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Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:58 am

Tribal War - Ancient Israel

The 12 tribes of Israel have returned to the land of Israel. Will you unite them according to God's prophecy, or tear them apart and leave a valley of bones?


Wow.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:41 am

Apologies- link now fixed and poll added.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:47 am

And what is your point of this??
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:56 am

isaiah40 wrote:And what is your point of this??


Two question marks? I think you already know why this map can be considered controversial.

1) The aim of the map is overtly religious.
2) The aim of the map is overtly political.

Both are contentious.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:17 am

A nice topic, but it's one for GD :). Moved!

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Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:25 am

rdsrds2120 wrote:A nice topic, but it's one for GD :). Moved!

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Hmm, GD has nothing on religion, politics or history. If you want an active discussion, OT is where it will occur. I understand the move as a point of principle, but it seems likely to bury debate and promote a load of unquestioning "Yes" votes unwilling to outline their thoughts.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Doc_Brown on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:30 am

Symmetry wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:And what is your point of this??


Two question marks? I think you already know why this map can be considered controversial.

1) The aim of the map is overtly religious.
2) The aim of the map is overtly political.

Both are contentious.


How so? I don't think anyone disputes the historicity of the Jewish tribes living in that territory at the time envisioned by this map. If you take out the word's "God's prophesy," there is zero religious element to it. If you adhere to one of the Abrahamic faiths, it's a nice nod to your religious history. If not, it's not any worse than the fantasy elements on some of the other maps, especially given that it's representative of what the Jews at that time believed. The map is clearly set in ancient times. There are no longer 12 Israeli tribes. If this was a "Defense of Israel" map with modern boundaries and the Gaza strip area set up to bombard Israel (and possibly surrounded by killer neutrals in the adjacent sea zones), then yes. It would definitely take on a contentious political tone. But even then, I wouldn't find it any worse than the "Battle for Iraq," or maybe even "1984" given the current rhetoric.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:31 am

Symmetry wrote:Two question marks? I think you already know why this map can be considered controversial.

1) The aim of the map is overtly religious.
2) The aim of the map is overtly political.

Both are contentious.

:shock:
How can this map be remotely controversial? :-s It is not overtly religious, no more than Third Crusade is. As for being political, did not realise that the twelve tribes where running for office any time soon. :roll:
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:38 am

koontz1973 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Two question marks? I think you already know why this map can be considered controversial.

1) The aim of the map is overtly religious.
2) The aim of the map is overtly political.

Both are contentious.

:shock:
How can this map be remotely controversial? :-s It is not overtly religious, no more than Third Crusade is. As for being political, did not realise that the twelve tribes where running for office any time soon. :roll:


Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure if I can tell anymore...

If you're not, read the quote in the OP- it's from the map.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Neoteny on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:39 am

It is sort of weird.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby macbone on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:52 am

I get the religious point (Are we planning maps of the Inquisition or the rise of Islam? Actually, both might be pretty cool), but this map seems to be similar in scope to Gilgamesh, a map of part of the ancient world that many people view as myth.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:54 am

Symmetry wrote:Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure if I can tell anymore...

If you're not, read the quote in the OP- it's from the map.

I know the map, I gave it its first stamp in the foundry. Their really is nothing wrong with having that quote on the map, but if you feel that strongly about it, why did you not post in the thread? That is the normal thing to do. You want to comment on a map, you post in that maps thread.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:05 am

koontz1973 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure if I can tell anymore...

If you're not, read the quote in the OP- it's from the map.

I know the map, I gave it its first stamp in the foundry. Their really is nothing wrong with having that quote on the map, but if you feel that strongly about it, why did you not post in the thread? That is the normal thing to do. You want to comment on a map, you post in that maps thread.


The maps thread is visited by people interested in the technicalities of map making. Not the implications of the map. If you are genuinely interested, I would suggest you lend your voice to it be being discussed in OT.

I assume your response is a passive acknowledgement of the religious aspect of the map.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:28 am

macbone wrote:I get the religious point (Are we planning maps of the Inquisition or the rise of Islam? Actually, both might be pretty cool), but this map seems to be similar in scope to Gilgamesh, a map of part of the ancient world that many people view as myth.


I'm sympathetic to this line of thought, but the politics of what constitutes Israel is both a religious and a historical point of contention.

Creating a map based on scripture:

Seamus76 wrote:Description: "All these are the twelve tribes of Israel" Genesis 49:28

Mapmaker's Description of the map

Is just odd when it comes to disputed territory.
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Re: Latest crazy map from the foundry

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:35 am

ITT, Symmetry remains devoid of historical context.

Looking forward to your response to Doc_Brown.
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