The worst map on CC

[chaosfactor]

2nd Worst map on CC was...

The one Twill gave me when I spit-roasted Him and Andy in Canada back in 2006.

I followed it by star constellations, used a bit of Sagittarius combined with pythagorus and ended up in a kebap outlet slightly north of the Niagara falls.

Those were the days, cosmic conquered and Lacking the gaze.

[chaosfactor]

I agree on this front..

The worst maps on CC are these...

Battle For Iraq
Berlin 1961
D-Day Omaha Beach
Midkemdil
Operation Drug War

[Juan_Bottom]

I LOVE
Battle For Iraq
and
Austerlitz

I must be the only guy winning on Battle for Iraq.

But I am not a fan of
8 Thoughts
Crosswords
Forbidden City
Chinese Checkers
City Mogul
High Seas
King of the Mountains
Operation Drug War
U.S. Senate

I am not really a fan of tiny maps like Luxembourg or Doodle either... Or the traditionally recognized farming maps.

All of these are just because I don't like the way the games play. It's a matter of taste, which is what makes this site so great. There is a lot to choose from. Like most everyone else said, I appreciate what the mapmakers do, and I realize this site wouldn't stay relevant without them.

My favorite mapmakers are Cairnswk and Qwert. Just thought that I would throw that out there...

[The Neon Peon]

In my opinion, the worst map by far is Classic/Classic Shapes/Classic Art/World Cities. I personally don't think it should even be a part of the site.

Ever since I got to a decent rank I've been sick of how a ton of people are playing classic and only classic. I don't even know why I play check my inbox any more, the only things that ever get sent to me are invites for majors+ games on classic.

Firstly, the graphics have never been (until world cities) very good. Most maps for a long time have had much better graphics.
Secondly, the gameplay is nothing special.
Thirdly, if I wanted to play on the classic map, I'd get together with some of my friends. The only reason I play here/joined this site in the first place is to not have to play on that map.

[chaosfactor]

The 3rd best map Conquer ever made me was the one from the alcohol shop to the front-line

Get juiced in-it.

[the.killing.44]

The only reason I play here/joined this site in the first place is to not have to play on that map.

Then don't. I can safely say that a large majority of CC joined to play the Classic map because their friends don't play RISK (or they have no friends…?).

[Blitzaholic]

City Mogul is the worst because it is functionally a farming map.

Other cruddy maps include Draknor, USA Apocalypse, Oasis and more.

I rather enjoy these 3 maps: Draknor, USA Apocalypse, Oasis, but I do agree with you on city mogul being the worst, but do not forget pearl harbor due to it's unbalance.

[Hatchman]

A work of art is Dust Bowl!

[AAFitz]

I've found that any map that I play enough I start to like. I still can't stand usa. Seems so unbalanced. It just irritates me. A little iffy on usa apoc too. I'm kind of tired of fuedal. And I don't like big maps. world 2.1 is just annoying. Oh and Draknor, how irritating.

Maps I dislike playing

USA
USA Apoc
Fuedal
World 2.1
Great lakes
Draknor (worst)

world and great lakes are kind of the same. I don't think theres more skill in bigger maps like a lot of people do. I think its just more armies, more clicking, and a longer game. Playing world 2.1 just annoys me. Its the same as playing 3 games on classic.

So youre actually suggesting, that having more armies, more bonuses, more areas of attacks, more areas to fort, multiple more decisions to make, all directly affecting the outcome of the game doesnt mean more strategy...

What then is your definition of strategy....having very few options and picking the best one....but picking from more means less?

I understand where youre coming from, and believe me, many underestimate the map, and I think its because it does just appear to be a blow up of classic, but I assure you, I, and the many who play it often, some exclusively have learned otherwise, and essentially it comes down to scale, and percentages. Its size is geometrically bigger than many maps, it means that while your starting bonus is much bigger than other maps, its affect is often not similarly bigger. Usually, on a 1v1, player one gets 12, and player 2 gets 11....the dice then mean much more than these numbers, and more importantly, how they are used, where they are used, where they are forted, means much more than the numbers themselves. Many do become blowouts, but that is true of all maps...the difference here is, you have more options, more armies, and more time, to inch your way back from a bad round, or more importantly one bad roll...which is simply unrecoverable on a great many maps.

Really though, seeing is believing... only those that have played it enough come to realize this, and those that play it often, usually keep playing it. I honestly stumbled on world, simply because I liked playing it, and due to the fact that it does tend to work with my rather aggressive playing style anyways.

If nothing else, world at least gives you some time to have fun with it, even if you are losing, as opposed to a small map where you drop on one place every turn, and hope to get a good roll...often that place is predetermined, and you might as well be a computer playing, and might as well have flipped a coin to decide the outcome. That can happen on world too, just less often.

Fitz you think you can defeat me by overloading me with text. Ah, but I have a great plan to turn this against you. I will simply say, "I disagree", without reading all this. Then you will have to respond with 1,000 more words, and in this way you will eventually loose from exhaustion.

I will not loose argument where your entire premise and spelling are completely faulty.

There...14 words...and thank god I erased the "'e" from your.

[Qwert]

Juan_Bottom
My favorite mapmakers are Cairnswk and Qwert

thanks.

by The Neon Peon » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:20 am

In my opinion, the worst map by far is Classic/Classic Shapes/Classic Art/World Cities. I personally don't think it should even be a part of the site.

Agree-expecialy for Classic Art map,who after mine investigation(when i create Map Maker Index),i find that this map create CA and "elite" map maker,and they spend one day in creation of this map.When i say to hem that this is not correct to other map maker,they only laught on me,and show that they have power to do what every they want,and what is worst 6 map maker get medal for this one map. this map brake all rules in Map foundry,and only because they Mods(CA -cartographer assistant-man in blue)they can brake rules.All other map maker need to be kick in ass for 6 month to create map who need to pass all required thing-gameplay-graphic-xml-people support,but only this map no need to have this.
If you think that you can find topic-CLassic Art-then good luck ,because this not exist.
Classic Art map need to take same way(4-6 month)and you will get much better map,instead this map ,who is apsolutly unacepted.
If you create something in 24h-this can not be good.

[Bruceswar]

aww.. dustbowl haters started this thread - It was discussed during development to start decaying territs as neutrals, but ended up decided against. You might get lucky, you might not. Part of the fun.

It is not one of my favorites, but I'll play a game on it from time to time---I don't mind the random luck of the decay---every once in a while at least.

I'll have to start playing a couple of the maps that have come out over the past couple of months...so I can form an opinion on those---and see how they do against maps I like and dislike...


--Andy

Also, the map is very winnable even with decay taking effect, I dropped 4 or 5 in the decay and still took the game playing it dubs...

Austerlitz is a little confusing connection wise, I'll give you guys that. A couple of times I wasn't sure how the connections worked, but having BOB 100% solves all of those problems, so it still remains a good addition imho.

You fail to realize not every game is a doubles. In a 1 vs 1, you can be really screwed by the drop, or even in a multiplayer singles, but Dustbowl is not the worst by far.

[TheForgivenOne]

Wow, lots of opinions.

My least favorites :

Discworld- What a piece of crap, i looked at it, and went AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH MY EYES X_X

The rail series- Even though i won on europe, i personally did not understand it until round 7 or 8, and still didn't like the flow of traffic

Conquer Man- Impossibly long for a 1v1. Played it Real time, nearly took 2 hours. Need to try it on Dubs before i further my opinion on it

High Seas- Didn't like the design, the play of it. Personally not a fan of it.

Imperium Romanum- Confused the crap out of me. Played it twice.... still have no clue how it works XD

[cairnswk]

....
The rail series- Even though i won on europe, i personally did not understand it until round 7 or 8, and still didn't like the flow of traffic...

Sorry TheForgivenOne, but Rail Europe does not equal the Rail Series. There is also Rail USA and Rail Australia that you haven't played in the Rail Series.
The flow of traffic was designed so that it would be somewhat different from Rail USA and acts as dead end buffers on some lines.

[TheForgivenOne]

....
The rail series- Even though i won on europe, i personally did not understand it until round 7 or 8, and still didn't like the flow of traffic...

Sorry TheForgivenOne, but Rail Europe does not equal the Rail Series. There is also Rail USA and Rail Australia that you haven't played in the Rail Series.
The flow of traffic was designed so that it would be somewhat different from Rail USA and acts as dead end buffers on some lines.

lol i know that But i have watched people play on USA and Australia. didn't quite like it either Could be great maps to others, but to me, personally, just don't like it

No offense

[Qwert]

Imperium Romanum- Confused the crap out of me. Played it twice.... still have no clue how it works XD

This map is confused ,we can play doubles to find what confuse you

[cairnswk]

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lol i know that But i have watched people play on USA and Australia. didn't quite like it either Could be great maps to others, but to me, personally, just don't like it

No offense

Non taken, but just wanted to clear up about the rail series...

[the.killing.44]

Agree-expecialy for Classic Art map,who after mine investigation(when i create Map Maker Index),i find that this map create CA and "elite" map maker,and they spend one day in creation of this map.When i say to hem that this is not correct to other map maker,they only laught on me,and show that they have power to do what every they want,and what is worst 6 map maker get medal for this one map. this map brake all rules in Map foundry,and only because they Mods(CA -cartographer assistant-man in blue)they can brake rules.All other map maker need to be kick in ass for 6 month to create map who need to pass all required thing-gameplay-graphic-xml-people support,but only this map no need to have this.
If you think that you can find topic-CLassic Art-then good luck ,because this not exist.
Classic Art map need to take same way(4-6 month)and you will get much better map,instead this map ,who is apsolutly unacepted.
If you create something in 24h-this can not be good.

Cue the token qwert "dice are a conspiracy against me" rant. Really, you don't have to drag every thread off-topic with your "everyone is out to get me / slow my mapping or CC-playing progress down" spiels.

[Incandenza]

Cue the token qwert "dice are a conspiracy against me" rant. Really, you don't have to drag every thread off-topic with your "everyone is out to get me / slow my mapping or CC-playing progress down" spiels.

Maybe qwert's just commemorating the 1-year anniversary of the star chamber in his offbeat way...

[Qwert]

Cue the token qwert "dice are a conspiracy against me" rant. Really, you don't have to drag every thread off-topic with your "everyone is out to get me / slow my mapping or CC-playing progress down" spiels.

Are you say that im a lier? This is what im say its true.
When i create Map MAker Index,i check all map medals,and first what i find its that 6 people get medal for Classic Art,when i try to find Classic Art topic, i find that this topic not exist.
And this is not off-topic-read tittle-WORST MAP ON CC.
People say what not like-and classic art have one of worst graphic,and theme of this map its quite strange. Please just say openly,that im a liar,and that everything what im say its not true,that this map have same treatment like other maps,and that this map have best graphic in CC.Im quit post in Map foundry over 6 month now, because this things,and if you think that i need to quit posting in General Disscusion also,i will gladly fulfill your request.

Incandenza,i respect you,but you are one of 6 member who get medal for Classic Art-do you realy think that this map deserve to be in game,when you know that this map have very bad graphic? from you im expect honest answer.

[sheapaul]

...The rail series- Even though i won on europe, i personally did not understand it until round 7 or 8, and still didn't like the flow of traffic...

I agree, the rail series for me is the worst.

[Incandenza]

Incandenza,i respect you,but you are one of 6 member who get medal for Classic Art-do you realy think that this map deserve to be in game,when you know that this map have very bad graphic? from you im expect honest answer.

Honest answer? Well, classic art is certainly not the best map on the site, but it's better that classic shapes, and it's certainly better than nothing. And really, given all the other issues we had to deal with, I don't think how we could have done it much better. So yes, I do think it deserves to be on the site. Is it the best possible map? Of course not. But it was the best alternative in a crappy situation.

As far as the medals... I think management just wanted to give us a little something in recognition of the fact that we pulled together under insane circumstances and created something playable. Am I the least qualified map medal recipient in CC history? Probably, but that's not really the point, is it?

[the.killing.44]

Cue the token qwert "dice are a conspiracy against me" rant. Really, you don't have to drag every thread off-topic with your "everyone is out to get me / slow my mapping or CC-playing progress down" spiels.

Are you say that im a lier? This is what im say its true.
When i create Map MAker Index,i check all map medals,and first what i find its that 6 people get medal for Classic Art,when i try to find Classic Art topic, i find that this topic not exist.
And this is not off-topic-read tittle-WORST MAP ON CC.
People say what not like-and classic art have one of worst graphic,and theme of this map its quite strange. Please just say openly,that im a liar,and that everything what im say its not true,that this map have same treatment like other maps,and that this map have best graphic in CC.Im quit post in Map foundry over 6 month now, because this things,and if you think that i need to quit posting in General Disscusion also,i will gladly fulfill your request.

Incandenza,i respect you,but you are one of 6 member who get medal for Classic Art-do you realy think that this map deserve to be in game,when you know that this map have very bad graphic? from you im expect honest answer.

"Classic Art is the worst map, for reason x being something about the map" — on-topic
"Classic Art is the worst map, for reason x being I believe the mods are out to slow me down, and that since more than one person got a medal, blahdeblah" — off-topic

You can argue that Classic Art is the worst map—I disagree with that, by the way—but that's not really what you're arguing, I'm afriad…

[Mr Changsha]

I could draw a better freakin' world map in 30 minutes. Classic art is like vomit with lines.

I much prefer shapes..at least it doesn't remind me of the state of my toilet bowl on a Monday morning.

[Incandenza]

I could draw a better freakin' world map in 30 minutes.

No, you couldn't. And even if you could, many subsequent hours would be spent dicking around with terit labels and centering army coordinates and doing all the little things that turns a drawing into an actual playable CC map. There's more to this than just graphics, folks.

[Mr Changsha]

I could draw a better freakin' world map in 30 minutes.

No, you couldn't. And even if you could, many subsequent hours would be spent dicking around with terit labels and centering army coordinates and doing all the little things that turns a drawing into an actual playable CC map. There's more to this than just graphics, folks.

Maybe, but who thought it would be a good idea to replace CC's favourite map with an effort knocked up in 24 hours and then think "My work here is done." and leave it at that for, what, a year???

Or was the lawyer's stipulation that CC could keep a representation of the Risk board but that it must look as shit as possible? I can't think of another reason as to why Lack would publish that 24 hour knock up and then KEEP it for this long.

Classic Art is by far the worst CC map visually, as I said it is like I puked all over my screen. It makes me nauseous to even think about it.

Oh and the 'art' territories...pretentious twaddle and a bloody nightmare for team games.

The foundry may like to believe that the constant churning out of derivative maps (but with new pretty colours!!!) is the life-blood of CC but in fact it was the classic map, with a bit of 2.1 thrown in for some variety. We've spent the last year attempting to play on a map (CC's most popular map no less) that looks like the contents of my lower intestine.

Would it have killed the foundry to spend a couple of weeks on it? Apparently so. I suspect this reflects the foundry's bias towards the creation of new maps...you can try and force us to believe that the classic map isn't the business, you can make us play on a version of it that, frankly, looks terrible and has whoopsy do la de la territory names (Ooh Art History...so manly) but those with any sense here still know that the vast majority of CC's new maps are pointless rip offs of perfection.