Not Extending Premium

[mibi]

*injects needle full of landgrab into penis*

oh shit, that's funny.


Seriously though, ConquerClub isn't only competeing with other Risk clones out there, it's competeing with other strategy games and gaming entertainment at large. I stopped playing CC a while back, and it didn't hop on over to Landgrab. I was playing Medieval: Total War II, great game.

So chill out folks, go play some checkers or Civony, and see if you can kick the CC habit. If not, then sit down and shut up and be a good little addict, before papa junkie slaps the dice outta yo mouf.

[King Berzerker]

*injects needle full of landgrab into penis*

oh shit, that's funny.


Seriously though, ConquerClub isn't only competeing with other Risk clones out there, it's competeing with other strategy games and gaming entertainment at large. I stopped playing CC a while back, and it didn't hop on over to Landgrab. I was playing Medieval: Total War II, great game.

So chill out folks, go play some checkers or Civony, and see if you can kick the CC habit. If not, then sit down and shut up and be a good little addict, before papa junkie slaps the dice outta yo mouf.

wut is landgrab... is that a site?

[lgoasklucyl]

None of this matters... what is your alternative? Is there a another site that you can go to that can offer you what cc has to offer?

Nope

CC has no legitimate competition, therefore they are like an 800 pound gorilla, they can sleep where ever they want to.

for now...

One could only hope an alternative emerges so we could leave and pursue a community not so fucking wound up.

Hell, I would pay more than $25/year for a similar concept (even lacking a good number of the features available here at CC) if it meant different (respectable) moderation.

Hmmm... How would you feel about investing a little more money and having a direct say in how such a site might be developed?

I would have no problem with that at all

[Fruitcake]

That's sooooooooo rich.

A wack of malcontents are going to pool their cash to set up a C.C. clone?

And the fact that it would cost thousands and thousands and the time commitment vast does not give you pause?
OR the fact that you ....other than this site.... in general don't even personally know each other...but you'll trust one of you with handling the finances of a 10000 + project?


Do you have any Idea WHY the mods and admin can get away with their arrogance?

They have you in a can. Your not going anywhere. Your not developing anything.
Your not going to drop your premium. And eventually your going to conform.

This is not to mean I agree with how the mods and the admin run the show.
But it's a monopoly situation with a very good product and the hook is in your bag, my friend.

There is no "methadone" out there that will get you off Conquer Smack.

Give it up already,

Johnny Rockets

How very assumptive of you. There are some on cc who could afford to create a clone without requesting help from any one else. There will be others on cc who could put the coding together for a site like this in a lot less time than you seem to think. There are those within both those camps who may well have met through this site, got together, devised a plan and are, even as I type, acting upon it. With the sheer numbers of people involved in this site and the obvious cash cow it has become the odds of this happening would be very short inded.

Furthermore, from your words I can only assume you know very little about the cultural attitude of a certain type of people when they reach a point in their life where they 1) have more money than they need or will ever need and 2) They have the resources to throw at a situation just because they want to and 3) they can do these things because they do not have to live their lives by the rules some one who gets paid by some one else does.

Rather than talk the way you do, you should draw breath from time to time and think before you deliver a meesage.

[King Berzerker]

That's sooooooooo rich.

A wack of malcontents are going to pool their cash to set up a C.C. clone?

And the fact that it would cost thousands and thousands and the time commitment vast does not give you pause?
OR the fact that you ....other than this site.... in general don't even personally know each other...but you'll trust one of you with handling the finances of a 10000 + project?


Do you have any Idea WHY the mods and admin can get away with their arrogance?

They have you in a can. Your not going anywhere. Your not developing anything.
Your not going to drop your premium. And eventually your going to conform.

This is not to mean I agree with how the mods and the admin run the show.
But it's a monopoly situation with a very good product and the hook is in your bag, my friend.

There is no "methadone" out there that will get you off Conquer Smack.

Give it up already,

Johnny Rockets

How very assumptive of you. There are some on cc who could afford to create a clone without requesting help from any one else. There will be others on cc who could put the coding together for a site like this in a lot less time than you seem to think. There are those within both those camps who may well have met through this site, got together, devised a plan and are, even as I type, acting upon it. With the sheer numbers of people involved in this site and the obvious cash cow it has become the odds of this happening would be very short inded.

Furthermore, from your words I can only assume you know very little about the cultural attitude of a certain type of people when they reach a point in their life where they 1) have more money than they need or will ever need and 2) They have the resources to throw at a situation just because they want to and 3) they can do these things because they do not have to live their lives by the rules some one who gets paid by some one else does.

Rather than talk the way you do, you should draw breath from time to time and think before you deliver a meesage.

maybe he just likes saying mean and negative things?

[danfrank]

So let me get this straight...

In your little thread here about making your stand against members of cc getting banned, if you don't think that my response is on topic you will report me to the same people that you are speaking out against, for what, so they can possibly include me in on their so called "banning spree"?

You rule dude! fucking brilliant! 5 out of 5 stars for you bro!!! You don't call the cops on people after you just finish singing "f*ck the police"

[Johnny Rockets]

Hello Fruitcake:

How very assumptive of you. There are some on cc who could afford to create a clone without requesting help from any one else. There will be others on cc who could put the coding together for a site like this in a lot less time than you seem to think. There are those within both those camps who may well have met through this site, got together, devised a plan and are, even as I type, acting upon it. With the sheer numbers of people involved in this site and the obvious cash cow it has become the odds of this happening would be very short inded.

I'm assuming nothing of the kind when it comes to resources. Obviously there are some here with the money, or the knowledge to achieve this. However the WILL to take on such a project doesn't seem to have appeared yet has it? No threads or public declarations jump out to me in any forum that such a project has taken any concrete steps towards a reality.

AND IF IT DOES: They would start out with a minimum number of maps, and C.C. would have a huge advantage. True, C.C would need to become more customer oriented and they couldn't keep running the place like Berlin in 1939 but in the case of serious competition they WOULD. Thus sinking the fledgling upstart.

So if you truly want to change the way the Mods mod, and the Admin manages then yes! You can throw together the money and the talent and an ocean of time and create a Mc Ronalds and POOF! THY WILL BE DONE!

You don't have the drive, and neither do your companions so professing that the odds are high show a distinct relation between your misguided passion and your level of common sense.

Furthermore, from your words I can only assume you know very little about the cultural attitude of a certain type of people when they reach a point in their life where they 1) have more money than they need or will ever need and 2) They have the resources to throw at a situation just because they want to and 3) they can do these things because they do not have to live their lives by the rules some one who gets paid by some one else does.

You assume again. The reason I have said cultural attitude, is because I don't piss away wealth on worthless futile causes. I allocate my wealth where it does it's best work: supporting research, feeding the poor, & supporting human rights.
Not Fighting The Man on an online gaming website. That and I stopped earning my living off of another's payroll long, long ago.

So make sure you know who your talking to before you make an ass of yourself next time. That, or since you "Have more money than you'll ever need" Pick up the banner of self righteousness and fund your project.

Let me know how that works out for you.

John R

[stahrgazer]

I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.

i just find it incredibly funny to watch you try to communicate with the community. thank god for andy, your arrogance is overwhelming...-0

Besides, as my friend who convinced me to come back (after I was gone thoroughly for about 4 months - which, I take it, is what prime meant by "the right way") said, "Isn't it more of a statement to stop paying for a service you used to be willing to buy for yourself, your friends, and players of your tournaments? To stop paying, but still play from time to time while continuing to mention the problems that made you unwilling to financially support the place?"

I think prime sent a triple dog dare, to have concerned members stay but not pay.

[stahrgazer]

I certainly know Premium Members are a large portion of the Communities, as I mentioned. However, there are equally if not larger numbers of Users, Premium and Freemium alike, who are not apart of the Forum Community who additionally drive Conquer Club's Gaming Community.

It is most certainly a balancing act, as pointed out, to make both groups of people satisified with our service.


--Andy

if the majority of c.c. users do not visit the forums, then whats the big deal about making the minority happy and fix the forums, ease up on the bannings, allow flame wars, allow a more liberal stance on whats permitted in the forums, like it used to be.

if the majority do not read the forums, then whos offended? not the minority, they know what to expect when entering the forums, well they used to know what to expect b4 the the big crack down.

Careful, azezzo, when you swing your logic around

[stahrgazer]

With any service, there will always be a group of users who are unsatisfied with the service to some varying degrees. I think, however, Conquer Club has a larger number of users satisified with the service, than those unsatisified, and the rate of satisifaction (for instance Premium Purchases, or sticking around the website as a free user) doesn't seem to be losing to dissatisfaction.

Andy's comment is another way of saying, "individuals do not matter to this site, because we have it in numbers."

That's somewhat honest, but not totally. If numbers of premium members drop too much, everyone converting to freemie, the site admin will eventually have to care.

When I got fed up, CC lost $175 - $275 this year alone from my premium, premiums I was planning to purchase for others, and premiums the site won't get because I told friends who were planning to join, not to bother. We've found other places to play together instead of having them join here.

[obliterationX]

With any service, there will always be a group of users who are unsatisfied with the service to some varying degrees. I think, however, Conquer Club has a larger number of users satisified with the service, than those unsatisified, and the rate of satisifaction (for instance Premium Purchases, or sticking around the website as a free user) doesn't seem to be losing to dissatisfaction.

Andy's comment is another way of saying, "individuals do not matter to this site, because we have it in numbers."

That's somewhat honest, but not totally. If numbers of premium members drop too much, everyone converting to freemie, the site admin will eventually have to care.

When I got fed up, CC lost $175 - $275 this year alone from my premium, premiums I was planning to purchase for others, and premiums the site won't get because I told friends who were planning to join, not to bother. We've found other places to play together instead of having them join here.

oh n0ez.

[Minister Masket]

I haven't re-applied for Premium, but that's because I'm a massive cheapskate.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I find many users are not extending premium lately as a way of showing CC that they aren't going to take this banning spree lightly. I am curious as to how many of these people there are.

If you find a problem with the way the site is run and because of that you are not extending your premium then go ahead and post here. This will help keep it organized so we can see how many people really are effected by these bannings.

If you would like to go into detail as to what happened and why you aren't extending you may, please do not flame, be sensible and explain in detail. If not, we will just assume the reason you are not extending is due to Team CC's management in some way or the other.

If this does not apply to you then do not respond to it, it will be considered off-topic and I will report it.

I just extended mine by 5 years. I feel the need to push all my records for nobody to ever beat.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Again, some mods give their pet antagonizers a pass, in games, in forums, in chat... then another pass, and another, even at times helping fan the flames; then step in against anyone who dares, ultimately, to retort against their pet players or have the audacity to suggest that these sorts of mods do not do the jobs they volunteered to do, but instead, wield power like their own personal billyclub against whomever they choose to dislike.

I'd like to see someone actually man up and list out who they think the moderator's pets are for once instead of just referring to them as a general group. Mostly because I'd like to go down the list and refer to the official records and see how accurate it is as to whether or not these "pets" are actually sporting such unblemished records like everyone claims.

Feel free to send me a PM anytime with a list. I truly would be interested.

As for the idea of not renewing premium, it isn't a "new" threat. People have threatened to do it for a plethora of reasons since I first joined the site. Only a very few of them actually go through with it, and oddly enough most of them continue to "enjoy" the services here with silver ranks instead of gold. Quite the strong message you show with that.

Ill man up and say all the mods love me. But im probably the only man here

[King_Herpes]

What if this site isn't around for 5 years? Then you just fucked yourself. In the ass. Hard.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

What if this site isn't around for 5 years? Then you just fucked yourself. In the ass. Hard.

$125 bucks ? I guess some call that fucked hard

[AAFitz]

What if this site isn't around for 5 years? Then you just fucked yourself. In the ass. Hard.

$125 bucks ? I guess some call that fucked hard

in the right city, $125 is indeed a hard f*ck.

But I agree, I was spending that almost every year here on other peoples premiums anyways.

I think all the super-frequent players should be paying more anyways...

[King_Herpes]

I think you two may have some sort of fucking problem.

[Timminz]

This thread has turned out to be much more enjoyable than I had expected.

Thanks old-timers.

[b.k. barunt]

Buncha old farts.


Honibaz

[RjBeals]

or..you could just make a map. You get a free year of premium for each map you get quenched. Go ask cairnswk when his premium runs out... I think it's like 2026...

[whitestazn88]

or..you could just make a map. You get a free year of premium for each map you get quenched. Go ask cairnswk when his premium runs out... I think it's like 2026...

he's got what, 18 maps done right? does das schloss count twice? and he's got like 3 more up and running

[jiminski]

or..you could just make a map. You get a free year of premium for each map you get quenched. Go ask cairnswk when his premium runs out... I think it's like 2026...

Excellent! you should be expecting: Doodle Earth II, Doodle World, Doodle Till You Puke and I Just Can't stop Doodling... in the coming weeks.

[stahrgazer]

I think you two may have some sort of fucking problem.

LOL KH, how's my fav disease?

To answer prime from a few responds ago,
1) I'm not a man.
2) Ask Twill, Hyrasri, James Vazquez, or a couple other mods that I femmed up and explained my concerns to for months before I got so fed up that I gave up.
3) If the site really doesn't care who pays and who rides for free, well, goodie for you. (I bet that uncaring would change if everyone DID boycott paying, though!)

[AAFitz]

I think you two may have some sort of fucking problem.

LOL KH, how's my fav disease?

To answer prime from a few responds ago,
1) I'm not a man.
2) Ask Twill, Hyrasri, James Vazquez, or a couple other mods that I femmed up and explained my concerns to for months before I got so fed up that I gave up.
3) If the site really doesn't care who pays and who rides for free, well, goodie for you. (I bet that uncaring would change if everyone DID boycott paying, though!)

That of course is true. But everyone is not going to boycott. Further, there is nothing the site could do to possibly keep some from not boycotting. You simply cannot keep all the people happy all the time.

Further, since your concern was mostly about flame wars, and how you felt it was unfair, and clearly the main draw of the site, beyond the unlimited games, and multiple other forums with lots of great people:

Isnt it just possible, that the site owners, just didnt want to be associated with a site that had the kinds of things that flame wars has on it? Did you ever think that as individuals, they simply said, " I dont care if this costs me a bit of money. I simply dont want to have that forum on my game anymore."

"Do you realize that it probably was not a financial decision, but a personal one, and one that was made knowing full well, that It may or may not have been the best financial one?"

This is a site without one advertisement on it. It has tens of thousands of users, and it doesnt have one advertisement on it. Not one pop up by anyone. Do you think this was a financial decision? Or does it suggest the kind of person the owner of the site is, and why he makes the decisions he makes?

My point is, this site is being run by a guy, who has the talent and intellect to program this game. Do you really think a few people leaving was unexpected?

Further, do you not realize how many people are so much happier without flame wars, and without the constant flaming all over the site. Do you not realize how many parents are thankful, and more willing to let their kids play in here, on what is an incredibly intense game, filled with options of speed, strategy, and pure psychological warfare?

Do you not realize how many people out there are buying other people premiums, because they enjoy this site so much? How many people would gladly kick in a little more if asked? Or how much more lack could actually charge, especially compared to what he offers above other sites....forum included?

I hardly frequent a lot of games, but Ive seen enough though. This is still one of the most open forums around in a game like this. Certainly, it is the most comprehensive and best global strategy game around. So, really, do you think that everyone is going to just boycott this place? Or that youre $255 impact will ever have any impact? Or more importantly, that the things you dont like, are the exact things that others like, and inspire them to spend even more?

Just some examples for the flip side of your suggested boycott, and perhaps, just a bit of insight as to the possible motivations that an owner of a game like this, might have for making decisions, that his name and reputation are at stake on.

Its easy for all of us to suggest what should be, and what should be allowed, but there is no cost for us to make these suggestions. However, for the owner, he puts his life and entire reputation on the line. If you think $225 is going to get him to get him to sell out what he feels is morally correct, I think you are mistaken. I dont think $2250; $22,500; $225,000 would...
Maybe at $2,250,000 morals might be compromised, but thats not my place to say. If you have that cash, you may very well be able to get him to reinstate flame wars, and get some perma bannned players back. Myself, ill lobby for it, for say the $225,000 number.