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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby e_i_pi on Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:01 am

GenuineEarlGrey wrote:
e_i_pi wrote:It all just sounds like inept people covering their arses after making a foolish mistake.

Sounds familiar. ;)

e_i_pi wrote:On occassion I am in team games with those people.

Do you let your opponents know when this happens?

Olkok told us that olkok and smokespride have almost the same names for their email accounts. When you look through their games, there appears to be no pattern. I can't imagine the mods making a bust without good reason. What do they know that we don't? Then why should they tell us!

This is why:

It appears to many people that olkok has been busted for something that does not appear to be wrong. A rule has not been quoted that holds ground - saying 'multiple accounts' means jack shit. Two accounts bought under the same credit card could be for father and son (why would a minor have a credit card?), and two accounts logging from the same IP could be people playing from the same computer or people babysitting accounts. Because the staff have not given a reason, these are the only conclusions the community are able to come to.

So, to the community it looks like someone has been busted either for buying their kid an account, for babysitting, or for playing from the same IP (which could include public locations such as internet cafes or libraries). None of those things are against the rules. Yet now it appears that they could be. But there is no clarification on this. So essentially big brother wants us to live in fear of what could happen to our accounts at the whim of the staff.

That is why they should tell us.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby AAFitz on Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:50 am

e_i_pi wrote:
GenuineEarlGrey wrote:
e_i_pi wrote:It all just sounds like inept people covering their arses after making a foolish mistake.

Sounds familiar. ;)

e_i_pi wrote:On occassion I am in team games with those people.

Do you let your opponents know when this happens?

Olkok told us that olkok and smokespride have almost the same names for their email accounts. When you look through their games, there appears to be no pattern. I can't imagine the mods making a bust without good reason. What do they know that we don't? Then why should they tell us!

This is why:

It appears to many people that olkok has been busted for something that does not appear to be wrong. A rule has not been quoted that holds ground - saying 'multiple accounts' means jack shit. Two accounts bought under the same credit card could be for father and son (why would a minor have a credit card?), and two accounts logging from the same IP could be people playing from the same computer or people babysitting accounts. Because the staff have not given a reason, these are the only conclusions the community are able to come to.

So, to the community it looks like someone has been busted either for buying their kid an account, for babysitting, or for playing from the same IP (which could include public locations such as internet cafes or libraries). None of those things are against the rules. Yet now it appears that they could be. But there is no clarification on this. So essentially big brother wants us to live in fear of what could happen to our accounts at the whim of the staff.

That is why they should tell us.


or we trust they looked into all of these options, made their determination that it was not these cases, and that illegal use of the account was made, and we have to trust that judgment, which is actually what a lot of others believe. That is why they dont have to tell us. To suggest they did this as a whim, is simply irresponsible. You actually know better, and are just ignoring that, on what has become your personal crusade. I do know full well they could be making a mistake. But I also know full well they looked into it deeply and didnt make the decision lightly....youve been here too long to not know that too, and now its obvious you just will say anything to try to prove your opinion correct.

Im part of the community and looking at this case, and seeing them busted makes me assume that the dad was making moves for the kid. Certainly he was logging into his account. My guess based on what ive seen is that he was making moves for the kid, and not just for babysitting purposes. My guess, is that theyd only bust him for making moves. To think that a dad may very well make some moves to help out his kid is hardly a stretch. Ive seen it before in here on cases, and the dad always takes the wrap. I certainly dont know if that happened here, but I do know the hunters dont make busts for absolutely nothing, and that they looked into it, and made the best decision they could based on those facts. I know they cant share all of those facts with us.

I do hope it actually turns out that they made a mistake, but that does not mean they have, or that they owe you anything more than the best decision they could make. The fact that you cant understand or imagine the other reasons why they actually got busted, does not mean they need to be posted in my opinion. There are plenty that while regretting the verdict, still respect it because weve seen plenty of cases where people seemed innocent to many, and in fact were guilty.

The hunters simply deserve more respect than you are giving them. I believe in keeping them in check too. But since they Ive always seen them to be evenhanded and thorough in cases like this, Im willing to accept that they have continued to be so. Again, I hope they made a mistake, but they dont need to prove to anyone that they haven't. They have information we dont have, and cant have, and have made their decision based on that.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby olkok on Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:20 pm

I want to send out a big thank you for all who have put in comments regarding this situation. I was informed today that both accounts are now reinstated. I look forward to playing against you all in the future.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby hwhrhett on Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:26 pm

olkok wrote:I want to send out a big thank you for all who have put in comments regarding this situation. I was informed today that both accounts are now reinstated. I look forward to playing against you all in the future.


eww, caving into criticism from the community?? ewww... thank god they didnt listen when the forum-tards wanted wicked back....
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby GenuineEarlGrey on Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:18 pm

hwhrhett wrote:
olkok wrote:I want to send out a big thank you for all who have put in comments regarding this situation. I was informed today that both accounts are now reinstated. I look forward to playing against you all in the future.


eww, caving into criticism from the community?? ewww... thank god they didnt listen when the forum-tards wanted wicked back....

Nah! More.....
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby Serbia on Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:26 pm

hwhrhett wrote:
olkok wrote:I want to send out a big thank you for all who have put in comments regarding this situation. I was informed today that both accounts are now reinstated. I look forward to playing against you all in the future.


eww, caving into criticism from the community?? ewww... thank god they didnt listen when the forum-tards wanted wicked back....

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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby TheBro on Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:37 pm

I want to applaud the admins for not being stubborn and or ignorant, and overall making the right call. =D>

Well done E_i_pi.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:27 pm

This topic exists?


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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby Woodruff on Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:27 pm

hwhrhett wrote:
olkok wrote:I want to send out a big thank you for all who have put in comments regarding this situation. I was informed today that both accounts are now reinstated. I look forward to playing against you all in the future.


eww, caving into criticism from the community??


I hope not...nor do I believe that's the case. I hope that it's just a matter of them taking a more serious look at it BECAUSE of the questioning of the community.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby oVo on Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:09 am

hwhrhett wrote:eww, caving into criticism from the community?

It appears more like the case was reviewed, reversing the prior decision based on the evidence
and that they had no problem correcting a misunderstanding of circumstances.
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby e_i_pi on Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:30 am

Tisha wrote:a petition or poll isn't going to do anything... :?
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:38 pm

e_i_pi wrote:
Tisha wrote:a petition or poll isn't going to do anything... :?

Sorry to burst your bubble, tisha, e_i_pi---but the facts outside of this thread were looked at---I didn't even know it was in the GD. :)


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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby Tisha on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:54 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
e_i_pi wrote:
Tisha wrote:a petition or poll isn't going to do anything... :?

Sorry to burst your bubble, tisha, e_i_pi---but the facts outside of this thread were looked at---I didn't even know it was in the GD. :)


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so if a bunch of people vote to reinstate, then you will? :?
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Re: Petition (poll) to reinstate olkok and smokespride

Postby TheBro on Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:29 pm

So it just happened to get a third look?
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