Decline of "Whose forum is it anyway?"

[BigBallinStalin]

I agree with TGD. This thread is more OT-related than GD-related. I wouldn't want to waste the GD'ers time with OT-related politics.

[2dimes]

I wouldn't want to waste the GD'ers time with OT-related politics.

I would.

[BigBallinStalin]

I wouldn't want to waste the GD'ers time with OT-related politics.

I would.

[universalchiro]

... why do you care?

I enjoy coherent dialogue where I can potentially learn other ideas from people around the world. The ability to communicate with another culture or even one with similar views and background is edifying.

You may have such intentions, but you do not follow through. Great examples abound in the religious threads where people pressure you to justify your position, and you inevitably regress into... dodge tactics... People don't like that... To discourage such behavior, your topics become sabotaged and derailed. It's a natural mechanism for meting out OT justice.

In short, your? being... a prick.

I understand your view, we disagree on whether I'm avoiding rebuttals, but still there is no need to implement Argumentum Ad Hominem. Please keep discussion above personal attacks, thanks.
However, thank you for validating my point that there are a handful of saboteurs and derailers that purposefully sabotage and derail a topic within a forum of CC.

[BigBallinStalin]

... why do you care?

I enjoy coherent dialogue where I can potentially learn other ideas from people around the world. The ability to communicate with another culture or even one with similar views and background is edifying.

You may have such intentions, but you do not follow through. Great examples abound in the religious threads where people pressure you to justify your position, and you inevitably regress into Phatscotty dodge tactics--especially by repeating yourself while ignoring sensible counter-points. People don't like that because PS tactics are disrespectful. To discourage such behavior, your topics become sabotaged and derailed. It's a natural mechanism for meting out OT justice.

In short, you're butthurt about being punished by the community for being a prick.

I understand your view, we disagree on whether I'm avoiding rebuttals, but still there is no need to implement Argumentum Ad Hominem. Please keep discussion above personal attacks, thanks.
However, thank you for validating my point that there are a handful of saboteurs and derailers that purposefully sabotage and derail a topic within a forum of CC.

When one engages in PS dodging, they're being a prick. So, it's not an ad hominem because it's true. Note the distinction between "being a prick" and "is a prick." I said that you were "being a prick" which is true--in the context already mentioned which you've conveniently omitted (*PS dodging already?).

If you can't realize when you're regressing into PS tactics, then either you'll learn, or you'll continue to ignore the counter-points. It's up to you.

Aside from supplying the demand for lulz, derails and sabotage also serve as a useful feedback mechanism. When you act disrespectful, you won't be respected. It's pretty simple. Instead of handling your problems like a mature adult, you've chosen to complain to GD about how your being a prick led to the consequence of being punished by the OT community. Grow up or keep ignoring your actions which cause the appropriate reaction.

[thegreekdog]

@thegreekdog: that's three times you've sounded the same message. I fully understand your messege, you were clear the first time.

And yet you've yet to address any of my points or provide and sort of discussion point other than "you said that already" and "because." Although, perhaps this is an explanation:

... why do you care?

I enjoy coherent dialogue where I can potentially learn other ideas from people around the world. The ability to communicate with another culture or even one with similar views and background is edifying.

You may have such intentions, but you do not follow through. Great examples abound in the religious threads where people pressure you to justify your position, and you inevitably regress into Phatscotty dodge tactics--especially by repeating yourself while ignoring sensible counter-points. People don't like that because PS tactics are disrespectful. To discourage such behavior, your topics become sabotaged and derailed. It's a natural mechanism for meting out OT justice.

In short, you're butthurt about being punished by the community for being a prick.

In short, you're going to have to bring something more substantial to this discussion. I would expect more given you've deigned to denigrate the OT folks by noting some perceived decline. This is a perfect forum (little "f") for you to show how you would engage in a serious discussion and so far you've failed... not by any subjective reason on my part, but objectively. You haven't shown why you believe OT has declined in any sufficient manner, you haven't provided any counterpoints as to why this belongs in GD (which is separate and apart from the main discussion which you've begun here) and so far no GD denizens have deigned (TWICE IN ONE POST!) to post in this thread. I would suggest you go back and hone your discussion/debate skills before engaging with the poor, derailing, moronic, "declining" folk of OT.

[universalchiro]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

[thegreekdog]

I don't know your definition of "saboteur" but, by my definition, such folks are easily ignored, but, generally should be addressed given that they often have valid points (e.g. there are threads on Republican and Democratic nominees for US president, which is entirely too soon to begin discussing). The same goes for derailers, I suppose. In any event, saboteurs and derailers would not, by themselves, evidence a decline in OT.

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter? Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

[universalchiro]

I don't know your definition of "saboteur" but, by my definition, such folks are easily ignored, but, generally should be addressed given that they often have valid points... saboteurs and derailers would not, by themselves, evidence a decline in OT.

I hear you. The definition of saboteur for CC forum is one that purposely/deliberately destroys a thread/topic, hinders discussion of topic. The definition of derailer is one who purposely/deliberately changes the topic of thread.

It's not to say a saboteur or derailer can't have a valid point, point conceded. It is to say that saboteurs and derailers take away from the enjoyment of dialogue within CC's forum.
It's difficult to sift through pages of derailment to read an actual, on topic, intelligent post. Ergo the ignore approach isn't working. Look at the lack of diversity in the CC forums. Seems many players have chosen to avoid trying to have an adult conversation with all the childish derailers.

[Serbia]

I enjoy coherent dialogue where I can potentially learn other ideas from people around the world. The ability to communicate with another culture or even one with similar views and background is edifying.

It's difficult to sift through pages of derailment to read an actual, on topic, intelligent post. Ergo the ignore approach isn't working. Look at the lack of diversity in the CC forums. Seems many players have chosen to avoid trying to have an adult conversation with all the childish derailers.

Solution? Go find a new forum on a different website. Problem (potentially) solved!

Bollocks.

[universalchiro]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

[Shannon Apple]

The quality of players will ebb and flow as with all things cyclical, however "Whose forum is it anyway?" is being held hostage by an ilk of derailers that topics they don't like gets attacked and derailed in short order.

Anyone else experience the same detrimental derailing effect that has declined the quality of discussion in CC's "Whose forum is it anyway?"?

Welcome to forums in general.

If they aren't making an obvious derailment for "funsies", you get people derailing threads with strawmen arguments that they will continue to defend and bring up long after everyone else has pretty much let them know that they're wrong and bordering on retarded. They just want to end the topic with their point still intact in their mind.

It's only through strict moderation that the obvious crap can be prevented, the other is harder to deal with. However, I don't think "Whose forum is it anyway" is the place for that because it looks like and is a spam forum, so you can't regulate one topic over another. If there was a separate debates subforum, or serious discussion subforum where rules were enforced by discussion team, then maybe.

[The Voice]

This thread is now about kittens.

[Foxglove]

You haven't shown why you believe OT has declined in any sufficient manner, you haven't provided any counterpoints as to why this belongs in GD (which is separate and apart from the main discussion which you've begun here) and so far no GD denizens have deigned (TWICE IN ONE POST!) to post in this thread. I would suggest you go back and hone your discussion/debate skills before engaging with the poor, derailing, moronic, "declining" folk of OT.

Welcome, off topic friends, welcome! I personally greet the advent our garrulous forum cousins with joy and love. Perhaps I will even poke my head and words into your threads some day soon!

[Army of GOD]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Can we derail this thread yet?

[universalchiro]

Almost there.

[thegreekdog]

You haven't shown why you believe OT has declined in any sufficient manner, you haven't provided any counterpoints as to why this belongs in GD (which is separate and apart from the main discussion which you've begun here) and so far no GD denizens have deigned (TWICE IN ONE POST!) to post in this thread. I would suggest you go back and hone your discussion/debate skills before engaging with the poor, derailing, moronic, "declining" folk of OT.

Welcome, off topic friends, welcome! I personally greet the advent our garrulous forum cousins with joy and love. Perhaps I will even poke my head and words into your threads some day soon!

YAY!

[AndyDufresne]

Since the first post expressly asked me not to post, I have politely refrained from posting.

But, then I came across a piece sage wisdom that seemed fitting to this discussion. Kenkō, a Buddhist priest writing in the early 1330s, wrote a collection of random thoughts to stave off boredom. This collection came to be known as "Essays in Idleness." In one thought he wrote:

'A house which multitudes of workmen have polished with every care, where strange and rare Chinese and Japanese furnishings are displayed, and even the grasses and trees of the garden have been trained unnaturally, is ugly to look at and most depressing.'

Trans. Donald Keene, Essays in Idleness, second paperback edition, ISBN: 978-0-231-11255-0

--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

If UC can't justify why his question matters, and if he cannot reasonably explain his rejection of his deserved punishment, then we can confidently conclude:

OT: 1
UC: 0

[universalchiro]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

If UC can't justify why his question matters, and if he cannot reasonably explain his rejection of his deserved punishment, then we can confidently conclude:

OT: 1
UC: 0

I concede,
Derailers +1
UC +0

Apparently the derailers are doing CC a great service by derailing topics in "Whose forum is it anyway?". And the ability of the derailers to wisely chose which topics to derail is of course performed to the highest standards without suppressing alternative views that they deem unworthy of further discussion in CC forum.

[Army of GOD]

WE WON!!!!

[Dukasaur]

Truth is virtually impossible to suppress, and it can certainly survive the presence of a few wisecracks.

Genuine debate manages to shine through the noise without any difficulty, including the noise of alleged "derailments." The only debate capable of being submerged is that debate which was not genuine to begin with -- usually the sermons of pontificating demagogues whose ego is bruised so much by not having sole possession of the limelight that they cannot continue to preach.