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Re: Re-Think the rank restriction rejection.

Postby jammyjames on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:22 pm

jefjef wrote:Personally since officers are the premier "farmers" there should be restrictions to block ? - cooks & cadets from joining a game that includes an officer.

Make em earn their stripes 1st.


i beleive that to be a good idea. however only on the maps that are deemed hard maps... all of this argument in these forums because one webmaster cant have his moderation team kick themselves in the f*cking arses and do something about the fuedal argument...
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Re: Re-Think the rank restriction rejection.

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:55 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:[*]This will NOT make farming easier. Simply make a restriction that your rank must be within the limits. In that case, a major trying to farm lets every captain, lieutenant, sergeant etc. on the scoreboard join. Not exactly farming... especially hard to farm premium members either way.

Congratulations to everyone reading this in the first post.
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Re: Suggestion: "Start a Game" with a specific rating range

Postby Queen_Herpes on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:07 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Your best way to do this is start a game private and invite someone close to your rank or post the password in callouts looking for a player within 200 points of you either way.


Or, his suggestion could be considered for implementation. He did post it in the suggestion report forum.

Sounds like cjbpulp wants to avoid getting hammered (essentially make his experience on the site much better), which is what I am trying to help with my suggestion about limiting new players to specific maps.

I like this suggestion from cjbpulp very much because it allows new players to limit who can play against them. Similarly, it allows higher ranks to limit their points being spirited away by preventing low ranks from joining.

Great suggestion CJBPULP, please keep them coming.
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Re: Suggestion: "Start a Game" with a specific rating range

Postby AAFitz on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:43 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:Your best way to do this is start a game private and invite someone close to your rank or post the password in callouts looking for a player within 200 points of you either way.


Or, his suggestion could be considered for implementation. He did post it in the suggestion report forum.

Sounds like cjbpulp wants to avoid getting hammered (essentially make his experience on the site much better), which is what I am trying to help with my suggestion about limiting new players to specific maps.

I like this suggestion from cjbpulp very much because it allows new players to limit who can play against them. Similarly, it allows higher ranks to limit their points being spirited away by preventing low ranks from joining.

Great suggestion CJBPULP, please keep them coming.


His suggestion HAS been considered. It was considered in the first 50 threads suggesting the same thing, and denied for the same reason and explanation as they always have and will be. CC will not discriminate against rank. There are many options available to play against any given rank, and to play against ones own rank, or always a lower rank, or always a higher rank.

Between the invites, foe list, the wall, the pms, live chat, and the callouts forum, it is simply easy to play against whatever ranks you choose for any given game. What you CANNOT do, is discriminate against players in open games, simply BECAUSE of their rank unilaterally.
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Re: Suggestion: "Start a Game" with a specific rating range

Postby Queen_Herpes on Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:26 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:Your best way to do this is start a game private and invite someone close to your rank or post the password in callouts looking for a player within 200 points of you either way.


Or, his suggestion could be considered for implementation. He did post it in the suggestion report forum.

Sounds like cjbpulp wants to avoid getting hammered (essentially make his experience on the site much better), which is what I am trying to help with my suggestion about limiting new players to specific maps.

I like this suggestion from cjbpulp very much because it allows new players to limit who can play against them. Similarly, it allows higher ranks to limit their points being spirited away by preventing low ranks from joining.

Great suggestion CJBPULP, please keep them coming.



CJBPULP, As mentioned, just want to give you kudos for posting on the suggestion and bugs forum. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. It seems like you and a lot of other players have concerns about playing players of certain ranks. Perhaps you can come up with a suggestion (or comment on other suggestions) that speak to your basic concerns. From my perspective, you are interested in making your playing experience on this site better. If you enjoy it, you'll probably stick around, and I'm all for that. CJBPULP, do you have another idea, aside from the solution you offered here, that can help make you experience ont he site better?
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Re: Suggestion: "Block Freemium" option

Postby AeroMate on Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:39 am

FILTER THE N00BZ OUT!
I AM SUGGESTING THAT A FILTER IS MADE FOR MINIMAL SCORES. ALL I WANT IS TO BLOCK ALL PLAYERS FROM JOINING MY GAMES. THIS GAME RELIES ON A LOT OF LUCK! I AM TIRED OF COOKS, PRIVATES, CORPORALS, AND SERGEANTS RAMPAGING INTO MY LITTLE PLACE OF PEACE, IT BREAKS ME TO LOSE SO MANY POINTS WHEN I CAN GAIN SO LITTLE! BASICALLY, I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE, IT ISNT FAIR THAT I CANT PREVENT THESE GUYS FROM JOINING, TO STEAL WAY MORE POINTS THAN THEY RISK LOSING. IT IS INCONVENIENT TO FOE EVERYONE OR USE THE PRIVATE GAME FEATURE DUE TO THE FACT THAT I MUST INVITE FOLKS TO JOIN. :sick: OKAY I AM DONE NOW! :twisted:
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Re: Suggestion: "Block Freemium" option

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:50 am

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Min/max rank

Postby vodean on Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:55 am

Concise description:
  • I know this has been rejected several times because it is 'unfair' or whatever
  • maybe if there was min+max, it would be more liked

Specifics:
  • Low rankers would not have to be crushed by unwanted generals
  • high rankers would not have to be bored by unwanted cooks.
  • In the same category, an option for min/max games completed
  • or even min % turns taken

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • freemies will not have time wasted by turn missers
  • high rankers would not have to be bored by unwanted cooks.
  • People could get rid of newbies who dont know how to play.
  • might help prevent farming
  • Low rankers would not have to be crushed by unwanted generals
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Re: Min/max rank

Postby darth emperor on Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:18 pm

vodean wrote:.
[*]People could get rid of newbies who dont know how to play.

And how they'll learn??? Like that no one who is new (even if he knows how to play) could play (except with another newbs) then only will be the old members playing.


For example in the begining I didnt know how to play,exactly how to change the cards,I remeber myself trying combinations and never succeed the combination and losing my turn because i couldnt change cards...loosing games that i had chances of wining lol, but then after trying (and reading the instruccions of that game who looks like CC I continued playing and Im here but with this "thing" I wouldnt have the chance to play more and I wouldnt be here
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Re: Min/max rank

Postby jammyjames on Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:34 pm

in fairness to vodean.. with some of the points he has raised it does make this seem a more substancial update..
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Re: Min/max rank

Postby vodean on Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:40 am

maybe a max difference in rank of 3 ranks.
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Rank Restricted Games

Postby Hamtrigger on Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:44 am

Everyone knows that a good risk game consist of good play from all players across the board. While I'm not trying to discriminate against those less competetive players. Somthing needs to be done about them joinig high ranking games. I always host my games, always. And I always get at least one VERY LOW level player. And 80% of the time he results in the obvious and preventable win for one certain player. Normally this is by attacking a wweaker player while the stronger one takes the game winning position. My suggestion is game option.

Lowest Rank Allowed to Join this game

and maybe another for

Highest Rank Allowed to join this game (must be at least the same rank as host)

This would allow for hosts to get a competitive game without two things: Higher ranked players farming lower ranked games, and lower ranked players screwing up higher ranked games.
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Re: Rank Restricted Games

Postby jpcloet on Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:49 am

This idea has been rejected probably a 100 times over. There are alternatives being the informal rank restrictions in the callouts area.....

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choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby eddie2 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:43 am

just another idea. would it be possible to have somthing in set up games that will allow us the choice of minimum rank requirement for joining the games.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby ljex on Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:52 am

suggested and denied a million times.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby rutty on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:41 pm

I would like to suggest that it would be great to have optional upper & optional lower limits for players to enter a game. Can you please respond with a good reason why this idea has been rejected a milion times.

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Re: Rank Requirement *rejected*

Postby rutty on Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:17 pm

Upper and lower limits as entry requirement option

There are clearly a lot of players interested in this option. Can you tell me what percentage of premium players would have to show an interest in this option for it to be implemented?
Could we have a questionaire circulated to gauge interest?
'Just quid suggesting this' as a reply, would give me the impression that so many players are interested in this option, that its getting annoying.

Also i've not seen any posts on upper limits, just lower limits. Have i not looked properly or has nobody mentioned this yet?

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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby eddie2 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:27 pm

also would this not take the farming out of the game. because if lower ranks can stop high ranks from playing they then will not be able to put this accusation up.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby 72o on Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:06 pm

rutty wrote:I would like to suggest that it would be great to have optional upper & optional lower limits for players to enter a game. Can you please respond with a good reason why this idea has been rejected a milion times.

Regards,

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I think a lot of people, including myself, would agree with you, but lack is concerned that this would create too many issues, and lower ranks and noobs would be excluded too often. So, you have private games as your option to avoid low ranks.

Another idea I had, that was shot down by the powers that be, was to create a script that would parse through the scoreboard and automatically foe people who had characteristics you selected, such as low score, low turns taken percentage, low rating, etc. If I knew how to code, I would make it myself, but I do not.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby eddie2 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:27 pm

or you could have set points for games depending on difficulty level of game
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby jefjef on Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:26 pm

This absolutely ends farming. many have attempted to push this suggestion thru.

I support blocking ?? from joining games officers are in but the 5 games of being non-ranked are just too much segregation in the eyes of CC . They have no real interest inhibiting or preventing what they classify as farming.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby Sturgeron.15 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:31 pm

72o wrote:
rutty wrote:I would like to suggest that it would be great to have optional upper & optional lower limits for players to enter a game. Can you please respond with a good reason why this idea has been rejected a milion times.

Regards,

Rutty


I think a lot of people, including myself, would agree with you, but lack is concerned that this would create too many issues, and lower ranks and noobs would be excluded too often. So, you have private games as your option to avoid low ranks.


Could it not be created so that you could only exclude people with more than a 2,000 point difference. Then it could work both ways. Of course not everyone is going to use this anyway: from what I've seen it would be the small majority that actually play Private Escalating games.
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Re: choice of minimum ranks to join games

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:19 pm

72o wrote:I think a lot of people, including myself, would agree with you, but lack is concerned that this would create too many issues, and lower ranks and noobs would be excluded too often.


A feeling which has no basis at all in logic. Those newbies/cooks/cadets SHOULD be playing other newbies/cooks/cadets (Lord knows, there are plenty of them). If the player is actually any good at all, then they will rise above that level almost immediately by doing so anyway, so no harm and no foul...they're that quickly able to play games against higher ranks.

jefjef wrote:This absolutely ends farming. many have attempted to push this suggestion thru.

I support blocking ?? from joining games officers are in but the 5 games of being non-ranked are just too much segregation in the eyes of CC . They have no real interest inhibiting or preventing what they classify as farming.


This is correct. I am convinced that CC actually prefers farming to occur. Why, I do not understand, as it certainly doesn't assist their business model.
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Re: Rank Requirement

Postby rutty on Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:46 pm

gdeangel wrote:This is a good idea. I suggested something like this too... all that is needed to make it fair is to make is so you shouldn't be able to set it higher than the rank that is a few ranks below you. Then there is no reason you can't still have a site with good quality inter-rank play.


I don't think it would be a good idea to restrict the upper and lower limits in any way. If a cook were to specify opponents with a lower limit of 2400 and no upper limit than i think he/she should be allowed to do that. Marked forces will decide if that game will be played! Fairness is not really an issue here.

As for discrimination of weaker players:
Unlike a game like poker where a difference in playing skill does not make for a bad game per se, conquer club or risk is very sensitive to difference in skill levels. One player can very easily destroy an 8 player game in one unthinking move. That is why its important to have the option to invite players of a similar level. be that low or high. The private game option gives players a way to discriminate as does the friends and foes list. All these options are widely used and liked. Discrimination of weaker players is a feature of conquer club and the marked demands it.

Private games:
I only play private games speed and 24hr. I've got about 60 friends in my friends list and many of whom expect to be invited to games where all opponents are 1600+ or 1800+ or 2000+. every time i'm setting up a game i have to check my friends list to see what each individual players rank is to see if they qualify for a specific points range. If friends would have they're rank next to their name in the friends list it would be easy to scroll through, but since they do not, i have to click on the name, wait for the page to load and check the ranking. This process takes ages. The other drawback of this system of inviting is that i only play against players who are in my friends list. So by adding an optional top and bottom limit to the game setup i would infact be playing a larger number of different players! Because I do not have access to all elligable players when i start a private speed game, it sometimes takes ages to fill, which is a real pain for players with limited time on they're hands.

It seems that not implementing this simple suggestion is going against marked forces. Players want to choose the opponents skill level, they allready do it through private games. It could be made more user friendly.

I hope you will re-visit issue

Regards,

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Re: Rank Requirement *rejected*

Postby FarangDemon on Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:21 pm

It would make it easier for players who want to play their peers to automatically organize games. This is not everyone's definition of fun, though I think it would be good for the competitive aspect of this site. It takes more effort to screen potential people and send mass pms and its a shame that it must be done that way.

There is a problem remaining - there is a not-uncommonly held belief that some of the highest ranked players are not really as skilled as their scores indicate. People with this conviction are going to be against any kind of avenue for allowing high ranked players to easily filter out the lower ranked from their games, seeing that as a form of point incest where the high ranked maintain their pool of incestuous, imbred points by only playing one another, thus denying some of the worthier lower-ranked a shot at their points.

I understand this theoretical possibility, but in the long run, I think CC will be made more competitive by implementing the suggestion.
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