Will the Real Gen.LeeGettinhed please stand up![CLEARED]es

[eddie2]

Im not sure what the difference is Lanyards. Bearcat was created first, before the original David H. account. If David took over that account, (which would be sharing and being a multi), then the GLG account would be shut down because it is the second account. Since Bear cat is/was created before, he would at best, get to be that account.

David H started his account and has been the one using it until now. That is a fact.

I suggested that possibly he used his son's account for team games after bearcat stopped using his account and stopped playing cc from any account.

if this is so he then used bearcats account to also join and play in a tourney he was running. a tourney that he would not allow anybody over the sarg to join..

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155040

-entrants limited to "recently Sergeant(1400) and below" (can have been higher now or in past, but RECENTLY [in the last week or so] a Sgt or below -- confirmed elegibity of 2 entrants))
-Fremium players MUST leave 1 slot open -- to keep tourney moving

but if you actually look at it over the 2 months bearcat was back on site he had only played 4 games for a grand total of 11 points gained this would of gave him at the time of sign up 1484 points..(sarg 1st class.) this player had not been online since march before these games. and when he returned only played the 2 tourney games and 2 doubles games with glg these 2 were real time games. game chat even looks sus in these..

pretense of not knowing each other.

2011-11-27 00:35:33 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: need 15-20 min break -dinner
2011-11-27 00:37:03 - plurple: fine with me the others it will matter to
2011-11-27 00:38:31 - bearcat7734: ok
2011-11-27 00:50:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: back, quick dinner

2011-11-27 01:44:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Bearcat -- GREAT GAME
2011-11-27 01:44:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: s/b high rating for all?
2011-11-27 07:38:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: WOW, Great fuggin game! opponents drop bonus, shit dice -- then great forts and shit dice for opponents

[lanyards]

Im not sure what the difference is Lanyards. Bearcat was created first, before the original David H. account. If David took over that account, (which would be sharing and being a multi), then the GLG account would be shut down because it is the second account. Since Bear cat is/was created before, he would at best, get to be that account.

David H started his account and has been the one using it until now. That is a fact.

I suggested that possibly he used his son's account for team games after bearcat stopped using his account and stopped playing cc from any account.

if this is so he then used bearcats account to also join and play in a tourney he was running. a tourney that he would not allow anybody over the sarg to join..

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155040

-entrants limited to "recently Sergeant(1400) and below" (can have been higher now or in past, but RECENTLY [in the last week or so] a Sgt or below -- confirmed elegibity of 2 entrants))
-Fremium players MUST leave 1 slot open -- to keep tourney moving

but if you actually look at it over the 2 months bearcat was back on site he had only played 4 games for a grand total of 11 points gained this would of gave him at the time of sign up 1484 points..(sarg 1st class.) this player had not been online since march before these games. and when he returned only played the 2 tourney games and 2 doubles games with glg these 2 were real time games. game chat even looks sus in these..

pretense of not knowing each other.

2011-11-27 00:35:33 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: need 15-20 min break -dinner
2011-11-27 00:37:03 - plurple: fine with me the others it will matter to
2011-11-27 00:38:31 - bearcat7734: ok
2011-11-27 00:50:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: back, quick dinner

2011-11-27 01:44:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Bearcat -- GREAT GAME
2011-11-27 01:44:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: s/b high rating for all?
2011-11-27 07:38:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: WOW, Great fuggin game! opponents drop bonus, shit dice -- then great forts and shit dice for opponents

Seriously? For what purpose would someone switch accounts, create a tourny, and the go back to old account to play in tourny?

I find it much more likely that GLG just asked his son to join the tournament to fill it up. That's actually realistic.

[eddie2]

his son was over the player restrictions for the tourney

[Evil Semp]

Meh- I wouldn't like to be in ES's position for this one. A hasty decision would be bad, but so would taking too long. As it stands, there's more evidence here than in most complaints, but there's also more at stake- the credibility of the leaderboard and the credibility of the mods.

Whichever way it goes, I wouldn't lay it all on ES. Methinks this is being discussed among the mods, and the final decision won't be ES's alone, even if he has to be the one to deliver the verdict.

You are right I will not make the decision alone. It is being discussed.

[lanyards]

his son was over the player restrictions for the tourney

What does that have to do with anything

[Bruceswar]

I just have a question for all of you who think you have it down to a tee. After all these cases against glg, you think the mods have never run a multi check on him before? If you think that please raise your hand.

[s3xt0y]

I just have a question for all of you who think you have it down to a tee. After all these cases against glg, you think the mods have never run a multi check on him before? If you think that please raise your hand.

The multi check with his son? Since they have said they are father and son the multi check has probably been done but waved...?

[IR1SH ACE]

I just have a question for all of you who think you have it down to a tee. After all these cases against glg, you think the mods have never run a multi check on him before? If you think that please raise your hand.

I have a question for you did you read the whole report or just jump in at this point?

this question has already been brought up....

Please read all the OP before commenting....it is obvious that the GLG and bearcat account were two separate accounts when set-up and were operated separately for sometime...maybe a year maybe longer...during GLG's many C&A cases bearcat was absent from the site so I dont see any reason why the MH's would have looked into him or looked for any connection between them...what this case is trying to determine is at some point it looks like one of two things happened...

1)they are sharing the same account which is against the rules..
2)bearcat took over the Gen.Lee account at some stage from his Dad and would make the Gen.Lee account a Multi seen as bearcat joined the site 10 days before Gen.Lee, which is against the rules...

or as s3xt0y just said...

The multi check with his son? Since they have said they are father and son the multi check has probably been done but waved...?

Nobody who understands what is laid out in this case is suggestion that these two accounts were set-up by one person...

I am surprised that some of the members that know GLG and chat with him often have not left any comments on which persona that they know him by....the Dad with the kids or the younger girlfriend and no kids GLG....I would assume its the latter of these two and none of you are willing to share this with the rest of us......for fear of incriminating him further....

[Bruceswar]

Ofc I read it all, but still my question stands. The Multi hunters are good at determining when a person is using 2 accounts vs 2 family members. I am sure they have looked into this before.

[John Deere]

Maybe he changed his name because it was PERSONAL INFORMATION, and maybe he doesn't provide you with consistent facts because you were asking about and looking at PERSONAL INFORMATION. He obviously doesn't want people over the internet, who have no relation to him PERSONALLY, to know him PERSONALLY.

Makes perfect sense! Thats why he used his full name as an online screen name.... Ignorance is bliss.....

[Bruceswar]

Maybe he changed his name because it was PERSONAL INFORMATION, and maybe he doesn't provide you with consistent facts because you were asking about and looking at PERSONAL INFORMATION. He obviously doesn't want people over the internet, who have no relation to him PERSONALLY, to know him PERSONALLY.

Makes perfect sense! Thats why he used his full name as an online screen name.... Ignorance is bliss.....

You would shocked at how many people use personal info on CC only later to find out they wished they had not. When many people join CC, they have no idea how addicting it is.

[Caymanmew]

I am surprised that some of the members that know GLG and chat with him often have not left any comments on which persona that they know him by....the Dad with the kids or the younger girlfriend and no kids GLG....I would assume its the latter of these two and none of you are willing to share this with the rest of us......for fear of incriminating him further....

i never thought of him as the dad with kids more like the guy in his early 20's without a family but thats just me and how i took the conversations we have had

[Bruceswar]

I am surprised that some of the members that know GLG and chat with him often have not left any comments on which persona that they know him by....the Dad with the kids or the younger girlfriend and no kids GLG....I would assume its the latter of these two and none of you are willing to share this with the rest of us......for fear of incriminating him further....

i never thought of him as the dad with kids more like the guy in his early 20's without a family but thats just me and how i took the conversations we have had

Why would anybody want to share personal information? That is a clear violation of CC rules. If I or anybody else knows anything personally about him from LC it is surely not to be shared. Nothing more to say to that. The multi hunters have all they need in this case.

[Caymanmew]

I am surprised that some of the members that know GLG and chat with him often have not left any comments on which persona that they know him by....the Dad with the kids or the younger girlfriend and no kids GLG....I would assume its the latter of these two and none of you are willing to share this with the rest of us......for fear of incriminating him further....

i never thought of him as the dad with kids more like the guy in his early 20's without a family but thats just me and how i took the conversations we have had

Why would anybody want to share personal information? That is a clear violation of CC rules. If I or anybody else knows anything personally about him from LC it is surely not to be shared. Nothing more to say to that. The multi hunters have all they need in this case.

i'm not saying he shared any information just saying when i talked to him he never sounded like a dad or anything more like a college student or someone recently out of college

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

while you all hypothesize, Rodion's post brings up an interesting point:

Could a clan (for argument say. . .TOFU or TSM, etc.) be so desperate to stop KoRT . . . that they'd have a buddy dig up some old game chat, raise a hugely false scare that "GLG is a multi" -- to SCARE KoRT from entering GLG in the finals? NOW THAT would be interesting and somehow wouldn't surprise me at all.

Wait, I better check to make sure I'm not entered in more than 20 games.. ..

And STILL cannot stand up. . .trimming toe nails right now. . .

[NoSurvivors]

Irish.. Stop twisting my words dude.. What I meant by him being a joker was not to lighten the mood and try to make him look innocent or whatever.. It was because he has ticked off the chat mods at times because he jokes around lots in live chat.. That's all.. Like I said its nothing major and I am positive that he hasn't broken any rules regarding multis.

Also for all you going on about how GLG's chat buddies aren't defending him; where are they? To you I say simply to shut your traps. Not trying to be an ass here but honest to god I'm sick of being clustered with people because I am his friend. The guy has helped me a lot and so you're damn right I'll stick up for him! I mean really, who wouldn't fight for their friend if they were getting picked on? So please, think before you speak

-(Chuck) NO (rri) S

[Master Bush]

A) They never ever ever bothered checking him for multi.
B) He is and they are protecting him.
C) It is a house account.
D) He isn't a multi.

The answer is B. I'm not gonna flame, troll or bait, and this is probably my only post on this matter, but I have been saying for a while that he is being protected and I have given proof of it in this thread:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=161208

In a PM he sent to King Achilles, which he then forwarded to me, he said the following:

Again, supposedly the site wants a friendly around the camp-fire environment. I'm sure I provide that:
-I contact people: some played 300 games and NO prior interaction on CC
-most Social people find my comments and antics funny (lol, etc.)
-I created 13 mini tourneys in 2.5 months
-the strongest clan on CC invited me to join them* -- appreciating certain skills I have (not Farming). THey are NICE and very good players, recommending that I focus more on Team games. *at least 2 others invited me directly, a few others approached me as well.
-I help your mods, etc. in their personal lives.

lol he flat out admits to helping the mods in their personal lives. there is an absolute conflict of interest that is happening at this site, and either Lack Attack doesnt know about it, or has turned a blind eye to it.

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

alright, Alright, ALRIGHT! I admit it. . .I took the last cookie in the cookie jar and didn't write it down on the shopping list.

Oops, I thought this was Sully's confessional! My bad. . .

Well, still can't stand up. . .taking a dump on the crapper.

[Master Bush]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Gold Knight]

Ofc I read it all, but still my question stands. The Multi hunters are good at determining when a person is using 2 accounts vs 2 family members. I am sure they have looked into this before.

While I do not question Bruce's judgement as he is a stand-up player, I would hope the MH's use judgement in leaving him out of the decision to leave out any possibility of bias as a clan and CLA leader and member. ES clearly has the lead as the senior and accepted member and has the support of the site IMO, so i hope the overall verdiect comes from him.

[TheGeneral2112]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

No one watches the watchmen.

[sdh]

Has Gen.LeeGettinhed actually explained any of these game/social chats yet? I'm not saying he is guilty and not saying he is innocent, but all he seems to be doing is typing a load of crap.

[eddie2]

I just have a question for all of you who think you have it down to a tee. After all these cases against glg, you think the mods have never run a multi check on him before? If you think that please raise your hand.

ok bruce now stop and think a min... from the op
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=60770&p=1539589#p1539589

so king a had obviously checked it all.. if they are family members from what i remember the mods have a list of accounts that are linked.. So if the mods have there names on there list for being family why would they check him again against this player. like we have said after the suspected swap date bearcat doe's not really play any more singles games and sticks with team games making less of a chance of getting reported.... the other thing that needs to be looked at in that thread is the fact a member comes in saying about some form of ban issued to the bearcat account.... there are several reasons for this but i am gonna have a pop at 1.

on speaking with a c and a mod i asked if bearcat had ever had a ban (telling them i was working on a case.) to which i was told he never had 1....

so could this possibly be the awnser to your Q. bruce if a member has stated he is on a ban and there is not a ban listed could the bearcat account of been busted as a multi account. then reopened through the appeal would there be any record of this ????????

[IR1SH ACE]

i never thought of him as the dad with kids more like the guy in his early 20's without a family but thats just me and how i took the conversations we have had

Thank you for sharing this caymanmew....this is how Im sure most members who chat with him regularly imagine GLG...

Why would anybody want to share personal information? That is a clear violation of CC rules. If I or anybody else knows anything personally about him from LC it is surely not to be shared. Nothing more to say to that. The multi hunters have all they need in this case.

I love how you and even GLG are hiding behind this "personal information" nobody's is asking you for the names, birth-dates & social security numbers of any of his kids/wife/girlfriend just to confirm like caymanmew post which persona you know GLG by...there is more "personal info" on my profile page then what is been asked here....

it makes me laugh that GLG had his own "personal" name on his account for 3 years and talked openly about kids & wife in game chat but now its all to "personal" to share.......

This is the response that I received via PM from GLG..

What I say or don't say in games or live chat is pretty much disinformation to keep you hounds at bay.

this maybe true but if we look at the 3 games listed below....
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Game 3448757
2008-10-12 00:36:16 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: kids botherin me
2008-10-12 01:03:02 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: the last time, I had been waiting for kid's teacher to call all week. . just to call mid-game

Game 3928995
2008-12-29 03:24:55 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: sorry, kids to attend to. . .I come and go
2008-12-29 03:26:42 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I can go first later when spouse gets home
2008-12-29 03:27:11 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: my son LOVES the Celtics

Game 3934308
2008-12-29 22:03:32 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I'll play as quickly as I can.. .kids at home tho
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These games were all played before Jan 2009....why is this important.....maybe because there was no farming NR's rule in place before Jan 2009...Lackattack's Ruling on Newbie farming - 1st January 2009

and GLG only got report for the first time for farming a couple of weeks after this new rule is introduced...C&A Report - 17th January 2009[NOTED]

so his claim of leaving "disinformation to keep you hounds at bay" does not hold much water with me....unless GLG was able to see/predict the future and knew one day he would have tons of C&A cases.....there were no hounds to keep at bay he was just another anonymous player and nobody cared what he was talking about......

so yes Bruce you hide behind the "not sharing personal info" and "he is not a Multi" but you know....just would look bad to admit it.....

[Bruceswar]

BTW nobody is hiding behind anything. You still have not answered my question.

I just have a question for all of you who think you have it down to a tee. After all these cases against glg, you think the mods have never run a multi check on him before? If you think that please raise your hand.


P.S. Giving personal info out is against the rules. If you want to break them that is your doing not mine. Weather it is myself, glg's, or anybody else's info, I do not give out personal info.