Woodruff wrote:Mr_Adams wrote:May I suggest the people who aren't idiots leave this thread and allow those who are to vent? We all know that Woodruff knows well what is meant by farming, and his idiotic complaints had no power until Voldemort, with his mod powers, gave it legitamacy by recognizing this as a credible argument. So much crap could be avoided on CC if the mods would realize that there are some threads that will be made that they just need to keep thier hands out of, and let die down... like this one. and don't make me draw out my segregation-points shift diagram again. this has already been gone over.
Well, that's quite the rational, logical argument. It's too bad you had to bother showing your ass to the world like that.
What I "know" is that the "book definition" of farming is illogical and irrational to the stated purpose of stopping it. If the true intent is to keep players coming back (which I certainly want also), then the ability to min-max ranks in game-starts IS the solution to the problem. It would nearly eliminate farming (and make it painfully obvious in those cases where it continued) while allowing new players to have the enjoyable, competitive experience which would make them want to return. It would also, of course, allow the experienced players to be assured of playing against those of at least reasonably-similar ranks. Someone in one of the threads posted a VERY good way of implementing it (using some sort of a percentage of the game-starter's score) that REALLY softened the blow as to it becoming a rank-segregation thing...in other words, it was virtually not a rank-segregator other than for the very top ranks (who have no business playing the very lowest ranks anyone, really).
elfish_lad wrote:Perhaps, like in many sections of the online game world, CC will develop "tiers" of players. Only time and experience will tell, but I would have hated to have only been in a room of "?" in my first week here. I learned LOT'S by beating some higher ranks.
Let me get this straight...as a ?, you would have hated to have been stuck playing other ?'s for your first five games? Doesn't that presume that all ?'s are terrible players and following through on that logic, doesn't that mean that at that time, you were a terrible player? I'm not saying you were, of course...but if you were not, then the presumption that the others are is just as faulty. I don't believe it's a terrible inconvenience for ?'s to be limited to playing other ?'s, cooks, cadets and maybe privates in their first five games and in fact, I very much believe it would ENHANCE their experience and make them more interested in staying around.
You are focussing too much on the new recruits getting annoyed, and not the larger picture. If I join a game against a good player on their favorite map, I will lose too. Losing is something you have to get used to.
The key to the rule, is the COMBINATION of the factors. The reason NEW RECRUITS are off limits, is because, not only do they have no experience, not only do they not understand the game, and the maps, not only do we not want to scare them away...but also, the rate of deadbeating out, is much, much higher. Its the combination of all of these factors. Quite frankly, I suggest players go up against the best players on the site whenever they can on their favorite map. Its how Ive learned every single one. But I definitely dont do it, until you get used to playing.
Sure, its still farming if someone joins lots of new players, but it really doesnt HAVE to be against the rules, because eventually, those players will learn. But farming NEW RECRUITS, messes up everything. It steals points that likely will never get put back into the system, takes the chance of scaring them off early, and clearly runs up scores, to the point of making them pointless. Woodruff, youre a reasonable guy. Youve taken a stance on this, and a passionate one, and I was there with you at one point myself.... but take another look at it.. remember it is a game, realize the complexity, if not impossibility of stopping farming against all new players...and maybe just accept that NEW RECRUITS ARE OFF LIMIT TO FARMING, and play accordingly. Its very easy to do.
I do wish feudal was made off limits long ago though, because it really is a tarpit for those poor little bastards.
