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AndyDufresne wrote:Hm, lets see what we've got so far:
AndyDufresne wrote:Option 1For Minor Infractions, the Disciplinary levels would remain unchanged:
Warning, 24 Hours, 72 Hours, 1 Week, 1 Month, Permanent
Major/Severe Infractions would remain unchanged:Warning, 1 Month, Permanent
(Keep in mind, these levels don't just include Forums, but Live Chat as well as gaming on the website as well).
This is the system we have currently.
AndyDufresne wrote:Option 21
For Minor Infractions, the Disciplinary levels would be as follows:
Warning, 24 Hours, 72 Hours, 1 Week, 1 Month, 6 Months, Permanent
Major/Severe Infractions would remain unchanged:Warning, 1 Month, Permanent
AndyDufresne wrote:Option 3For Minor Infractions, the Disciplinary levels would be as follows:
Warning, 24 Hours, 72 Hours, 1 Week, 1 Month, 6 Months
Major/Severe Infractions would remain unchanged:Warning, 1 Month, Permanent
We'd keep with the general current system we have no---no probationary periods, etc.
If a user comes back after a 6 Month Vacation, if their next Infraction was a Minor Infraction they would be hit with another 6 Month Vacation, no matter the period of time elapsed from the last Vacation. If their next Infraction was instead a Major/Severe Infraction, it'd probably lead to a Permanent Vacation.
AndyDufresne wrote:Option 4For Minor Infractions, the Disciplinary levels would be as follows:
Warning, 24 Hours, 72 Hours, 1 Week, 1 Month, 6 Months
Major/Severe Infractions would remain unchanged:Warning, 1 Month, Permanent
Upon a user coming back after a 6 Month Vacation, if they go 6 months without a Minor or Major/Severe Infraction, their Disciplinary level could be bumped down to 1 Month for their next Minor Infraction. Should they then after those 6 months, have a Minor Infraction, they would get a 1 Month Vacation, and upon their return from the 1 Month Vacation, their next Minor Infraction would lead them to a 6 Month Vacation.
AndyDufresne wrote:Moderation time is definitely I think a variable that has to be taken into account---especially because all non-admins/staff are Volunteers. We certainly don't want to make a bulky and cumbersome process.
Somewhere around Options 2 - 3 I think have the most potential.
--Andy
AndyDufresne wrote:Things can certainly be proposed and discussed. The options I presented, (aside from Option 1 which is what we currently have) are drafts.
--Andy
StiffMittens wrote:bjc23 wrote:F1fth wrote:
I have one suggestion for StiffMitten's draft: instead of resetting the ladder after the probationary period, I think the penalty should only decline a level. Otherwise, trolls could just go crazy once every month and never get more than a warning.
But do you really think they are just going to wait out their month to do a little trolling. B/c with couple clicks, BAM...no trolling for another month. I really don't think the trolls will actually care that munch to go back to their trolling for a couple hours again...
Some people might simply wait out the probation and return to their old tricks, but many people won't. This is why there will sometimes be a need for the history of a user to be available for consideration. This is also why the powers that be will probably not be convinced that DM should be reinstated (although he should ). But as long as it is clearly indicated exactly how and under what circumstances a user's "permanent" record may be used, both users and mods will understand the stakes better and (hopefully) act accordingly.
drunkmonkey wrote:I honestly wonder why anyone becomes a mod on this site. You're the whiniest bunch of players imaginable.
Ron Burgundy wrote:Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?
kylegraves1 wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Things can certainly be proposed and discussed. The options I presented, (aside from Option 1 which is what we currently have) are drafts.
--Andy
cc taking a suggestion is insane
this has happened how many times in the last year?
4myGod wrote:I would be in support of option 4 the most. It sounds like the closest to have a probational period.
You don't need to code in those probation periods, all you need to do is next time you catch the users commiting an infraction then you just look at his history, if it's x amount of days from last infraction then give him a punishment according. The cool down/probational period would be the same for all minor offenses. Maybe 3 months without commiting an offense and it goes back down a level.
With Option 3 some bad egg could get a 6 month ban within months of being here, then come back a changed man and a year or 2 later get another 6 month ban for going off-topic.
Woodruff wrote:Andy,
I think it's also important for us to discuss consistency of rulings between the different modes on the site. For instance, a statement made in a forum is treated completely differently than the same comment in game-chat. This doesn't seem to make sense to me. I think this ties in directly with this subject since we are talking about how to keep things fair while also maintaining the site's interests.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Woodruff wrote:Andy,
I think it's also important for us to discuss consistency of rulings between the different modes on the site. For instance, a statement made in a forum is treated completely differently than the same comment in game-chat. This doesn't seem to make sense to me. I think this ties in directly with this subject since we are talking about how to keep things fair while also maintaining the site's interests.
I agree consistency is important, but I am not sure chat should be treated the same as forum discussion. Similarly, I don't necessarily think each forum should have absolutely the same criteria. What is perfectly OK in turtle would not be in Suggs and Bugs or GD.
Chat, too is a bit different, I think, because people may say things to friends who have a "certain" type of humor (as an example), but not elsewhere.
AndyDufresne wrote:Perma-Vacations will always have at least some role on Conquer Club. There are some Infractions, malicious in nature, which I think will always warrant them.
--Andy
AndyDufresne wrote:Game chats essentially fall under the same precedents as the Forum. Trolling game chats will get you punished just as much as trolling forum topics. The same goes for PM's, Walls, etc. No matter where you troll, etc, you will get punished.
Woodruff wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Moderation time is definitely I think a variable that has to be taken into account---especially because all non-admins/staff are Volunteers. We certainly don't want to make a bulky and cumbersome process.
Somewhere around Options 2 - 3 I think have the most potential.
--Andy
As far as Option 3, any thoughts on having some sort of a warning shot (even if the warning includes a 1-month ban, I might add) before the first major infraction becomes a permanent ban (after many prior minor infractions) rather than it jumping straight to the perma-ban?
AndyDufresne wrote:Perma-Vacations will always have at least some role on Conquer Club. There are some Infractions, malicious in nature, which I think will always warrant them.
--Andy
jpcloet wrote:Lots to read here. I like what Owenshooter is saying except that there are a lot of minor types (flaming, baiting, signatures, live chat, avatars, and so on....). Someone who breaks 15 different minor infractions would not get punished? I have a hard time with that, especially after say 7 warnings about different areas. If you can't figure out what to do after 3 warnings and how to behave, then we have an issue.
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