California [Quenched]

[Victor Sullivan]

One of the things I've always disliked---is a mix between realism---photographs---and drawn images---the landmass and other emblems. If the photo looked like the bear in style, I'd give it my thumbs up.


--Andy

I guess you didn't like Who Framed Roger Rabbit then...

That's different than a map by a long shot.


--Andy

Avoiding the question! just admit it already! you hate Who Framed Roger Rabbit and had an empty childhood as a result!

I know I felt empty until I saw it... Did you at least see Osmosis Jones? That was a decent movie. But thats beside the point. All of my graphical fuddy duddies have been melted to a fine chocolately goo with which to top various sweet confections, so I have no further issues with the delicious image set before our eyes to munch slowly, whilest enjoying the violence cast upon California in censored numbers, so the little ones may enjoy it too...

[Blitzaholic]

looks like a cool map bison king

keep up the good work

[Fear the Tree]

I am from California. LA and San Diego are just about all one ginormous city. You can drive 4 hours to cross it. About the perspective, I was just offering something up for your consideration.

Not really...Coming down the I-5 you enter the greater LA Area. If your driving late night/early morning you can get to Irvine in 40 mins. After Irvine/San Juan Capistrano there is really nothing between that area and SD except Oceanside. Most of Greater SD area is off the 15. I think this map is excellent and i cant wait to play it. Also, i must say ports would be a bad idea.

[The Bison King]

About graphics, i personally think that when borders and connection will be fixed the map could be ready for a short sticky period and then moving to the FF.

Whatever happened to this? It's been about a month now since this was stickied. If there's something specific you're waiting to see please tell me so that I can make whatever changes are needed?

[jefjef]

Hey Bison have you considered/tried to put the ocean pics/drawing at the same level? (Lower the left image to match the ocean level of the title image) That may transition it better.

[The Bison King]

Hey Bison have you considered/tried to put the ocean pics/drawing at the same level? (Lower the left image to match the ocean level of the title image) That may transition it better.

I actually have considered doing that. I'll try that later today.

[Industrial Helix]

About graphics, i personally think that when borders and connection will be fixed the map could be ready for a short sticky period and then moving to the FF.

Whatever happened to this? It's been about a month now since this was stickied. If there's something specific you're waiting to see please tell me so that I can make whatever changes are needed?

Concern over a unified theme for the map. Four carto mods have posted regarding this already.

[The Bison King]

About graphics, i personally think that when borders and connection will be fixed the map could be ready for a short sticky period and then moving to the FF.

Whatever happened to this? It's been about a month now since this was stickied. If there's something specific you're waiting to see please tell me so that I can make whatever changes are needed?

Concern over a unified theme for the map. Four carto mods have posted regarding this already.

Help me out here. saying that the "theme" is dis unified is extremely vague and subjective. I want to work with you guys to get this in the forge but I need a more clear sense of what needs to happen.

[Industrial Helix]

Your biggest problem is the clash of the photo and the painting, which is what Andy mentioned and it pretty much echos the sentiments of the rest of us.

The legend is just kind of thrown in there with your signature and the title. In fact, that whole side of the image just doesn't fit. I mentioned before changing the font on the minimap and the Cities bonus area to the same font as the rest of the map. I think this could go a long way to tie in that area with the rest of the map.

Redbaron mentioned the title and how "The golden state of..." doesn't bring anything to the table. It'd be one thing if you did the map in shades of gold, but you didn't.

[Victor Sullivan]

Your biggest problem is the clash of the photo and the painting, which is what Andy mentioned and it pretty much echos the sentiments of the rest of us.

The legend is just kind of thrown in there with your signature and the title. In fact, that whole side of the image just doesn't fit. I mentioned before changing the font on the minimap and the Cities bonus area to the same font as the rest of the map. I think this could go a long way to tie in that area with the rest of the map.

Redbaron mentioned the title and how "The golden state of..." doesn't bring anything to the table. It'd be one thing if you did the map in shades of gold, but you didn't.

The golden sun? Anyways, and I swear I'm not TBK's b*tch, if you know what I mean, but I think the pictures with the watercolor work well, actually, even though, like Andy said, it generally doesn't work. Idk... I'm rather satisfied with this product.

-Sully

[The Bison King]

Your biggest problem is the clash of the photo and the painting, which is what Andy mentioned and it pretty much echos the sentiments of the rest of us.

Lot's of maps use photographs, and that photograph of the sunset has actually got a number of compliments, it was actually a suggestion made by someone on the forums and not my original idea.

The legend is just kind of thrown in there with your signature and the title. In fact, that whole side of the image just doesn't fit. I mentioned before changing the font on the minimap and the Cities bonus area to the same font as the rest of the map. I think this could go a long way to tie in that area with the rest of the map.

Fine I'll change the font.

Redbaron mentioned the title and how "The golden state of..." doesn't bring anything to the table. It'd be one thing if you did the map in shades of gold, but you didn't.

It says "The golden state of" Because California is the Golden state! that doesn't need any justification. Why does India say "Her Majesty Queen Victorias"? Or why does England say "Green and Pleasant land"?

Besides it actually does coincide with the theme:

A.)The Stars are Gold.

B.)The whole map DOES have a gold tint to it especially the Legend

C.)It's supposed to make it look more like a travel "touristy" map which was sort of the whole idea.

[theBastard]

Anyways, and I swear I'm not TBK's b*tch, if you know what I mean,
-Sully

I can also hear The Bison King´s opinion on this

[The Bison King]

I lined up the Photo's like Jeff Jeff mentioned. Here's what it looks like with all legend fonts in Baja (which doesn't have numbers BTW).I think it looks ok on the mini map but I think it looks Really bad on the Insets and City parts of the legend. Maybe it's just me but I really think it's better when not every font has to slap you in the face with how original it is.

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I think this looks way better:

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To me the second one looks completely confident while the top one looks like it's desperately trying to grab your attention.

[Industrial Helix]

Hmm... any thoughts about the legend? What about no minimap and just using colored text?

[The Bison King]

Hmm... any thoughts about the legend? What about no minimap and just using colored text?

I prefer Mini maps when they can fit. They're easier to read at a glance.

[theBastard]

Bison King, you are realy very skilled in graphics, so I believe you can make the photo as drawn picture (by your hand or using any trick with any paint program). I´ve tried to do something with it and it looks better when all map (playable map and backgroung) look alike. I used "filters" in GIMP, but must say unfortunately I´m not very skilled...

[theBastard]

Hmm... any thoughts about the legend? What about no minimap and just using colored text?

I prefer Mini maps when they can fit. They're easier to read at a glance.

minimap is good...

[Victor Sullivan]

For the two you posted above, I say keep the font for Bay Area and L.A. on the first, but keep the rest like the second, though I think I'd prefer the font you had before for the minimap.

[The Bison King]

Bison King, you are realy very skilled in graphics, so I believe you can make the photo as drawn picture (by your hand or using any trick with any paint program). I´ve tried to do something with it and it looks better when all map (playable map and backgroung) look alike. I used "filters" in GIMP, but must say unfortunately I´m not very skilled...

Like a posterize filter or something? it might look good. I could try it out but often those can look sort of cheezy.

For the two you posted above, I say keep the font for Bay Area and L.A. on the first, but keep the rest like the second, though I think I'd prefer the font you had before for the minimap.

That doesn't make much sense to me. I think that would make the image very visually unbalanced.

If:
A=regular font (Calisto MT)
B=Baja

on the last post #1 is

B B B

#2 is:

A B A

but what you are suggesting is

B B A

[Industrial Helix]

Generally I prefer minimaps too... but the repeated pattern of California is an unpleasant thing, imo.

Speaking of the background... I'm generally wary of posterize filters because they make things look generic. I'm not saying don't try it, do try it and see if you can get it to work.

[The Bison King]

First here is the Image with some added drop shadows, a suggestion I remember Natty making a while ago:

1.

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And here is the some variations on the background using different filters:

2.

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3.

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4.

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[Victor Sullivan]

I think 2 or 3 could work. And BBA, TBK!

[jefjef]

#1 looks really good!

As you progress the sunset/bridge really distorts.

[natty dread]

I actually like #4.

[AndyDufresne]

I actually like #4.

Wholeheartedly. It is by far my favorite.


--Andy