[GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

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Re: Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby Crazy Frog on Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:42 pm

I would give the idea a +/- rating.. it has some points... it is a midway between Unlimited and Adjacent.

Looking at the idea however... We could also do this in a similar way by Opening up the Adjacent fort.... to being able to do several adjacent forts... just not from the same troops or locations.

My Example.
IF you move 10 troops from California to Nevada Both California and Nevada are finished moving for this turn... but if you want to move some other troops from say Arizona... they could be moved... even to Nevada... But again.. Nevada, by receiving troops has become a staging point and cannot forward or use troops until next round.
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Re: Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby Doobie Keebler on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:02 pm

I logged on to make this very suggestion, and found it here
It is the way we played the board game RISK when we were kids.
Reinforcing a short distance in many/all theaters is far more realistic
I also would choose to play this format most often if/when available.
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Re: Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby chapcrap on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:02 pm

Two things that I had been thinking about this suggestion:
  1. I know there is another thread somewhere that needs merged. I'll try to find it if I get time.
  2. I feel like this is so similar to trench attacks that it should be easier to code by using the same type of idea from that code. This can really be thought of as unlimited trench forts. Same concept as attacking. I may be wrong about that making it easier, but that's how it seemed to me.
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Re: Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby agentcom on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:32 pm

Chap, I could've sworn we had this conversation in one of the threads before:

Someone else: "Well, the real problem is that this would require the game to keep track of where all the troops are at the start of a phase"
[Then CC implemented Adjacent Attacks (Trench)]
Me: "Well this problem seems to be solved."
You: "Indeed"

So I think that there is another version of this floating around out there.
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Re: Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby chapcrap on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:49 pm

agentcom wrote:Chap, I could've sworn we had this conversation in one of the threads before:

Someone else: "Well, the real problem is that this would require the game to keep track of where all the troops are at the start of a phase"
[Then CC implemented Adjacent Attacks (Trench)]
Me: "Well this problem seems to be solved."
You: "Indeed"

So I think that there is another version of this floating around out there.

'Indeed' does seem like something I would say...
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Unlimited adjacent reinforcement

Postby BENCLUB on Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:56 am

Concise description:
  • If you want a realist mode of war, the best mode will be not Unlimited/Chained/Adjacent mode, but a mix of 2 mode; Adjacent and Unlimited

Specifics/Details:
  • Each player could reinforce their territory with their respective neighbour

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This mode will be the most reallist mode
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Re: Unlimited adjacent reinforcement

Postby greenoaks on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:28 am

so this would just be Unlimited
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby chapcrap on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:32 am

MERGED

greenoaks wrote:so this would just be Unlimited

Not really.
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby greenoaks on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:38 am

chapcrap wrote:MERGED

greenoaks wrote:so this would just be Unlimited

Not really.

if you can fort the neighboring terit but do so unlimited times it is Unlimited.
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:03 am

greenoaks wrote:
chapcrap wrote:MERGED

greenoaks wrote:so this would just be Unlimited

Not really.

if you can fort the neighboring terit but do so unlimited times it is Unlimited.

No, each territory can only be involved in one transaction.

If you fort from Sydney to Port Moresby, then both Sydney and Port Moresby have been used that turn. You cannot now fort from Port Moresby to Jakarta. That would be unlimited. You can, however, now go and fort from London to Berlin.

Anyway, that's my take on the idea, although I see that two threads have been merged, so I'm not sure if the two OPs were thinking the same thing.

Anyway, I agree. This would be a good option.
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby chapcrap on Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:08 am

greenoaks wrote:
chapcrap wrote:MERGED

greenoaks wrote:so this would just be Unlimited

Not really.

if you can fort the neighboring terit but do so unlimited times it is Unlimited.

Well, if you read through the thread, you can see that's not what's going on. The troops have to be marked as starting at a certain territory and can be moved only to a territory that is neighboring. It's like trench attacks. You get to attack as much as you want, but only next to where you are already at.
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Unlimited adjacent reinforcements!!!!!!AWESOME!!!!

Postby Evan3222 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:57 pm

It would be cool if you could reinforce in adjacent reinforcements an unlimited number of times

Specifics/Details:
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[*] Allow it to be able to have adjacent reinforcements but from all the territories. only allow the number of troops that were on a territory at the end of attacking to move from the territory.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
[list]
[*]New Gameplay
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Re: Unlimited adjacent reinforcements!!!!!!AWESOME!!!!

Postby nicestash on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:59 pm

Please fix your form.
Also, this has been suggested multiple times before so please check the forum.
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Re: Unlimited adjacent reinforcements!!!!!!AWESOME!!!!

Postby macbone on Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:16 am

Still, it's a nice idea. I like it!
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby chapcrap on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:49 pm

nicestash wrote:Please fix your form.
Also, this has been suggested multiple times before so please check the forum.


Very true. MERGED with the thread that was located in Submitted Suggestions.
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Re: Fortifications....

Postby greenoaks on Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:41 am

chapcrap wrote:I'm obviously in favor.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 4&t=155485

are you in favour of merging O:)
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby spiesr on Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:01 am

MERGED
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Trench Reinforcements!

Postby PapaGeek on Wed May 15, 2013 3:52 am

The ability to move each stack to an adjacent region
  • It like a combination of adjacent reinforcements and trench warfare

Specifics/Details:
  • The reinforcement phase starts off with the list of your available stack sizes on each region, exactly like the list you see now before you make your first reinforcement.
  • We could also limit the list to only those stacks that had not just captured a region, they already moved one region that round!
  • Each reinforcement can only be made to an adjacent region, like trench warfare attacks.
  • We are doing this already for the attack phase of a trench game. We track the initial list of troop locations, and allow each troup to make single attacks to adjacent regions.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Would be more like traditional warfare, prior to unlimited air drops, where each army group moved independently each round.
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Re: Trench Reinforcements!

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 15, 2013 5:17 am

Adjacent is already hardly used, this would split that fan base making games with either setting very difficult to fill.
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Re: Trench Reinforcements!

Postby PapaGeek on Wed May 15, 2013 5:55 am

The reason adjacent is rarely used is because it is so difficult to manage multiple fronts, you can only reinforce one at a time! By the time you get one front reinforced, the reinforcements for the other front is far behind the action.

The purpose of this change would be to allow you to maintain multiple fronts without the wide open movement of unlimited or the long distance single moves of chained.

It would mimic WWI trench warfare. Each unit can make small moves each round.
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Re: Trench Reinforcements!

Postby SirSebstar on Wed May 15, 2013 6:13 am

unlimited adjecent.... mmm.
sounds better then adjecent, so if they were to upgrade adjecent to this, i would be happy enough with it. as it stands i dont use adjecent unless i want to mess with someone.lol
as far as suggestions go, this is not a bad one, but its not good enough i think
reasons it wont get through the list:
too many options already.
it would be (even more) difficult for new players to understand how this works
it brings new problems like differentiating between moved troops and already standing troops (real killer this)
so overall it wont do.
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Re: Trench Reinforcements!

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 15, 2013 7:41 am

PapaGeek wrote:The reason adjacent is rarely used is because it is so difficult to manage multiple fronts, you can only reinforce one at a time! By the time you get one front reinforced, the reinforcements for the other front is far behind the action.

The purpose of this change would be to allow you to maintain multiple fronts without the wide open movement of unlimited or the long distance single moves of chained.

It would mimic WWI trench warfare. Each unit can make small moves each round.

but my point remains. this would split the Adjacent fan base.

suggestions have been made to 'improve' Adjacent to increase its popularity and this would be a viable improvement but not as an additional setting.
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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby spiesr on Thu May 30, 2013 12:13 pm

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Re: [GP/UI] Unlimited Adjacent Fortification

Postby Crazy Frog on Fri May 31, 2013 9:28 pm

OK... now it is making more sense.
still not sure I would use it for much more than messing with an opponents head though... :lol:
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Re: Trench Reinforcements!

Postby chapcrap on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:25 am

greenoaks wrote:
PapaGeek wrote:The reason adjacent is rarely used is because it is so difficult to manage multiple fronts, you can only reinforce one at a time! By the time you get one front reinforced, the reinforcements for the other front is far behind the action.

The purpose of this change would be to allow you to maintain multiple fronts without the wide open movement of unlimited or the long distance single moves of chained.

It would mimic WWI trench warfare. Each unit can make small moves each round.

but my point remains. this would split the Adjacent fan base.

I would disagree with this to a degree. I can see come adjacent fans switching from adjacent to this, but I can also see this new way winning new fans from chained and unlimited. I know that I would like this over chained.
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