TA1LGUNN3R wrote:jeraado wrote:Sorry tails, but now that you've said it, you'll need to at least give a bit more of an explanation as to why you cant reveal what you know. If you are town and you truly have solid information about who is scum, then you should reveal it. Of course if the information can't be revealed (i.e. its against the rules) then your ability to continue in the game suggests you are scum
Goddammit I really regret saying that. It's just a guess. And no, I'm not going to give the reason why. It's from outside Mafia Games and has nothing to do with this game, it's not role-related info or anything like that, and I'm not willing to betray someone's trust. Let it lie. If y'all wish to pursue this then I'll have to be replaced. Or fucking lynch me, whatever.
-Tails
Extra cool. First it was
"pure meta reasons". Then when I asked you to share the information to help the town find another scum (and said that being it a meta reason you were not forced to reveal roles/powers/flavors/whatever) it suddendly became
"not so much meta as... how much I know about stuff". Now you say it
"has nothing to do with this game", which as far as I understand is the definition of "pure meta"?
And there's more. I actually asked you whether you had a good reason for not saying it, such as an etiquette dilemma. This being my first game, I'd have let this go with a simple "yes, it's unethical/against the spirit of the game/frowned upon/whatever". But you replied with the
"not so much meta as..." line, only to change your mind in your very next post. Boy, is this getting smelly!
freezie wrote:Forget the 2 wrong cops
Dude, reread. I was one of the first to declare I considered those possibilities unlikely! You can't say it's unlikely and use that against me! That's absurd!
freezie wrote: No you didn't. You're making long posts to show you have something to say, but you're defending yourself more than helping.
And you can't have it both ways. Either you play the "those roles are likely" card or the "those roles are unlikely" one. I see you went with the "unlikely" version (as did I). The absence of such roles makes something crystal clear: either Blake is flat-out lying or I am flat-out lying. Think of it this way: if you have 2 people that can be either black or white and they necessarily have different colors, saying you're "not black" is equivalent to saying you're "white" (which is also equivalent to saying the other person is "black" or "not white"). Thus, "defending myself" is equivalent to "attacking Blake" and that's enough to say I AM helping (I'm building a case to lynch a scum, how much more do you want before you consider I am helping?).
freezie wrote:Purely metagaming perspective, no, that's not out of the ordinary from what I remember of blake's style of play.
I've never seen Blake play, but I usually assume people make rational decisions as opposed to suboptimal screw-ups. And, as I said before, placing the town's hope in Blake being the true cop is like trying to harvest a fruitless tree, as, even if your hope was later revealed not to be misplaced, you'll end with a dead cop and no more clues to get the remaining 2-3 mafia.
freezie wrote:WIFOM
I don't need to say more
I'm not understanding your use of WIFOM here, but the logical structure of the circular reasoning is such that it can defend opposing views: if you're using WIFOM to "block my attack", you certainly lose your opportunity to attack me for that very same reason.
freezie wrote:Wrong, we get 2 mafias either way. Blake and myself, or Rodion and Icon. Town's only chance is to not lynch our claimed cop, and HOPE there is a watcher/tracker/other protective role out there.
Sorry, buddy, but now you're insulting my intelligence and THAT is one of the few surefire ways of getting me enraged. Do I strike you as the sort of stupid person that, when mafia, would blatantly protect another mafia (like you're implying with the 00iCon case)? Sorry, but I certainly did not become a CC general by being stupid and, while I admit those 2 games are different, my brain is the same and can perform well on both, for your information. Yes, I am being arrogant here, but you had it coming, corporal.
It's a moot point because I won't flip mafia if I'm lynched, but if I did the least you could do is eat some humble pie and conclude ooiCon is town because I couldn't be THAT stupid. You can reply this whole paragraph with "WIFOM" if you want to, I don't care.
I'm going to doublepost now, Safari, as I have other persons to reply to and don't feel like making a colossal post for several reasons. Let me know if that's a no-no for you and I won't repeat.
) and we're hitting a wall with the same arguments over and over..
