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Better point system

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:22 pm

Make all games for 20 points. You can not join a game if the other players are more than, say, 3 or 4 ranks below yourself. But, you can join against all ranks above yourself. This will improve CC in many ways. 1.) It will allow everyone to play on an even playing field. ( no more of this affirmitive action attempt to even things out) Why should anyone have to risk 50 or 60 points to win 5 ? 2.) It will allow for a better, and more true leaderboard. Also you could arrange it so the leaders of each rank are the ones with the highest average rank opponents. This would hinder those that play only lower ranks. You can have a ZERO- POINT option for those that wish to mentor or play friends for no wager of points. :D
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Re: Better point system

Postby lozzini on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:03 pm

so people will go into - points?
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Re: Better point system

Postby lozzini on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:05 pm

so people will go into negative points?
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Re: Better point system

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:06 pm

lozzini wrote:so people will go into - points?
:? please explain.
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Re: Better point system

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:12 pm

lozzini wrote:so people will go into negative points?
everyone simply anties 20 points each and winner takes all. 8-)
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Re: Better point system

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:15 pm

So this is increasing farming because the farmers get more points, and it will be more profitable for me to go and play a cook because I win the same points as I would if I managed to beat a general?
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Re: Better point system

Postby cicero on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:28 pm

lozzini wrote:so people will go into negative points?
yes
The Neon Peon wrote:So this is increasing farming because the farmers get more points
yes
The Neon Peon wrote:it will be more profitable for me to go and play a cook because I win the same points as I would if I managed to beat a general?
yes

Apart from that though, and a few other flaws not yet mentioned, a great idea ;)
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Re: Better point system

Postby lozzini on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:30 pm

sorry about double post

this is a very bad idea - it will increase farming dramatically and is very unworkable
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Re: Better point system

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:35 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:So this is increasing farming because the farmers get more points, and it will be more profitable for me to go and play a cook because I win the same points as I would if I managed to beat a general?
No, You can not join games against players that are X ranks below yourself (3 or 4). also the players in each rank are listed on the leaderboard in order of the highest average rank opponents. so, a certain score will only get you the rank, but those with highest average rank opponents will be listed at the top of said rank. 8-)
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Re: Better point system

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:42 pm

The system is weighted for good reason.

If you play someone clower in rank, you have "acheived" less and therefore get fewer points than if a lower ranked person wins against a high ranked person.

The problem is actually the opposite of what you suggest. The problem right now is that while the system works pretty well for the lower ranked folks, att he very highest ranks it doesn't.

Why? Because every game is partially luck. A certain percentage of games will always be won on pure, dumb luck ... when your opponent starts with 2 whole continents and gets perfect dice to boot, the only way you will win is if you are playing an absolute and complete numbskull or a deadbeat.

At the very highest ranks, the number of points they can win from low ranked players is less than they will almost certainly lose due to pure luck. This is particularly true when some of those cooks are really half-way decent players masquerading as cooks "for fun".

The reasons why are somewhat debateable. Personally, I think that its because when the formula was set up, there were not so many ranks. The ranks were added, but the formula was not adjusted to even things out up there.

On the other hand, if the higher ranks are gauranteed to win points against cooks, then all they have to do is just play a bunch of cooks (farming) and the conquerer will end up being the one who has the time to play the most. ...but that is a while debate onto itself.

Bottom line I feel that this suggestions, while well intended, won't really solve the problem of farming.
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Re: Better point system

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:45 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:So this is increasing farming because the farmers get more points, and it will be more profitable for me to go and play a cook because I win the same points as I would if I managed to beat a general?
No, You can not join games against players that are X ranks below yourself (3 or 4). also the players in each rank are listed on the leaderboard in order of the highest average rank opponents. so, a certain score will only get you the rank, but those with highest average rank opponents will be listed at the top of said rank. 8-)



Except you already have people who "pretend" to be cooks so they can then have the "fun and glory" of grabbing points. Perhaps not precisely farming, but very similar.

The graduated score system works, though some tweaks might be appropriate.
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Re: Better point system

Postby Jeff Hardy on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:47 pm

terrible idea
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Re: Better point system

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:55 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:The system is weighted for good reason.

If you play someone clower in rank, you have "acheived" less and therefore get fewer points than if a lower ranked person wins against a high ranked person.

The problem is actually the opposite of what you suggest. The problem right now is that while the system works pretty well for the lower ranked folks, att he very highest ranks it doesn't.

Why? Because every game is partially luck. A certain percentage of games will always be won on pure, dumb luck ... when your opponent starts with 2 whole continents and gets perfect dice to boot, the only way you will win is if you are playing an absolute and complete numbskull or a deadbeat.

At the very highest ranks, the number of points they can win from low ranked players is less than they will almost certainly lose due to pure luck. This is particularly true when some of those cooks are really half-way decent players masquerading as cooks "for fun".

The reasons why are somewhat debateable. Personally, I think that its because when the formula was set up, there were not so many ranks. The ranks were added, but the formula was not adjusted to even things out up there.

On the other hand, if the higher ranks are gauranteed to win points against cooks, then all they have to do is just play a bunch of cooks (farming) and the conquerer will end up being the one who has the time to play the most. ...but that is a while debate onto itself.

Bottom line I feel that this suggestions, while well intended, won't really solve the problem of farming.
I dont think that you quite understand. Farming is eliminated by not being able to join against players lower than 3 ranks below yourself. and you are also protected from loosing 60 points when a cook joins your game. also your possition within a certain rank is determined by your average rank opponent, so those that play on average the highest ranks will be listed above those that do not. :D The point system as it stands now is nothing more than an attempt at affermitive action. lol.
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Re: Better point system

Postby spiesr on Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:02 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Farming is eliminated by not being able to join against players lower than 3 ranks below yourself.

porkenbeans wrote:But, you can join against all ranks above yourself.

So noobs will still join games with high players.
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Re: Better point system

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:18 pm

porkenbeans wrote:I dont think that you quite understand. Farming is eliminated by not being able to join against players lower than 3 ranks below yourself. and you are also protected from loosing 60 points when a cook joins your game. also your possition within a certain rank is determined by your average rank opponent, so those that play on average the highest ranks will be listed above those that do not. :D The point system as it stands now is nothing more than an attempt at affermitive action. lol.


I believe this will just change the nature of farming.

You would have a few players at the top who would consistantly win and, before long, be well above everyone else. (at the top)


I can see optional "slot limits", but then why the point change?
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