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iAmCaffeine wrote:Couldn't be bothered to read the last two pages.
The process has already started so changing things now would be foolish. Wait until next time to have a rant.
ViperOverLord wrote:Leehar wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:instead of an elite group of people
I think it was asked earlier, but what exactly defines us as elite Viper?
Instead of digging in the dirt, which is what you presumably want to do with this question; how about you actually give your position on elections?
BoganGod wrote:I note that some of those most critical of CD's and most rabidly in favour of voting for CD appointments have, or have had a wish to be treated differently than everyone else.
ViperOverLord wrote:BoganGod wrote:I note that some of those most critical of CD's and most rabidly in favour of voting for CD appointments have, or have had a wish to be treated differently than everyone else.
This is a nonsense insinuation. I want elected CD's so that the collective will of the clan world is especially respected. You have absolutely no proof to back-up your assertion that I or anyone else wants special treatment through elections. In fact, the concept is ludicrous on its face.
HardAttack wrote:Is application period over ?
Am i any late to apply ?
VioIet wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:chemefreak wrote:
Which ones are elitist? The reluctant Head Clan Director Leehar? Nicky that works her ass off for clans? Or me, who has devoted hundreds (if not thousands) of hours to clans over the past 2.5 years? Pray tell...who do you speak of?
My statement speaks for itself. I see no point to finger pointing at individuals though. And, I can't help but notice that you skipped over the concept of elections.
I agree with Viper here. I am not at all confident that the current clan mods/directors can make a good decision. They lack common sense. Time spent has nothing to do with it. I think that the general public (those who are currently members of a clan) should be allowed to vote for who they would like to see in a leadership position.
BoganGod wrote:HardAttack wrote:Is application period over ?
Am i any late to apply ?
you would get my vote over viper...... If I was forced to vote to make the election fair and equitable.
ViperOverLord wrote:BG: Putting aside your ad hominem nonsense; I'll de-personalize it. Nobody that wants a voting system wants "special treatment." In no way, whatsoever does that even begin to make sense.
Also, the fact that CC is a commercial website has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the election of CDs is an applicable system. It's an utterly fallacious point to say otherwise. Nor is it a valid argument to walk us through all the hard work the CDs currently do. A voting system does not diminish anyone's efforts. In fact, if a CD feels his/her job is 'thankless' and gets voted out, then he/she can get that confirmation (so to speak) and decide upon using his/her time for better purposes. The intent of a voting system is to find the CDs that the community thinks will best serve the clanning system during any given period. Nobody should frankly have a problem with that. If you think the CDs are so great and wonderful, then you'll vote for them and they'll have an official validation of the community.
greenoaks wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:why is CC not allowed to decide who they let volunteer, it is not our site?
grifftron wrote:Man VOL. Its really important to you to push for people elected mods. What if it does happen someday and those mods end up being people that you don't like once again... than what?
They are not going to change the system because 2-3 people don't like the current mods.
-griff
angola wrote:You think The Pack is apart of insider politics in relation to the CDs? Are you new to the clan scene?
grifftron wrote:For the record, I don't know, or talk to any of the current CD's...
So your talking about making false statements... there is no "inside" clan world.. its all in your head bhra.. its a risk gaming site, we come here to play games. If there is by chance, a 5-6 people scene of a so called "insider politics", I don't see how this will effect wars, and it for sure wont effect how your dice roll in a game... time to move on
edit: opps hold on.. i see your in the CDF... THAT WOULD BE THE INSIDE CLAN WORLD... your more inside than me my friend.
-griff
TheMissionary wrote:Look at the American government. Everyday people are complaining about Congress, the President, Laws, Bills, ect. The people elected these people, and then as soon as it doesn't go their way, the are the first ones to point the finger. The majority rarely takes the time to research their votes. They just expect things to be 'different'. The only way things change is when people come together and address things as a whole. Let your opinion out, and a seed is planted. This doesn't mean it will be in effect over night. Just like a tree, an idea has to grow. As things grow they change, adapt to their surroundings. This site has been around for a while, there is still a lot of growing to do. So I say, instead of lashing out at the imperfections(that will always be there), put forth the effort to change things. Sitting around complaining and lashing out, at a system that does it's best to find a median for everyone, isn't going to solve anything.
ViperOverLord wrote:TheMissionary wrote:Look at the American government. Everyday people are complaining about Congress, the President, Laws, Bills, ect. The people elected these people, and then as soon as it doesn't go their way, the are the first ones to point the finger. The majority rarely takes the time to research their votes. They just expect things to be 'different'. The only way things change is when people come together and address things as a whole. Let your opinion out, and a seed is planted. This doesn't mean it will be in effect over night. Just like a tree, an idea has to grow. As things grow they change, adapt to their surroundings. This site has been around for a while, there is still a lot of growing to do. So I say, instead of lashing out at the imperfections(that will always be there), put forth the effort to change things. Sitting around complaining and lashing out, at a system that does it's best to find a median for everyone, isn't going to solve anything.
This is a nice flowery speech. But, realistically, it's not an argument for or against elections per se. My view on elections is not that it makes everything better or perfect; merely that it's the right step in the right direction.
TheMissionary wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I am not saying I am for, or against elections. I am simply stating that elections do not change things, people do. This isn't a totalitarian system, why fight against it? Everyone's considerations are taken into account. You can't please all the people, all the time, but you can please some of the people, some of the time.
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