Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Gallia (Town) Victory!

[new guy1]

Blow me. You're in no danger of being lynched.

As flores said, there is just no case. Admit that its a random lynch at best or piss off, I'm not impressed.

I mean seriously. I expected way too much here I guess.

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Are you on the rag? It's a game, it's day one, and you made an ass out of yourself attacking me with that vote... I waited until now to vote because, so far, you are the scummiest person in the game. You have no other ideas but to tell me to blow you? Get over yourself, Edoc... Seriously.

What, these a reason 3 out of 18 people have picked this up. All you got is an OMGUS and vote you didn't like, but that I was able to decently rationalize.

You have it right there, the only reason I am getting voted is that I'm an ass. Woopie, don't expect me to respect this, or to take it seriously.

You'd be doing yourself and town more favors if you answered as to why you STILL haven't unvoted if you didn't see a case. Honestly if I weren't so lazy, I would go back to find how many votes it takes to lynch someone currently and I would vote you, but because I am so lazy, and therefore am uninformed, I will choose to say they aren't the only ones that support the votes on you, because it is a pretty good day 1 case, as far as the circumstances. I mean, we had 5 days last I saw and we've used at least a couple, we have to get a claim today or make a lynch for information, and you come and put a questionable post. Even when there is no point to the confusion, anyone who makes a post that gets questioned always has the most votes and gets pushed to claim anyways. Its how day 1 works.

Bolded EBWOP for better clarity.

[new guy1]

I understand that, however I saw it from jonty's perspective and went on it. I only made one post, yet Ive seen my name in particular multiple times. I did not place a vote because I did not know the vote count and he cleared it up with his defense, so it is unnecessary. I dont care about the votes that are laying around because their reasons for voting were not questionable. Thats all from me for now.

[new guy1]

That was a really good catch. Im willing to see where it leads, at least unless someone else comes forward with something . Vote jonty

[new guy1]

thats 7 votes, theres 18 alive, so right now jonty is around L-3, and since the number of votes required to lynch drops each day, i also say that we need to hear jonty's response before more people vote him.

Way to skim... Right now he's at L-10. Tomorrow he'll be at L-9 if no one else votes. There is no reason that he even needs to claim at the moment as a lynch is still far off into the future. That was why I put my vote on him as the case was far better than the day 1 case and he was no where close to being lynched yet. Some people do appear to have just jumped on the wagon willy nilly though.

He needs to claim and knows he needs to claim. There is no way around it. Doing it sooner rather then later is in his best interest. If he does not claim by tommorrow evening midnight I will vote him.

I agree that it is definitely in his best interest, I was just pointing out that he still has a ways to go until he is actually lynched at the moment.

I don't think that was a skim unless greg miscounted a vote. With 18, then it's 10 to lynch. 7 votes means L-3. Increasing days will tick it down to L-2, etc. Number of votes remains, the L- indicates how many more votes until lynch, this changes based on how many people are voting and how many days have passed.

From my memory, we start at the top, so since the day started with 18, it will go down to 17 24 hours after the scene was posted and follow that suite till there is a lynch. So there are quite a few votes till a lynch.

[new guy1]

as per instructions
unvote, and vote anark
well looks like what jonty said was true

Sooooo, I am the one person who DOESN'T vote Jonty, and he decides to use gregwolfs vote on me???? WTF?

Just to prove, the ability, I can shift it later.

http://valkyria.wikia.com/wiki/Maurits_von_Borg]Why would the Prime Minister of Gallia refer to his own army members as "rebels"?

Because I'm a donkey and didn't understand the flavour, that Alice and W whatever are on my team.

if you bought mine i never recieved the money

You don't get any money.

u to tell us why you stole someones vote night 1 if you have no idea who they are and why gregwolf?

What's the worst, that can happen to gregwolf because of this, I can even force him to vote who we wants.#

Question for you IB, why didn't you vote, in the stop been coy post. I hadn't posted in between that one and your vote?

The only part I dont get is why would you refer to your team as the rebels instead of town? It seems like if you didnt know anything about the flavor, then you would refer to them as the town, and if you did know flavor you would have put yourself on the side of the townies who died and said town lost those two.

Okay, that probably makes no sense. Im trying to say that unless you were in the empire or a third party, you wouldn't have said that sentence about the rebels the way you did. Im not moving my vote.

Fastposted - That reminded me that I dont see anything different between your buying of votes and a vote stealer. It just seems like youre trying to paint your role in a good light.

[new guy1]

I agree, we have ALL been lazy... What irritates me most is that this is what happens in far too many mafia games... When you only have four or five people who consistently post, and they run out of ideas or arguments, then the game stalls.

Personally, I want to vote Jonty just because he still hasn't taken Gregwolfs vote off of me yet.

I also don't want to bandwagon virus, because I don't really feel that it is a strong enough case, and, if things continue on like they have, then he will be the one lynched anyway due to the vote countdown...

The following people have posted very little and should be prodded or replaced.
2) new guy1
10) Commander9
12) ghostly447
15) JamesKer1
19) ga7

Yeah, I havent posted much this game. I have posted more than several people though, and youve played at least two games with me prior to this one, and in both I told you my play style. I posted saying my vote was staying, and it will till jonty's defense sways me or until a better case arises.

[new guy1]

I agree, we have ALL been lazy... What irritates me most is that this is what happens in far too many mafia games... When you only have four or five people who consistently post, and they run out of ideas or arguments, then the game stalls.

Personally, I want to vote Jonty just because he still hasn't taken Gregwolfs vote off of me yet.

I also don't want to bandwagon virus, because I don't really feel that it is a strong enough case, and, if things continue on like they have, then he will be the one lynched anyway due to the vote countdown...

The following people have posted very little and should be prodded or replaced.
2) new guy1
10) Commander9
12) ghostly447
15) JamesKer1
19) ga7

Yeah, I havent posted much this game. I have posted more than several people though, and youve played at least two games with me prior to this one, and in both I told you my play style. I posted saying my vote was staying, and it will till jonty's defense sways me or until a better case arises.

Ultimately, it's not a question of not having something to talk about. We have at least two cases here, everyone should have an opinion on which is better, or another one if they have it. It's not like nobody is saying anything and it's difficult to contribute.

I agree. I have my opinion out there, so more people need to come back and give their takes on them. I was actually quite active till everyone started moving around as a part of jonty's claim. After that, there was nothing for me to say besides responding to the other case, which I feel like I addressed in a sentence that gathered my opinions and thoughts together to say basically I wasnt moving, but I cant remember, Ill check when Im not on my phone.

[new guy1]

The biggest problem that I see with your response, Newguy, is that you are basically saying, "Yes, I am scummarining..."

You are obviously watching the thread, or else you would not have posted so quickly. For that, thank you. However, it is usually scum that watches the thread and doesn't post, which is my total definition of scummarining. I will assume you are not, as you did post and you are correct about being far more active than other players.

Well I will respond to that with... kind of.

I watch all day every day, but I have several other games I play online that I switch to and class to take my finals in, little bit of homework here and there, so I can respond rather quickly so long as I am making a quick glance of a refresh of the game. That said, I had many other things on that list. I didnt include studying, socializing, or any of that. With all that, I am less inclined to make a game winning post (or a post at all) when a game has started to stall because nobody is bouncing ideas and I already keep track of other things. I dont bounce ideas off myself very well, so that is why my posts come when others post. I read frequently, I post when everyone posts, or try to at least.

[new guy1]

So what i am saying: jonty is a fine target, if no better target pops up we should lynch him, we should not take him to the end of the game, but for now we might be able to benefit from whatever alignment he is.
So for these reasons: i now unvote

I am now kind of lost on VC,
so we have to keep an close eye at VC and counter since the counter is getting to a point in which it is realistic someone gets lynched.

MM I know this is a bit annoying, but this is the second time you've missed an unvote. Please let me know what the best solution to this might be so this doesn't occur again. Apologies if this is rude.

Actually, IB put the ninth vote on him. virus unvoted after that. So if we go that the hammer is final, and someone can't unvote after the hammer, MM had it right (I think).

Correct.

[new guy1]

I also vote nay. I am assuming that with our watcher dead, we don't have anyone with convenient information on our federation. I also doubt the empire faction is going to come out and give information on it either. Also speaking finding the ambassador at this point is going to be like finding a needle in a haystack. Our best option for the day would to be to get as many claims on the table as possible and hope that neither the Federation/Empire have fake claims or else we'll never find them today.

I vote nay, use the old system due to our daily goal. I have no information to share, and dont have leads at this time. Happy holidays everyone!

[new guy1]

I vote yay... I love it... I will have it in any game with more than 10 people... it has killed two townsfolk, but it is about learning to be more cautious with votes, and brings about more intense roleplaying. It is a game, and it should be challenging... it has cost us two townsfolk, but it is so much more intriguing

While I agree, I would rather get my feet wet rather than jump in to start. We have lost two townsfolk because we are inexperienced in it, and I dont want something that could possibly be more urgent than just an educated mislynch resting on us when we have failed to come to a well thought out lynch on the past two times. Why dont we wait till it gets a little easier for us to make better lynches before we start adding stuff to our losses.

[new guy1]

I vote yay... I love it... I will have it in any game with more than 10 people... it has killed two townsfolk, but it is about learning to be more cautious with votes, and brings about more intense role-playing. It is a game, and it should be challenging... it has cost us two townsfolk, but it is so much more intriguing

QFT and also YAY!! sure it can be tricky, but it makes for a much more dynamic game experience, it keep us on our toes, and in the same way that we made 2 wrong lynchs on a row, we could get 2 or more right too, so i truly believe that we need to take responsibility for our votes, own the importance of our actions, and stop blamming the system, because the system is genius, if we didn't have this system we could be stuck asking for replacement and modkills every single day.

Now about the princess, i think our best bet atm is to look carefully at the people that pressured the claim of virus, over all after he claimed princess, we need to look closely to the ppl who kept pushing a "full" claim in an obviously town role (seriously, that information only benefited scum).

Merry Xmas everybody!!

While I agree that it is us, not the system, I must also say our two lynches were on active players who contributed to conversation. I would almost rather replacements and modkills, because I dont think everyone is posting, regardless of if we have a ticking time bomb or not. It is dynamic, but I will inquire now: MM, will this be the remainder of the game, or just today? I feel like I read the answer somewhere, but honestly I cant remember what the answer was. Another point, though, is that there are alot of holidays plus a weekend coming up in 2 days, which means I can see inactivity being a problem. Yes, you can make the point that people will still be inactive with the old system, but at least we can account for that and dont have to also have the possibility of a speed lynch when we are in crunch time.

If the system we choose is for the rest of the game, then I will change my vote to YAY if I can, as I do like the system and would like to use it for the rest of the game, I think we should just be a little better at it before we add more risks to the table.

[new guy1]

If the princess is killed, how can it be bad for both Gallia & Empire? Does it make a third party win or something?

Somehow we have to find this "Jean Townshend" and lynch him... we're having a hard enough time even finding our first scum, let alone a random third party... somehow I'm not too confident in succeeding with this.

As far as the game mechanic, I like it, otherwise we'd spend 2 weeks to get a no lynch every day and be pretty boring. As it is now, it starts with 16 votes needed, so we have a week to figure things out before a lynch is reasonably possible, and another couple days before things get risky. While it's not always an optimal lynch, at least something is happening. I still think lynching the politician wasn't a bad lynch, he probably would have turned traitor or third party sooner or later.

Well, I got fastposted, but it didnt tell me so I didnt get to respond. It is true that it sounded like jonty could have switched, and so that lynch kind of wasnt as much of a loss. I can see you're arguments that the new system encourages activity, but I feel like we only got more activity from those who were already posting. I dont know for a fact, but Im quite sure that not everyone posted Day 2, which shows that there are still inactives, theres just more posts from the collective group of people posting anyways. At this point in time, it is looking like YAY will be our system anyways. I dont mind either option, just preferred the old one.

[new guy1]

16 players left.

James MIA and needs replacement.

With such a wide net of players someone seeing something important is minimal at best. The only hope I can see is if someone was smart enough to observe the Princess in some capacity. Everyone has not commented or posted. Unless something materializes it will once again be a guessing game.

If the Princess is not found what are the ramifications?

Thats the question. I would guess if the princess operates like a beloved princess then we will lose a day and it could possibly be someone's WC. Those are the only ones I can think of, as anything else is something the mod came up with (or something I cant guess from the characters [I dont know how to say what Im thinking]). Well, I think if we dont have any more posts in a day or two, we need to start thinking in the mindset of "Nobody has information, we need to do day 1 again".

[new guy1]

It is 3pm here... give me until tonight, when I come back to take my turns... I have been thinking a lot about this game, and I have some ideas... no time now though

No rush, Im just trying to add on to my post so its not just one thought at a time. We just need to think about starting the game back up within the next couple days o.O

[new guy1]

The only response I have to neb is that while there was discussion on the questioned post, only 3-4 players out of 20 had talked about it. Therefore, the majority of players looked over it. I havent posted recently because I havent had anything to say because... Well I dont really have anything to add. The game kind of died after the whole "yay or nay" thing. Its looking like more people are picking up, so at least I will hopefully have something to post. I do have to agree with neb that I would prefer more vote counts, but MM has said that if it ever gets to only 10 votes required for a lynch there will be every day VC's (Right? He said that right? Im just making sure Im not making stuff up now off of my perception).

[new guy1]

Right... I appreciate that it was a weak post, especially by the meticulous standards that I have shown to represent in previous games. I have become somewhat Don Draperesque when it comes to my treatment of Mafia games. When I choose to concentrate and apply myself to them I set a high standard and have full focus, when I am distracted I have less inclination to post proficiently... perhaps a bandwagon against me is the impetus I need to be more involved. I appreciate where you are coming from, but mostly I was in agreement with Flores previous post on why the current lynch set up works and what I wanted to say had been said previously. It keeps us on our toes and does not allow the game to stagnate which was one of the reasons I became disinterested in mafia games previously as all the games I was in seemed to die (or I died early). Which star wars game are you referring to btw, the only one I can think of is NJO where I was the pro-town hero and you were the mafia . I didn't feel the case against Jonty was strong enough and called out TFO as one of the vote hoppers, but appear to be wrong on this case. I will need to do some further analysis on the bandwagoners/scumariners as well to find out who is now most suspicious in my eyes.


Right by my count today, it is 4 votes to me and it is 12 to lynch, I don't feel that is enough for me to claim, but in the interests of keeping this game moving at a fast pace, which is all the more crucial when we have a dropping lynch count and a particular individual to catch I am willing to rethink about claiming over the next 24 hours.

The longer you say you will claim, but don't, the longer the focus will be on you...and the game will be unable to move on. Unless of course, you come up with a new case on someone.

Ah, what the heck...Vote Nagerous Let's get the claim and move on, if needed. I would hate to see us stall while we wait for this claim.

Captain Eleanor Varrot and I am the squad 7 enabler so in the case of my death, none of the members of squad 7 will be able to perform their night actions.

Happy now?

Im going to guess that squad 7 was not explained to you or you do not wish to reveal more? I believe your claim, just wondering what squad 7 is.

[new guy1]

Right... I appreciate that it was a weak post, especially by the meticulous standards that I have shown to represent in previous games. I have become somewhat Don Draperesque when it comes to my treatment of Mafia games. When I choose to concentrate and apply myself to them I set a high standard and have full focus, when I am distracted I have less inclination to post proficiently... perhaps a bandwagon against me is the impetus I need to be more involved. I appreciate where you are coming from, but mostly I was in agreement with Flores previous post on why the current lynch set up works and what I wanted to say had been said previously. It keeps us on our toes and does not allow the game to stagnate which was one of the reasons I became disinterested in mafia games previously as all the games I was in seemed to die (or I died early). Which star wars game are you referring to btw, the only one I can think of is NJO where I was the pro-town hero and you were the mafia . I didn't feel the case against Jonty was strong enough and called out TFO as one of the vote hoppers, but appear to be wrong on this case. I will need to do some further analysis on the bandwagoners/scumariners as well to find out who is now most suspicious in my eyes.


Right by my count today, it is 4 votes to me and it is 12 to lynch, I don't feel that is enough for me to claim, but in the interests of keeping this game moving at a fast pace, which is all the more crucial when we have a dropping lynch count and a particular individual to catch I am willing to rethink about claiming over the next 24 hours.

The longer you say you will claim, but don't, the longer the focus will be on you...and the game will be unable to move on. Unless of course, you come up with a new case on someone.

Ah, what the heck...Vote Nagerous Let's get the claim and move on, if needed. I would hate to see us stall while we wait for this claim.

Captain Eleanor Varrot and I am the squad 7 enabler so in the case of my death, none of the members of squad 7 will be able to perform their night actions.

Happy now?

Im going to guess that squad 7 was not explained to you or you do not wish to reveal more? I believe your claim, just wondering what squad 7 is.

It makes me slightly suspicious that you don't know what this is.. A simple read of the wiki should give you enough information on what squad 7 is. In fact for now you seem like the best case for now, the only defence I can see right now is that I can't imagine scum being dumb enough to self-incriminate like this.

I read no wiki, and I dont remember scenes nor opening posts after they have been discussed/analyzed by myself at least. I forgot about squad 7 as a consequence.

I wouldnt go as far to say I am dumb, as I am sure we have all forgotten something. To Rishaed. If you are saying squad 7 is a she, then you have further confused me. The question was quite relevant because I did not remember who the hell squad 7 was. I was trying to get more information because I dont know if it is a set squad, growing squad, shrinking squad or otherwise, and I WANTED TO GATHER INFORMATION. Have you all, GATHERED INFORMATION? I am pissed off because I havent had the best past couple of days, really not the best week, and so my temper is a little short. If you all dont like my defense (which Im sure since only half the players are posting in this game anyways), then I will be HAPPY to claim with more pressure. As I dont have a case to provide a better basis, Ill wait till claim time. Dont say Im resigning as a point because I am not. I literally cant do anything right now, my hands are tied. These uninformed posts are always the things to get me to claim, so I know how this is going down. Now watch as everyone flocks to submit a vote on the grounds of "he doesnt know what squad 7 is!" and they get away with it.


Actually, didnt neb post a list of people who would fit an assumed profile of the guy who we're looking for today? Oh well, thats assumed. Ill stop blabbing, and please read the above with heavy sarcasm, it is my primary language in these situations. Its part of my meta, and Ive said that several times.

[new guy1]

Newguy, Squad 7 is the group that the the player controls in the game. Edocsil, Lootifer and TFO all had characters who were in it. I am skeptical about the claim right now, simply because I expect the majority of the town to be in Squad 7, as such having it all tied to an enabler seems weird.

That makes no sense. Which player? I know what an enabler is if you think I was confused on that. I dont think we all control squad 7, I feel like a group of players makes up squad 7, but it is not an all inclusive group. I dont know why, but I dont think having an enabler that kills all night actions for everyone in the game would make sense. Are you completely sure that squad 7 included those three, or were they just town? I know you're skeptical, but what you're saying here doesnt make logical sense. Everyone is in squad 7, no leader or anything, we cant communicate like a squad typically would (may just be how MM set up the game, this is just thoughts on it), but yet is nag dies we all lose our night actions? Sounds a little too detrimental.

[new guy1]

My point new guy wasn't that you were dumb, just that if you were scum it would have been dumb to self incriminate by asking such a question as to what squad 7 is when as spiesr put it the majority of the players are likely to be in squad 7.

Indeed spiesr to have all the night actions to one individual does seem overpowered so that is why it is vital that I am kept alive. You may be sceptical of the claim but are you sceptical of the name claim to go with it? As rishaed put it I have been referenced in the past couple of scenes.

I am not skeptical of your claim nor your role. I am skeptical of who your death applies to. And I am not saying that you know who all you control. I am saying I dont think all town players are in it, and I dont think the majority is in it. I dont know, I just dont feel like even the majority of players would take away enough power from that role.

[new guy1]

Newguy, Squad 7 is the group that the the player controls in the game. Edocsil, Lootifer and TFO all had characters who were in it. I am skeptical about the claim right now, simply because I expect the majority of the town to be in Squad 7, as such having it all tied to an enabler seems weird.

That makes no sense. Which player? I know what an enabler is if you think I was confused on that. I dont think we all control squad 7, I feel like a group of players makes up squad 7, but it is not an all inclusive group. I dont know why, but I dont think having an enabler that kills all night actions for everyone in the game would make sense. Are you completely sure that squad 7 included those three, or were they just town? I know you're skeptical, but what you're saying here doesnt make logical sense. Everyone is in squad 7, no leader or anything, we cant communicate like a squad typically would (may just be how MM set up the game, this is just thoughts on it), but yet is nag dies we all lose our night actions? Sounds a little too detrimental.

The player in the computer game, the game has a similar mechanism to command and conquer I believe?

Didnt quote the top quote. I am quite sure how the recruit mechanism works, but I would think they had to be recruited, leading me to believe there is a town cult (since squad 7 is the good guys [right?]). Tbh I was never referred to either side, the Federation and the other one (Empire, right?), nor any other specified group. All I really know is that I am the brother of someone in the series, but I dont know if they are in the game. My role is not connected to theirs, it was just flavor. I know my family as well, and so I will look into the wiki right quick just to check and see if I CAN clear it up, and will get back to you...

I will say once again, I DONT THINK EVERYONE WHO IS TOWN IS IN SQUAD 7.

[new guy1]

Okay, my character in the wiki is in squad 7, but I was not notified that I was in squad 7 when I got my role. Sorry for the confusion, and I understand if it leads to my claim, as I am obviously having a shitty day with wording.

fastposted- and I know you didnt, I am bolding that for the record and whatever else you take it for .

[new guy1]

Nag, do you actually trigger our abilities? Or do you know how the trigger mechanism works?

Newguy...are you done flailing about like a bull in a china shop? Ridiculous...

Not as long as you keep pissing me off. Trying to stop a person with a loaded phrase? Ridiculous...

[new guy1]

Nag, do you actually trigger our abilities? Or do you know how the trigger mechanism works?

Newguy...are you done flailing about like a bull in a china shop? Ridiculous...

At least with his flailing I have an accurate read on him. It'd have to be pretty elaborate ploy otherwise. unvote

So we have at least one player using their brain...

[new guy1]

Nag, do you actually trigger our abilities? Or do you know how the trigger mechanism works?

Newguy...are you done flailing about like a bull in a china shop? Ridiculous...

At least with his flailing I have an accurate read on him. It'd have to be pretty elaborate ploy otherwise. unvote

So we have at least one player using their brain...

Right after posting, I changed my mind on this. Dont take it as an insult anyone, it was said in anger and haste.