[Rules] Allow permabanned members to appeal

[grifftron]

People who are voting no, are you gonna stay in the shadows and not say why you voted no?

I voted "I dunno lol".. because this is a friggen game site, not like a went shopping at a store and was blamed for stealing a butterfinger bar... because I would appeal that!

Imma go back in the shadows now

-griff

[Qwert]

Army of GOD on Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:42 am

And yes, I fully realize that if this suggestion gets support and is moved to the submitted sub-form, it'll be around 3-4 years until it is implemented.

Good that you notice,these mean if someone ban today,need to waith 4 years to put appeal(ofocurse if these been acepted.

Well these sugestion depend on only one people oppinion, because you can have 100% support,lack can come here and say,"in your dream these will hepend", but lets pretend that lack say "Ok, i will implement that", then you will have second problem, what if MOd who permaban person,again need to read appeal,and to decide if he make "Mistake" and you know how for mods are very hard to say "i make mistake,sorry for you been innocent" . Also if you create separate commision who will check appeal, then you can have problem because Mods who kick player will be in bad relations with mods who will move people back,declare that these and these mod are made mistakes, and ban players without enough evidences.

[notyou2]

I this initiative.

[Metsfanmax]

qwert, this has nothing to do with a particular mod making a mistake in banning someone. If an actual mistake was made handing out someone's decision in the past, then that should be corrected regardless of whether the six-month bans stay or go. If that was the correct decision at the time, in the sense that the community guidelines made it evident that a six-month ban was the next appropriate step of punishment for that user, then the only issue here is whether the community guidelines never should have been that way. That has nothing to do with the choices of an individual staff member but rather the culture of the community as a whole.

By the way, I'm still not sure of the logical connection between giving site-banned players a chance to appeal and a lack of six month bans. There's a huge philosophical difference between a definite length of time ban and an indefinite one.

[Army of GOD]

There's a huge philosophical difference between a definite length of time ban and an indefinite one.

I guess, but they're similar in the idea that they were both, at separate times, the "maximum" ban. First permabans were the max bans and then CC reduced it to 6 months. I'm not sure if CC thought it was unfair and that's why they reduced it, but if it's unfair that permabans were handed it, then it's equally unfair that six month bans were handed out as well.

[squishyg]

This seems quite fair. Does anyone know how many users this would even affect?

I'm bumping my question. I can only think of 2, maybe 3 perma-banned users. How many are there actually?

[rdsrds2120]

For the same reason we occasionally have cases relooked into in the C&A forum, I support this idea as long as only permabanned people can appeal. Otherwise, there would be a lot of people trying to appeal even the minor things.

If the system was structured correctly, this could be a really nice gesture from the site to the community.

-rd

[rdsrds2120]

This seems quite fair. Does anyone know how many users this would even affect?

I'm bumping my question. I can only think of 2, maybe 3 perma-banned users. How many are there actually?

I'd say there are about 30 that aren't spam/advertisers or multi's.

-rd

[Army of GOD]

For the same reason we occasionally have cases relooked into in the C&A forum, I support this idea as long as only permabanned people can appeal. Otherwise, there would be a lot of people trying to appeal even the minor things.

If the system was structured correctly, this could be a really nice gesture from the site to the community.

-rd

So you don't think 6 monthers should be able to appeal?

[BigBallinStalin]

Army of GOD on Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:42 am

And yes, I fully realize that if this suggestion gets support and is moved to the submitted sub-form, it'll be around 3-4 years until it is implemented.

Good that you notice,these mean if someone ban today,need to waith 4 years to put appeal(ofocurse if these been acepted.

Well these sugestion depend on only one people oppinion, because you can have 100% support,lack can come here and say,"in your dream these will hepend", but lets pretend that lack say "Ok, i will implement that", then you will have second problem, what if MOd who permaban person,again need to read appeal,and to decide if he make "Mistake" and you know how for mods are very hard to say "i make mistake,sorry for you been innocent" . Also if you create separate commision who will check appeal, then you can have problem because Mods who kick player will be in bad relations with mods who will move people back,declare that these and these mod are made mistakes, and ban players without enough evidences.

It seems that your living in Serbia over the years has undermined your faith in authority and its sincerity.

[notyou2]

I think qwert is stating past reality.

[Army of GOD]

Seriously, is anyone who's voting no gonna explain why? (griff doesn't count, Idunno lol != no)

[Army of GOD]

Looks like we have a hefty majority for this.

Let's get STICKY, with MICKEY!

[Army of GOD]

Anything?

[notyou2]

The silence is deafening.


Perhaps if we all paid money to the owner he would listen as I heard somewhere that money talks.













Oh, wait, we are paying money.

[jgordon1111]

I think that if you have been banned for a just cause it should stick,the bans were put in place for a reason.If you broke the rules there are consequences,if there are no consequences then dont have rules.The creator of the sight,Admin and moderators have a job to do,remove the rules they cant do it.And like any society not everyone agrees on every decision.You agreed to abide by the rules when you joined the sight,there wasnt a block attached anywhere I saw that said unless you think your special. If you really like the site after your ban is up you will come back and play again,and try to avoid getting banned again.

[Bruceswar]

I would bet there are more than 30 perma banned members. I support this idea.

[chapcrap]

I don't have a problem with some kind of appeals process. The only thing that I think is: isn't that what e-tickets are for? If the people want back in, can't they just file an e-ticket?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think that if you have been banned for a just cause it should stick,the bans were put in place for a reason.If you broke the rules there are consequences,if there are no consequences then dont have rules.The creator of the sight,Admin and moderators have a job to do,remove the rules they cant do it.And like any society not everyone agrees on every decision.You agreed to abide by the rules when you joined the sight,there wasnt a block attached anywhere I saw that said unless you think your special. If you really like the site after your ban is up you will come back and play again,and try to avoid getting banned again.

Didn't really read through the entire OP, did ya? Or did the concept completely elude you?

-TG

[jgordon1111]

Didnt elude Me,people get banned there is a reason for it. six months a year or permanent banned is bannned. there are rules for just about everything you dont follow them there are consequences,Did that part of the rules elude you Gunner.Or do you believe that the rules only apply to certain people. Who is that special someone you want back in the forums huh. come on share with everyone

[TA1LGUNN3R]

So person A gets permabanned at time 1. Person B commits the exact same infraction a year later at time 2 and gets the 3 month ban. How is that fair? Not to mention that this is merely a suggestion by the community, largely a paying base. If they feel that permas are excessive and that former customers should at least have an appeal to come back, what's the harm? It would increase traffic, revenue, etc. If, as you say, the administration runs the site and sets the rules, what wrong with them changing the rules and punishment? They must attempt to cater to the customer, otherwise there is no business.

-TG

[TA1LGUNN3R]

there are rules for just about everything you dont follow them there are consequences,Did that part of the rules elude you Gunner.

To elaborate, what establishes the rules? Why are these rules enforced? For what purpose do they exist? Presumably, they exist to foster and maintain an environment where customers will continue to spend money here. If the community as a majority (incoming money) feel these rules aren't conducive to the site, they may not renew their premium, or worse, leave.

The "rules" are arbitrary and momentary. Proof: the permas have already been shortened to 3-months.

-TG

[jgordon1111]

Then they got lucky the rules changed before their ban.Sometimes life is not fair you may understand when you get older.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Then they got lucky the rules changed before their ban.Sometimes life is not fair you may understand when you get older.

ha ha you're funny.

-TG

[Army of GOD]

Alright, now that we got jgordon out of the way, anyone else wanna discuss their disagreement?