole other issue that really doesnt need to be talked about
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:19 am

If the TO is present this time then I expect it will go a whole lot smoother. His absence in CC1 meant it was left to the clans to set deadlines and a whole lot of requests to establish dates were simply overlooked.
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