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[jiminski]

ahhh there's Klobby!


is anyone looking into his blatant ratings manipulation?

Most of his games are filled with Deadbeats and he offers to mark all with 5's in spite that! he choses Circus Maximus as he has calculated that most of them will deadbeat due to the crappy board and 'esoteric' appeal. he knows all or most will deadbeat and then offers high ratings to maintain his rating.

Game 2505752

Elimination Summary
2008-06-09 13:17:21 - spearce was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-10 13:17:21 - catchat4 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-11 13:17:21 - Norris was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-12 13:17:21 - xufan1089 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-14 13:06:45 - fireburnscold was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3

Game Chat
2008-06-13 15:52:44 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )

as you can see:

Game 2527285
Game 2614288 in this one he instructs/ 'encourages' a player to deadbeat.

2008-06-13 15:45:48 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )
2008-06-15 00:26:10 - DJ Glass: This game is taking forever. How can I leave a game?
2008-06-16 02:24:57 - KLOBBER: "You are automatically kicked out from the game if you miss 3 consecutive turns."
2008-06-16 02:25:23 - KLOBBER: The above is from the official CC Instructions page, under "How to Play."

Game 2614297
Game 2614301
Game 2620144 look at this gamechat... his intent is all too obvious! (almost like a set up in the crowd!?)

2008-06-13 15:49:16 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )
2008-06-16 19:28:04 - rjgirardi: well Klobber, I will take that into consideration when I rate you as well...
2008-06-19 06:46:58 - KLOBBER: Cool, thanks!

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It goes on and on! you could pick any active game and see that he is engaging not just point theft but also in the Manipulation of the newest players to maintain a high rating and in so doing keep steeling points!


Should we not be protecting those who first enter the site!? at the moment their first contact, robs them and then talks them into giving him a reference to make the next mugging more easy!

com on, someone do something please!

[icedagger]

He found it in his heart to help a new recruit with how to get out of a game here too- Game 2505751

Surely his constant leaving of 5 star ratings for deadbeats counts as abuse?

[jiminski]

not just the intentional leaving of 5 for Attendence for deadbeats but the advertising of the fact which seeks to gain high ratings back.

If you can not pin his farming of points from the unsuspecting on him as cheating, then surely the above has to be abuse of the system.

[liamo6969]

sorry if this was said befor, i only read the 1st page,
but this klobber guy is it not very possible that he went down the leader board putting every single person of high rank on his foe list. so every one that was above X amount of points or was in the top 250 at some particular point in time when he may have done this is now on his foe list.

Hence even if you didnt play him, you could be a foe by just being too good! moderateors is this legal on cq??

[treefiddy]

sorry if this was said befor, i only read the 1st page,
but this klobber guy is it not very possible that he went down the leader board putting every single person of high rank on his foe list. so every one that was above X amount of points or was in the top 250 at some particular point in time when he may have done this is now on his foe list.

Hence even if you didnt play him, you could be a foe by just being too good! moderateors is this legal on cq??

That's what he did. People tried to join his games and they were on his foe list without ever previously playing him. He sets up his foe list so that only new recruits can join his games. If he sees someone who is not a new recruit join, he drops the game, adds them, then makes a new one.

[jiminski]

sorry if this was said befor, i only read the 1st page,
but this klobber guy is it not very possible that he went down the leader board putting every single person of high rank on his foe list. so every one that was above X amount of points or was in the top 250 at some particular point in time when he may have done this is now on his foe list.

Hence even if you didnt play him, you could be a foe by just being too good! moderateors is this legal on cq??

That's what he did. People tried to join his games and they were on his foe list without ever previously playing him. He sets up his foe list so that only new recruits can join his games. If he sees someone who is not a new recruit join, he drops the game, adds them, then makes a new one.

true, i found i was on his Foe list when i tried to join a Circus game... and i have never played him either.
He seems to prefer that all players just leave (DeadBeat) and even instructs them that Deadbeating is the best way. I guess that way there is less chance he can lose but is must be very boring for him.

[Ditocoaf]

What I find infinitely funny: Klobber says "get a life" to all those mocking him. But he's the guy who spends all his time on a game site trying to improve his rank, without improving his ability. Rank is only worth something because you're having fun winning challenging games... but Klobber seems to be under the impression that a rank is worth something in itself. And he says, "get a life".

I wonder how long his ignore list is...

[lancehoch]

Someone had asked about the previous bust for using a proxy. The player was Han Solo. These investigations can take some time due to the complexity. I assure you that all of these "proxy" type cases are being looked into.

[hulmey]

KLOBBER

This player plays mainly on Circus Maximus maps (Escalating) and uses tactics that ensures most of the players he plays are new recruits. He then announces in game chat that he is going to give every player a +5 rating for every category.

I pulled up random games an within 2 minutes found 5 players he gave a +5 rating, even though they deadbeated and never said a word in chat. The players are listed below ;

Ninjua -
philsecure
SissitSuomesta
awirre
Octavian_Caesar

Its quite obvious that he is abusing the system to try and gain more medals and ratings. He is openly abusing the system. However, new players are not aware of what an unpleasant chap he really is! The other players in game that didnt deadbeat are left with a first very bad experience of Conquer Club.

[jiminski]

thanks Lance, i'll move my info on rating abuse to the relevant thread as the 2 issues are separate.

[jiminski]

is anyone looking into his blatant ratings manipulation?

Most of his games are filled with Deadbeats and he offers to mark all with 5's in spite that! he choses Circus Maximus as he has calculated that most of them will deadbeat due to the crappy board and 'esoteric' appeal. he knows all or most will deadbeat and then offers high ratings to maintain his rating.

Game 2505752

Elimination Summary
2008-06-09 13:17:21 - spearce was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-10 13:17:21 - catchat4 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-11 13:17:21 - Norris was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-12 13:17:21 - xufan1089 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-14 13:06:45 - fireburnscold was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3

Game Chat
2008-06-13 15:52:44 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )

as you can see:

Game 2527285
Game 2614288 in this one he instructs/ 'encourages' a player to deadbeat.

2008-06-13 15:45:48 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )
2008-06-15 00:26:10 - DJ Glass: This game is taking forever. How can I leave a game?
2008-06-16 02:24:57 - KLOBBER: "You are automatically kicked out from the game if you miss 3 consecutive turns."
2008-06-16 02:25:23 - KLOBBER: The above is from the official CC Instructions page, under "How to Play."

Game 2614297
Game 2614301
Game 2620144 look at this gamechat... his intent is all too obvious! (almost like a set up in the crowd!?)

2008-06-13 15:49:16 - KLOBBER: By the way, I am in the habit of rating all members with all 5's. : )
2008-06-16 19:28:04 - rjgirardi: well Klobber, I will take that into consideration when I rate you as well...
2008-06-19 06:46:58 - KLOBBER: Cool, thanks!

Game 2621730



It goes on and on! you could pick any active game and see that he is engaging not just point theft but also in the Manipulation of the newest players to maintain a high rating and in so doing keep steeling points!


Should we not be protecting those who first enter the site!? at the moment their first contact, robs them and then talks them into giving him a reference to make the next mugging more easy!

come on, someone do something please!

[Hotdoggie]

Theres NOTHING wrong with setting up 8 player circus games in the knowledge that noobs will join.

There is NOTHING wrong with telling people that if you miss 3 turns you will be eliminated from a game.

The only quarrel I would have with KLOBBER's strategies is that he says he will leave 5s. If people DB by the end of round 3 I leave them 1-1-1 for ratings...fair imo. If he didn't offer these 5 ratings I would have no problem with his ways personally.

[DiM]

klobber is so pathetic that i'm actually starting to believe banning him would be a bad thing.
i mean imagine what a sad pathetic life he has if he's playing CC like this. i'm afraid that without CC klobber might commit suicide or something.
and i'm not kidding here. it's very sad but pathetic creatures like him do exist.
i knew a kid (from my highschool) that actually missed all the classes flunked everything had no friends no girlfriend and all because of counterstrike. he was a weird guy that somehow found out that his only reason to live is CS. when he played (and he played great) he was everything that he could not be in real life. it was his alternative life. he had to go in the army when he turned 18 but he deserted and he was sent to jail when he was found a few days later in a nearby i-cafe. he killed himself in prison. all because he didn't have access to CS.
klobber is like that.
are you willing to have him on your conscience?

[KLOBBER]

CC Admin has announced more than once in this forum that I am CLEARED of any and all false accusations of cheating.

I am determined to arrange for every exchange that I have, with every player, in every game, to be "excellent" in every category. All smiles, all compliments, all good feelings, all around. Gloomy Gus hates me for my happy, friendly, and positive approach, but that's his problem.

So far, with one exception, I have found my exchanges to be mutually excellent in every category, and this fact is reflected in my rating history, both given and received. I have encountered no "noobs" and no "deadbeats" in my games. I have encountered nice human beings, for the most part, and I am enacting a proactive policy of good vibes and good ratings. Pessimists and those envious due to their own unhappiness and inability to have pleasant exchanges with others do not like this, but it is really not their place to criticize.

Each of us is free to approach the new ratings system as we see fit. This also applies to me.

My positive approach to the new ratings system is a "win-win" situation for all involved, and it is working out very well for me and every member with whom I have played so far (except the one that I mentioned, but I am also working with him to enact a mutual withdrawal).

I highly recommend my positive and friendly approach to the new ratings system for each and every member on this site, as it is working out great for me so far.

BTW, the new ratings system ROCKS!

Thanks, Conquer Club!

[jiminski]

CC Admin has announced more than once in this forum that I am CLEARED of any and all false accusations of cheating.

I am determined to arrange for every exchange that I have, with every player, in every game, to be "excellent" in every category. All smiles, all compliments, all good feelings, all around. Gloomy Gus hates me for my happy, friendly, and positive approach, but that's his problem.

So far, with one exception, I have found my exchanges to be mutually excellent in every category, and this fact is reflected in my rating history, both given and received. I have encountered no "noobs" and no "deadbeats" in my games. I have encountered nice human beings, for the most part, and I am enacting a proactive policy of good vibes and good ratings. Pessimists and those envious due to their own unhappiness and inability to have pleasant exchanges with others do not like this, but it is really not their place to criticize.

Each of us is free to approach the new ratings system as we see fit. This also applies to me.

My positive approach to the new ratings system is a "win-win" situation for all involved, and it is working out very well for me and every member with whom I have played so far (except the one that I mentioned, but I am also working with him to enact a mutual withdrawal).

I highly recommend my positive and friendly approach to the new ratings system for each and every member on this site, as it is working out great for me so far.

BTW, the new ratings system ROCKS!

Thanks, Conquer Club!

i have never seen a more clear-cut example of abuse. can you ban him quickly please someone. he is taking the piss out of the new system and making a mockery of the site.

[jiminski]

52 games all on that map. My god, why even bother playing?

Ah, there's the rub. He doesn't play, he waits three rounds for everyone to deadbeat. If he had to play, he'd lose. That's why he quits games when real players join.

[KLOBBER]

There is no scope for any moderation of the new ratings system, especially not by some insignificant, envious non-moderator with a petty chip on his shoulder. Leaving good ratings for people with whom I have had mutually "excellent" exchanges is a far cry from abuse, in any case.

Good feelings, good vibes, and good ratings all around -- that's my new motto! You don't like it, don't play a game with me -- I'm okay with that! Negativity-oriented people cannot understand my positive approach, but then again, they have absolutely no say in the ratings exchanges that I have with other members, their all-consuming envy notwithstanding.

[DiM]

did anybody notice how klobber never actually managed to come even close to the top positions on the scoreboard?
i mean, playing the same map, having on ignore list anybody over 1000 points, telling new recruits to deadbeat, and yet so far from the conqueror rank

it's like using steroids and still finishing outside of the podium. pathetic

[Ditocoaf]

I realize that what Klobber's doing isn't cheating.

However, what he is doing is making the point system worthless. The fact is, that it is far easier to "up your rank" by gaming the system than by actually improving your skill. Klobber probably would be a corporal like me if he played a random selection of maps. But he knows that the real strategy of CC isn't to get good at the game--it's to get good at the system.

Of course, this only matters because for some strange reason, Klobber sees points as worth something in themselves. Others might feel a sense of pride reaching the rank of whatever, because it represents how much they have worked at improving their strategy. Klobber's rank, however, only shows how much time he has wasted in trying to earn meaningless points.

And points are essentially made meaningless because of people like him.

I loved the introduction of "medals" because it makes things like this less useful. It's hard to game the system to earn a wide variety of medals. In a suggestion thread that Klobber was posting in, I made a comment on how despite his high rank, his lack of medals showed how little effort he put into that rank. He responded by telling me how worthless I was, because I had a low rank. At least my rank is somewhat representative of my skill (I suck at this game ).
Since then, he's started this "I'll give you all 5's" thing-- it's really easy to earn the medals for ratings. But 6 medals is the maximum he can ever hope to have without branching out. So his medals are truly representative of how good he is at this game.

Of course, I also know that he won't read this, because he has me on ignore. He puts most people on ignore.

[DiM]

Of course, I also know that he won't read this, because he has me on ignore. He puts most people on ignore.

he has me on ignore and yet he read my post and reported it for being offensive towards him
so he'll read yours too and probably also report it.

[demon7896]

did anybody notice how klobber never actually managed to come even close to the top positions on the scoreboard?
i mean, playing the same map, having on ignore list anybody over 1000 points, telling new recruits to deadbeat, and yet so far from the conqueror rank

it's like using steroids and still finishing outside of the podium. pathetic

wait, he ignore lists you if you have over 1000 points? then how does he play new recruits???

[*manimal]

did anybody notice how klobber never actually managed to come even close to the top positions on the scoreboard?
i mean, playing the same map, having on ignore list anybody over 1000 points, telling new recruits to deadbeat, and yet so far from the conqueror rank

it's like using steroids and still finishing outside of the podium. pathetic

ROFL!

[demon7896]

Well, guys, I've been thinking.

Maybe it IS jealousy. Maybe we just can't get enough of a player that's better than us, and who's smart enough to get points easily and quickly!!



Maybe anyone who actually believes me needs to see a doctor, right here, right now.

[Frop]

I've said this countless times, but the amount of one-time deadbeats that join his games and never return to CC is so astronomically high that it beats all odds. You'd have more chance of winning the lottery 3 times in a row or getting struck by lightning in your willy.

[jiminski]

I've said this countless times, but the amount of one-time deadbeats that join his games and never return to CC is so astronomically high that it beats all odds. You'd have more chance of winning the lottery 3 times in a row or getting struck by lightning in your willy.

hahah, it made me laugh Fropper ... but what does it mean? (i know what getting struck by lightening in the tackle means .. hmmm i still can't get rid of this boner 12 years after .. but what is your position?)