donelladan wrote:Maybe I put to many negation and get lost with the english.
I meant, you had a way to win otherwise, that is why you should not have made the deal. ( and being in the lead of game is even worse....making your case totally undefendable)
I consider this kind of deal could be OK if it is your only chance of winning. ( for both of the players).
I made the deal because i had about 87.5% odds of winning right on the spot! The deal originally was using 15 on castile to take out 5 on granada or win any 3 of 1v1 games. It was not a 50/50 odds deal. If I didn't, I would still have to slog it out, would u not take 15v5 odds or win any game out of 3 1v1 games? How was it not defendable? Again the deal was made with misunderstanding of the rules and we already admitted it was wrong.
josko.ri wrote:xiangwang wrote:josko.ri wrote:xiangwang wrote:Also looked, between the 53 8 man freestyle games we played together (from my last 140 games), 33 of them won by kiron or me. Since I won 15, Kiron was 18 giving Kiron a win rate of 34%. I'm not going to go through Kiron's win rate, but lets say it's waay higher than 34% (I would predict mid 50s). If anything, playing with each other hurts our individual chances of winning. Our combined win rate is about 62%, well yeah, take two 50% players together (usually you expect 75%), but accounting for errors, you get 62%, well within normal reasoning.
This is now good way of math. When playing together you together have 62% (out of maximal 100%). When playing alone, Xingwang has 49% (out of maximal 100%). How much has Kiron? That will give good numbers for comparison if you benefited from games together.
I predict about 53-56%. Also that's no completely correct because we can't both win, you are assuming we both win and also there is 1 less random player since you are making sound like it's 2 vs. 6 players.
edit: doing quick count (off up to 3 games)
Kiron played 183 8 freestyle man games (though he did get DQed from 4 when we pulled the multi prank) so 179 for its sake.
126 games without me and 53 with me.
kiron got 94 wins in 8 player.
He played 53 games with me and had 18 wins or 34%
Kiron played 126 games without me and had 76 wins or 60%.
So in total, when playing together, you both have 33 of 53 62% vs 6 players.
When playing alone, you both have (38+76)/(77+126)=114/203= 56%.
As I counted your success in games together, then you are right about 7 opponents comparing to 6 opponents, so 33/53 can be multiplied by 6/7 and result is 53%.
Ok, numbers (if they are correct) say you do not benefit by playing together in comparing with not playing together.
Not sure if agree with your math, but either way (my way or yours), Chariot's argument that we benefit from playing in the same game is false!
