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[azezzo]

qoute eddie murphy, " italians act more like niggers than we do"

just what is that supposed to mean, is that some kind of back handed compliment?

[Woodruff]

qoute eddie murphy, " italians act more like niggers than we do"

just what is that supposed to mean, is that some kind of back handed compliment?

I lived in Italy for 3 months and I have no idea at all what he means.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

by azezzo » Sat May 23, 2009 8:00 pm
I'm guessing lackattack wont mind me calling someone a " monday" or a "democrat" but given my tone he may find my calling someone a "canadian" offensive.









Today Democrat ain't a dirty word, as say....Republican.

general stoneham, i thought you were from chgo, are you being cute, or do you not know the meaning of those 3 words?
ask a chgo police officer and he will be happy to inform you.

Chicago police officers are predominately DEMOCRATIC. BUT, please, educate me about the cop's view, as I have had numerous dealings with cops.

[bjc23]

Well jeez, ronc8649, congratulations (but if you still have the desire to help out the site that you love, I won't protest your payment for premium membership for me)...

I apologize for my long post a few pages ago. I just had a lot to say. Many people have been giving great ideas, but it's time to work toward proper discipline. AndyDufresne seems to be asking primarily for a middle ground, for the punishment and repercussions of using bigoted attacks on people.

MY IDEA: The first offense should receive a warning, the same, apparently, as all offenses at the moment. But this warning should include something along the lines of: "Unlike other offenses such as (place "no-no's" here), bigotry infractions have stiffer penalties for future offenses. If you decide to break our rules set for bigotry misbehavior again, your next castigation will be an extended ban, and if you choose to affront the rules we have set up yet again, you will be permanently banned" or something along those lines.

[owenshooter]

qoute eddie murphy, " italians act more like _____ than we do"

just what is that supposed to mean, is that some kind of back handed compliment?

it is very obvious and quite apparent that you have not even read the summary on page 20, much less the bulk of the thread. if you have nothing more constructive to say other than some juvenile means of posting the "N" word, i suggest you stay out of the thread. the admins, namely andy, have gone out if their/his way to have an open and constructive dialogue about the bigotry guidelines, and you are adding nothing, not even comic relief. bad enough we had to wade through early comments by admins/mods/bigoted members that were very short sighted on this (one of them due to my involvement in the discussion). so why should we have to deal with your comments that add nothing to the dialogue? everyone seems to have come around on this. we all may not agree, but we have all kept the dialogue above board and for the most part been respectful of each other. please do the same.-0

[thelastpatriot]

LOL, Ok lets get back to reality. First your ideas on racism is as deep as bath water. I see everyone jumping on the "N" word band wagon trying to be racially politically correct. Or the defender of the gay movements. But one comment got no response at all. I'm not sure if the comment was a test or how this person really feels but it was never given a second glance. Why. Because it was made about white, christian men. Here is the comment just in case you over looked it:

Re: Bigotry on CC

Postby mpjh » Fri May 22, 2009 11:19 am
I find that white, male, fundamentalist christians miss more turns than others.

This world has a very narrow minded view on racism and discrimination. Everyone wants to change the world you all want to make it better. Racism and discrimination has to be addressed from every angle not just the ones we choose.

I'm pretty sure the reason that comment was ignored was because it was quite painfully clear to be not any sort of a serious racial remark at all, not that it had anything to do with "white, male fundamental Christians". That's certainly why I ignored it. Common sense must prevail.

I agree with both of you that this was probably an attempt to bait someone. When you start making rules and guidlines on what can and can not be said then everything that could be construde to offend anyone would have to be looked at. To me it just seems like you are waisting your time. People are gonna say what they want and unfortunately if they do get kicked off they would probably turn around and make a new account until they are caught.

[mpjh]

You guys need a serious adjustment on you irony meters. You can sit here an defend to the death the right to use the N word or imply its use, but placing a fairly innocuous negative implication for white, christian, fundamentalists is provocative to you. Pathetic.

[azezzo]

qoute eddie murphy, " italians act more like _____ than we do"

just what is that supposed to mean, is that some kind of back handed compliment?

it is very obvious and quite apparent that you have not even read the summary on page 20, much less the bulk of the thread. if you have nothing more constructive to say other than some juvenile means of posting the "N" word, i suggest you stay out of the thread. the admins, namely andy, have gone out if their/his way to have an open and constructive dialogue about the bigotry guidelines, and you are adding nothing, not even comic relief. bad enough we had to wade through early comments by admins/mods/bigoted members that were very short sighted on this (one of them due to my involvement in the discussion). so why should we have to deal with your comments that add nothing to the dialogue? everyone seems to have come around on this. we all may not agree, but we have all kept the dialogue above board and for the most part been respectful of each other. please do the same.-0

owenshooter, you are correct i have not and do not intend to read the summary, or wade thru all of this nonsense.
I do not believe that you and I have had any problems with one another in the past, not that we have had much direct contact, but from your numerous posts you seem to be well educated, but for whatever reason this is a personal sticking point for you, the race issue. I am not politically correct, and dont understand why it is so important to be. I dont understand how we as a country became so afraid to hurt someones feelings, in my opinion this has led to the pussification of our younger generation who have trouble leaving the comfort of mommys tit.
I grew up on the south side of chicago, where everyone had nicknames, usually nothing complimentary. We had polocks, degos, micks, beeners, spicks, greasy bohunks, lugans, kikes,and even niggers. In my neighborhood these names meant nothing other than where you came from, what meant something was what kind of a person you were, did you stand up for yourself, and your family, or not. Today a kid gets a bloody nose and the police get involved because mommys afraid it might escalate and someone might get shot over some small b.s. Used to be guys fought with their own 2 fists, and when it was over, it was over. Society is deteriorating, just wait till todays kids have kids, there wont be enough metal detectors to go around, the teachers are already afraid of the out of control kids, there is no discipline, and God forbid you hurt someones feelings, you might get shot.

pimpdave, who from what i can tell from his avatar and his claiming to be out "pimpin" from his profile a black man, put that link out there for eddie murphy on utube. about italians being niggers, but thats ok i guess.

I do not want to get into a pissing match over this, and cant understand why this is an issue, c.c.'s stance has always been foe the bastard. good enough in my opinion.

owenshooter, if you still have a problem with me feel free to send me a pm and we can discuss this further.

--azezzo

[ronsizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJBrehCAyxE

i think this is absolutely hilarious. do black people get offended by this. and when i say black people. i am excluding owenshooter. everything offends him. so i am not even worried about his feelings anymore.

the little boy cried wolf one too many times for me guys.

[pimpdave]

bad enough we had to wade through early comments by admins/mods/bigoted members that were very short sighted on this (one of them due to my involvement in the discussion). so why should we have to deal with your comments that add nothing to the dialogue? everyone seems to have come around on this. we all may not agree, but we have all kept the dialogue above board and for the most part been respectful of each other. please do the same.-0

What you talkin bout, Willis?

What bigoted member are you talking about?

[ronsizzle]

the reason for that last post was to show you guys that the word nigger isnt always bad!

just like when richard pryor said "cops dont kill cars, they kill niggars".

or is that ok because these samples are from black people, and if a white person said them, then all black people would revolt, and start rioting?

come on guys. racism isnt going crazy in here. and the only reason it keeps getting brought up is because 1 person thinks he was "screwed" in the way that mods dealt with his situation.

am i the only one that thinks this way? i guess not, look at the poll.

[jiminski]

ok,

well as i see it...

What we need is the transformation of breaking bigotry 'guidelines' into breaking rules on bigotry.

This means that instead of it being pretty much unsanctionable it falls under the remit of the Mods.

Now that needs to be very carefully handled as it could be a tool for mods to use to get rid of people who are a pain in their arse, rather than them truly warranting heavy action.
The mods are good but they are only human; with the ability to retaliate, become exasperated and take things personally. Sure they are of a type of character less likely to but they are not exempt from vindictive acts (We should remember the mod ACIceman deleting Spamallot as a good example of what can happen.)

So increased severity of punishment under the following circumstance:

- Bigotry of unquestionable intent* i.e. a target and a framework of intended hurt. That should protect me, for example, if i am merely using a phrase to lambaste the term itself.
- Large weighting of referral toward the intended target of bigotry - i.e. lenience or special consideration should be shown if the recipient of the abuse is not offended and took it as a joke.** This means 3rd parties can report but that they are secondary to those involved directly. Those involved should be quizzed as to intent and offence taken. Of course there will be cases with no direct target and in that case it is a straight judgement for the mods.
- Bigotry of the most excessive of forms. - this is common sense, i do not believe we need a list of words as they will be ever-changing bar a few timeless terms. If we focus upon specific words rather than their tone and intent we actually limit this to superficiality.
- Grey areas need a more careful assessment and perhaps repetition to determine a pattern of abuse. For bigotry to be harshly punished it should be heinous and obvious. Thereby assuaging the humourists who fly close to the sun. Again that does not mean the smart bigots .. (not too many around) can dance around the rules to inflict hurt, it just means they get the benefit of the doubt until it is obvious as to their intent.
- Perhaps the introduction of a members court of appeal: This could even be made up of 12 random 'jurors', drafted in to hear those who feel they were unfairly treated and banned. The court would be made up of normal members, not mods who may appear to have a vested interest. (though controversial i think it would get all people on-board and actually protect the position of individual members and mods alike)


anyway, there is more stuff but i need to bugger off now.



*Azezzo's seemingly unnecessary use of 'nigger' above, may also be a good example of manipulating the system that we should consider. If he can explain the point of the use then maybe it is useful to the discussion, perhaps it was intended to be an example of irony which would test the absolute nature of bigotry? That in itself can be another useful example of context but at present i don't really see that being at its core.
Edit: Az explained above as i was writing this

**it will be bloody obvious if two mates are taking the piss out of the system rather than out of themselves.

[owenshooter]

and the only reason it keeps getting brought up is because 1 person thinks he was "screwed" in the way that mods dealt with his situation.

ron, what in the hell are you talking about? i didn't start this thread, and this thread isn't solely about racism, it is about bigotry. obviously you have not read the thread, as there are many examples by many members of various types of bigotry they have dealt with here on CC. your continual posting of the N word shows you have truly not learned your lesson, and you are simply not worth the effort anymore. you have proven yourself to be exactly what you declare yourself not to be. good job. and please stop bringing me up and trolling this thread in an effort to bait me into a flame war. this thread is not about me, it is about bigotry on CC, and from the posts and andy's input, it is obvious it is a far larger problem than you are willing to recognize. afterall, you still seem to be part of the problem.-0

[thelastpatriot]

You guys need a serious adjustment on you irony meters. You can sit here an defend to the death the right to use the N word or imply its use, but placing a fairly innocuous negative implication for white, christian, fundamentalists is provocative to you. Pathetic.

Last post for me. First off no one is defending the use of any racism. You writing a statement that can be construed as a racial remark and then laying in wait for someone to take the bait is not only pathetic but asinine. This has gotten to stupid

[mpjh]

Every time one of you neanderthals uses the N word or its derivative, you are doing exactly the same thing. Sure can dish it out, but cannot take it, can you?

[jiminski]

Every time one of you neanderthals uses the N word or its derivative, you are doing exactly the same thing. Sure can dish it out, but cannot take it, can you?

What is the point you are trying to make mpj?

[mpjh]

The point is clear enough, think about it.

[jiminski]

The point is clear enough, think about it.

I am trying to engage you into contributing more than lazy one liners which are obtuse and snide. If you have a point please make it more eloquently so it may be of some use.

[mpjh]

My point is succinct, clear, and relevant. If you can't get it, well that is your loss.

[jiminski]

My point is succinct, clear, and relevant. If you can't get it, well that is your loss.

ok

[thelastpatriot]

Every time one of you neanderthals uses the N word or its derivative, you are doing exactly the same thing. Sure can dish it out, but cannot take it, can you?

oh please educate us ol wise one. Don't remember using the N word or any derivatives of it. You seem to have all the answers but are keeping all of them to yourself. Please don't keep us waiting any longer. Please enlighten us, PLEASE!


YOU WON'T BECAUSE ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS BE INTENTIONALLY VAGUE

[mpjh]

I am not vague at all. My posts are short and clear. You just don't like the truth.

[pimpdave]

It's amazing how blind people can be. mpjh made a good point, and you all refuse to see it. Take it for what it is.

[a.sub]

I am not vague at all. My posts are short and clear. You just don't like the truth.

having more people confused over what you say then ppl that understand it is most likely an error on your part
this is a discussion
meaning if you are too lazy to explain what you mean for people to talk about it
then you are not discussing, just trolling
and let me just say, ur "truth" is most likely a subjective comment
then again i cant say for sure unless you are willing to translate
CC Proudly presents the MPJH English dictionary

[a.sub]

It's amazing how blind people can be. mpjh made a good point, and you all refuse to see it. Take it for what it is.

or MPJH refuses to explain his point, which is what we are asking for
how can a blind man be blamed for not understanding that which isnt written in braille
you want to sound smart?
good for you
but the rest of us "simpletons" require something in the vernacular for us to understand
i apologize for my short comings and hope you can be big enough to make up for them
o great wise one