[Rules] [GP] Neutralize Territories if team member is kicked

Suggestions that have been archived.

Moderator: Community Team

[Rules] [GP] Neutralize Territories if team member is kicked

Postby cenamom on Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:21 pm

MOD EDIT: There have been at least a few suggestions on how to deal with the perceived problem of users who get kicked out of team games and what to do with their spoils, troops and territories. While none of the following three suggestions are entirely clear on the mechanics of what the solution to this problem should be, they all derive from the same source and arrive at similar conclusions.

The following three suggestions have been MERGED and REJECTED.

12/28/2006: zorba_ca suggests we should modify the rule to neutralize terrirtories only in No Spoils games

12/8/2009: Fridayknight says that we should "have a look" at the the deadbeat problem.

5/30/11 gumby7524 says that when a teammate deadbeats the rest of the team "should suffer as much as the other teams have suffered"

11/4/12: chewie1 says that in the case of a deadbeat or rules violation that it "become like in terminator games where cards and territs are still up for grabs ... or just become straight neutrals"

The current system that is in place attempts to not punish innocent victims of the deadbeating or rules violations whether they be teammates or opponents of the deadbeat or violator. If someone is taking advantage of these rules, then you are free to fill out a Cheating and Abuse Report to address the problem. But for now, the rarity of the perceived problem and the amount of effort that would go in to "fixing" it means that it's not likely that this system will change.

As yeti_c points out:

yeti_c wrote:
If you can't kill of a team that is only playing half of the time in 3 goes - then you shouldn't bother playing... or you were going to lose anyway.

C.


But perhaps there is a solution to be found here:

1/15/10: karelpietertje says that in the case of a rules violation, the teammates should simply take over and "play for the busted player"

Unlike the first three mentioned suggestions, Karel's suggestion has been Submitted and is probably the only avenue that is likely to be taken by CC.

If you see any other suggestions that should be merged here, please post in the thread or inform a moderator. Thanks, as always, for reading --agentcom

Per new policy, suggestions involving splitting deadbeat territories between remaining teammates as well as those suggesting current policy (giving deadbeat territories to the player furthest behind in troops) have been merged into this thread.This policy has been changed multiple times over the years, and the threads often discuss the pros and cons of both sides.
User avatar
Corporal cenamom
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:03 pm
Location: Chicago
Medals: 8
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)

Postby moz976 on Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:26 pm

That is why I stopped playing team games unless I previously knew my teammates. I would either get stuck with a deadbeat or someone who didn't know it was a team game and thought attacking only me would be a good idea.
User avatar
Private 1st Class moz976
 
Posts: 1132
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:15 pm
Location: Georgia, USA
Medals: 8
Standard Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1) General Contribution (3)

Postby Marvaddin on Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:54 pm

Because of it I am having a good partnership with Scud (better mention it before someone can accuse us :lol: ). Try find one permanent partner between those players you already know. And dont forget yourself: use deadbeats troops to protect yours :D

Ps: if you want, we can make a experience as partners (after I have a free slot)... my number of partners is growing, so soon I can found a clan. :wink:
User avatar
Major Marvaddin
 
Posts: 2545
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:06 pm
Location: Belo Horizonte, Brazil
Medals: 12
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
Map Contribution (3)

Postby kingwaffles on Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:56 pm

Ya I agree with Marvaddin, finding a partner you can play well with works well and makes games much more enjoyable than trying to get along in a game with someone you cant even talk to. At the moment I only have one real partner(Dagreatbroomhead) but I'm looking for more people to paly with.
Image
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class kingwaffles
 
Posts: 718
Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:05 am
Location: Pseudopolis Yard, Ankh Morpork, Discworld

[Rules] Neutralize Territories if team member is kicked

Postby Machine on Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:52 am

MOD EDIT: There have been at least a few suggestions on how to deal with the perceived problem of users who get kicked out of team games and what to do with their spoils, troops and territories. While none of the following three suggestions are entirely clear on the mechanics of what the solution to this problem should be, they all derive from the same source and arrive at similar conclusions.

The following three suggestions have been MERGED and REJECTED.

12/28/2006: zorba_ca suggests we should modify the rule to neutralize terrirtories only in No Spoils games

12/8/2009: Fridayknight says that we should "have a look" at the the deadbeat problem.

5/30/11 gumby7524 says that when a teammate deadbeats the rest of the team "should suffer as much as the other teams have suffered"

11/4/12: chewie1 says that in the case of a deadbeat or rules violation that it "become like in terminator games where cards and territs are still up for grabs ... or just become straight neutrals"

The current system that is in place attempts to not punish innocent victims of the deadbeating or rules violations whether they be teammates or opponents of the deadbeat or violator. If someone is taking advantage of these rules, then you are free to fill out a Cheating and Abuse Report to address the problem. But for now, the rarity of the perceived problem and the amount of effort that would go in to "fixing" it means that it's not likely that this system will change.

As yeti_c points out:

yeti_c wrote:
If you can't kill of a team that is only playing half of the time in 3 goes - then you shouldn't bother playing... or you were going to lose anyway.

C.


But perhaps there is a solution to be found here:

1/15/10: karelpietertje says that in the case of a rules violation, the teammates should simply take over and "play for the busted player"

Unlike the first three mentioned suggestions, Karel's suggestion has been Submitted and is probably the only avenue that is likely to be taken by CC.

If you see any other suggestions that should be merged here, please post in the thread or inform a moderator. Thanks, as always, for reading --agentcom

Per new policy, suggestions involving splitting deadbeat territories between remaining teammates as well as those suggesting current policy (giving deadbeat territories to the player furthest behind in troops) have been merged into this thread.This policy has been changed multiple times over the years, and the threads often discuss the pros and cons of both sides.
Last edited by JamesKer1 on Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:10 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Cook Machine
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:43 am

Team Games

Postby Giff07 on Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:51 pm

I just took part in a team game where my partner was a deadbeat and of course i took a severe beating.

Its a bit harsh losing points because i was let down by a partner and think this should be changed somehow.

Also would it be possible for a partner of the deadbeat to take over the deadbeats army?
Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you're doing and listen. Cannonball!
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Giff07
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:12 pm
Location: Glasgow

I agree

Postby wolfman on Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:04 pm

i couln't agree more. I think that if your partner is a deadbeat then you should be given there sare of points
Cadet wolfman
 
Posts: 56
Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:47 pm
Location: Buckeye Arizona of the U.S.A.

Re: I agree

Postby areyouincahoots on Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:06 pm

wolfman wrote:i couln't agree more. I think that if your partner is a deadbeat then you should be given there sare of points


I can imagine how frustrating this could be...I know this had been said before, but I would suggest only entering into team game with a partner who you already know and trust...
"It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds." -Doc Holliday
User avatar
Private 1st Class areyouincahoots
 
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:34 pm
Location: Arkansas
Medals: 8
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:52 pm

But for those without friends...what are they to do? ;)

--Andy
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class AndyDufresne
Retired Administrator
 
Posts: 26016
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:22 pm
Location: A Banana Palm in Zihuatanejo
Medals: 20
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) General Achievement (4) General Contribution (2)

Postby areyouincahoots on Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:55 pm

join xigames and make friends!!! lol :lol:
"It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds." -Doc Holliday
User avatar
Private 1st Class areyouincahoots
 
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:34 pm
Location: Arkansas
Medals: 8
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby nhulbert on Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:00 pm

*giggles giddishly*
Major nhulbert
 
Posts: 54
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:51 am
Location: Wisconsin, U.S.
Medals: 17
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
Ratings Achievement (2)

Team games (teammate booted)

Postby patakylaw on Tue May 23, 2006 8:53 am

If you are in team game and your "teammate" does not play for 3 turns and is booted, I think his countries should become yours and not additional countries you have to conquer, any thoughts?
Sergeant patakylaw
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 3:54 pm
Location: USA

Postby Riyanna on Tue May 23, 2006 10:05 am

Yeah, it's the least the game can do to compensate you for such a loss.
Image
2006-11-18 20:15:40 - Fireside Poet: lol ... don't get her mad.
2006-11-18 20:18:40 - Fireside Poet: Riyannawrath (tm) would ensue.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Riyanna
 
Posts: 87
Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:52 pm
Location: Elsewhere
Medals: 9
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Team Deadbeats

Postby Skriptal on Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:08 pm

I think that in a game where you have a person Deadbeat who is part of a team, the teammates should get their territories. This would prevent times when a teammate deadbeats out and a team is left with a disadvantage because all his teammates territories are useless.
Private Skriptal
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Sat May 27, 2006 2:06 pm
Medals: 5
Standard Achievement (1) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby gavin_sidhu on Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:33 am

sounds reasonable
User avatar
Lieutenant gavin_sidhu
 
Posts: 1428
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 6:16 am
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Postby Skriptal on Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:52 pm

something really needs to be done about team deadbeats.... its so annoying
Private Skriptal
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Sat May 27, 2006 2:06 pm
Medals: 5
Standard Achievement (1) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby zip_disk on Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:17 pm

Currently the best way to avoid this is not to play in games with rookies since they're the most likely to deadbeat. In your games though the rookies joined afterwards, if you really want to avoid that you should be the last person to enter a team rather than the first. That way you know you won't end up with a rookie unless someone quits first and changes the order.

Getting the teammate's units however sounds like a bad idea under the current rules. Currently a deadbeat gets none of the points if their team wins so I think all the points go to the other player.

This creates a situation ripe for abuse since a player can create multis (All the multi has to do is join a game with the main account. That's it.), get all the armies when the multi deadbeats, and then play like a single player with a huge territory. Then if the player wins the game, they get double the amount of points they'd normally get in a team game since they don't have to share with the deadbeat.
Captain zip_disk
 
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:33 pm
Medals: 10
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1) Assassin Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby Skriptal on Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:15 pm

I understand that, but when you are alone and if you have invested massive amounts of units in a teammates territory they are basically useless. Leaving you at a massive disadvantage. and the chances of a normal player beating at least 2 other people or maybe 4 others, is very difficult if not impossible.

The multi's is another thing. Its the same as a person creating 5 multis and then playing a 5v1 and getting the points from that. its no different, but what can you do about that?
Private Skriptal
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Sat May 27, 2006 2:06 pm
Medals: 5
Standard Achievement (1) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby zip_disk on Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:25 am

Skriptal wrote:I understand that, but when you are alone and if you have invested massive amounts of units in a teammates territory they are basically useless. Leaving you at a massive disadvantage. and the chances of a normal player beating at least 2 other people or maybe 4 others, is very difficult if not impossible.

The multi's is another thing. Its the same as a person creating 5 multis and then playing a 5v1 and getting the points from that. its no different, but what can you do about that?


Generally speaking I don't invest troops into my teammates unless I feel that I can trust them to some degree. Most players with ranking you can trust to some degree so I don't hesitate but rookies I might wait a turn or 2 just to see if they play.

On your second point there is a bit of difference. With that rule change the deadbeat multi only has join a game. With many multis you need multiple computers and play at least 2 turns with all of them. Even more turns if you don't want to be blatantly obvious about it. Plus its rather obvious if it happens often. Deadbeat partners aren't that rare an event.

As many people say, the best protection against it is to play with people you know won't deadbeat.
Captain zip_disk
 
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:33 pm
Medals: 10
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1) Assassin Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Postby joeyjordison on Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:14 pm

i think the suggestion makes a lot of sense. when a team mate gains a continent i will often give all my armies in order to defend it. if the player then deadbeats i hav lost. the whole point of a team game is cooperation.
User avatar
Major joeyjordison
 
Posts: 1170
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:10 am
Medals: 2
Tournament Contribution (2)

Postby whitewarrior on Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:03 pm

I agree, I think it would be a lot more fair in a game if the deadbeats teratory would go to his partners. If this was done it would get rid of a lot of unessasary losses.
User avatar
Cadet whitewarrior
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:56 pm
Location: i big big box

I agree also

Postby kwolff on Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:47 am

I would say that would be nice .........Or atleast the player that stayed should get his points back off the deadbeat player...
User avatar
Major kwolff
 
Posts: 123
Joined: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:25 pm
Location: pittsburgh PA
Medals: 10
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (3)

Need to modify the Deadbeat Partner Rule

Postby zorba_ca on Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:00 am

Back in July Lack implemented the improvement that if a player in a team game is a deadbeat, the deadbeat's territories revert to his/her teammate, but not the cards so as not to provide an unfair advantage to the surviving partner.

This is unquestionably a good thing, with one exception:
No Card Games

One can strategically have a partner deadbeat in a no card game, and in many circumstances it would be far more advantageous than playing with the partner. Especially if the game is a doubles match! The reason for this is because it would allow the surviving partner in many situations to control entire continents, which are the crux in "No Card" games.

Even in some Flat Rate games it could be viewed as an advantage, but I believe this is far more risky as the cards do have some value, unless you are on an insanely large map like World 2.0.

Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but I searched the forums and did not see it. Wow has the site grown!
Major zorba_ca
 
Posts: 141
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:44 pm

Postby spiesr on Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:22 am

You are just ranting not offering a suggestion.
User avatar
Captain spiesr
 
Posts: 2809
Joined: Mon May 08, 2006 10:52 am
Location: South Dakota
Medals: 25
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
Ratings Achievement (3) General Achievement (6) General Contribution (3)

Postby zorba_ca on Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:15 pm

spiesr wrote:You are just ranting not offering a suggestion.


Sorry. I didn't realize that some people who visit the forum would not have the capacity for higher level thought processes. Let me connect the dots for you my paleozoic-minded colleague.

If a partner deadbeats in a no card game the deadbeat's territories should become neutral.

P.S. I thought my post was thoughtful, courteous and on point. If you ever want a rant, let me know.
Major zorba_ca
 
Posts: 141
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:44 pm

Next

Return to Archived Suggestions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Login