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vodean wrote:/ wrote:vodean wrote:jonty125 wrote:edocsil wrote:Silence has more value then foolish posts.
I'd rather people to post foolish posts than not posting at all.
id appreciate it if people didnt make posts that are scummy beyond their meta
I would appreciate it if scum made scummy posts as often as possible, oh right, thanks vodean!
Apart from my other reasons for thinking vodean is suspicious (Read back if you forgot...) I really think his last few posts alone are good for a vote, see it unfold in chronological ordervodean wrote:it is true that i didnt visit anyone, however im not sure that i want to believe his claim even now... a no visit would be quite likely N1, im guessing. CM5 would not really be able to accurately fake that claim, unless he and nag are coordinating (scumbuddies, etc.). im leaving my vote, and FOSing ghostly for trying to distract us with the following:ghostly447 wrote:* ghostly's big post against Nendreel, see here if interested viewtopic.php?f=213&t=176208&p=3904013#p3903802
Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much meritvodean wrote:im believing gilli's claim less and less. i realize that he is inactive for a reason right now, but its just poor timing. also, the odds of there being two trackers is incredibly low. im not sure, but i think we might want to kill him to be sure... that sounds really scummy, but im exhausted and dont have the mental energy to put it nicely. otherwise, we need to move on to another case for today. anyone have one?
WHY WON'T ANYONE POST A CASE? oh wait, I'm still voting for spiesr, aren't I? And I fosed ghostly one page ago.... for posting a huge case, oh well, I don't see anything, let's just kill gillipig... not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.vodean wrote:spiesr wrote:So, I haven't weighed in for a while now, so I will drop by and post again. I am still in favor of lynching Gillipig today, and nothing that has been mentioned since then really changes anything. We also seem to be stalling out here, so maybe we need to just get it over with already?
Hey lord voldemort, what is the status of replacing Illiad and doing whatever with the other inactives?
scummariner. and hypocrite?
It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
Vote Vodean
I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.
could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion?vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.
.... You specifically saidvodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...
I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynchedvodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.[/color]
/ wrote:could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion?vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.
.... You specifically saidvodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...
I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynchedvodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.[/color]
vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.
vodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...
Could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
If he is a third party why hasn't he made it explicit? If he was a sort of third party that could coexist with the town (as in having a win condition that doesn't conflict with the town win condition) there would be no reason for him not to have mentioned it. Since he hasn't I am left to assume that one of two things must be true. Either he is telling the truth, which I doubt, or he is some sort of anti-town role.rishaed wrote:Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).
And what all the people voting for you appear to be saying is that this isn't sufficient. More is needed from you. If you can't, quickly, make your next post have a more thorough and convincing response you are probably going to have to claim.vodean wrote:what im saying is that there is really nothing in the case. you guys need to stop skimming. read the red text
I don't think naming me as a primary cause of all of that is truly an accurate representation of events. For starters Crazy revealed himself because he thought he had found evidence that Betiko was lying, and what he initially said on the matter was enough to make his role obvious. The bit about nagerous is a direct result of that, and I am of the opinion that knowing that nagerous has a night action doesn't make much a of difference in a power heavy game like this one. For the others you are at least correct that I was involved in the chain of events that led to those claims. You can disagree with who or why I chose to pressure, but I don't know how much fault can find in the fact that I did it. People have to be pressured and cases made/pursued. This inevitably leads to people claiming. Often times those people may be innocent. This may not be an ideal strategy, but it's kind of the best one we've got. Also, I still feel that the busdriver revealing his action in that situation was the right thing to do.rishaed wrote:Because of Speisr we've already outed 1 confirmed tracker, 1 claimed tracker, a busdriver, 1 (claimed by speisr) bomb (I believe betiko though), + nag with an unknown night role.
If you wish to slow down the rate of claims/day perhaps you should consider lynching the "worst" of the claims.rishaed wrote:All the while he's be putting pressure on others
If there is a specific point of Betiko's that you would like me to respond to please highlight it for me.rishaed wrote:while sidestepping betiko's accusations.
/ wrote:sorry, I messed up the quotes slightly, I was commenting on your rebuttalsvodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion? You asked for cases hardly a page later.vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.
.... You specifically saidvodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...
I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched.Could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
spiesr wrote:If he is a third party why hasn't he made it explicit? If he was a sort of third party that could coexist with the town (as in having a win condition that doesn't conflict with the town win condition) there would be no reason for him not to have mentioned it. Since he hasn't I am left to assume that one of two things must be true. Either he is telling the truth, which I doubt, or he is some sort of anti-town role.rishaed wrote:Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).
spiesr wrote:And what all the people voting for you appear to be saying is that this isn't sufficient. More is needed from you. If you can't, quickly, make your next post have a more thorough and convincing response you are probably going to have to claim.vodean wrote:what im saying is that there is really nothing in the case. you guys need to stop skimming. read the red text
spiesr wrote:I don't think naming me as a primary cause of all of that is truly an accurate representation of events. For starters Crazy revealed himself because he thought he had found evidence that Betiko was lying, and what he initially said on the matter was enough to make his role obvious. The bit about nagerous is a direct result of that, and I am of the opinion that knowing that nagerous has a night action doesn't make much a of difference in a power heavy game like this one. For the others you are at least correct that I was involved in the chain of events that led to those claims. You can disagree with who or why I chose to pressure, but I don't know how much fault can find in the fact that I did it. People have to be pressured and cases made/pursued. This inevitably leads to people claiming. Often times those people may be innocent. This may not be an ideal strategy, but it's kind of the best one we've got. Also, I still feel that the busdriver revealing his action in that situation was the right thing to do.rishaed wrote:Because of Speisr we've already outed 1 confirmed tracker, 1 claimed tracker, a busdriver, 1 (claimed by speisr) bomb (I believe betiko though), + nag with an unknown night role.If you wish to slow down the rate of claims/day perhaps you should consider lynching the "worst" of the claims.rishaed wrote:All the while he's be putting pressure on othersIf there is a specific point of Betiko's that you would like me to respond to please highlight it for me.rishaed wrote:while sidestepping betiko's accusations.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
vodean wrote:i feel as though i have responded to this sufficiently. im not scum, and im not outside of my meta. im still not sure what you think i should be saying is hypocrtical... me or someone else.
spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
vodean wrote:Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
I don't have a case against you myself. I was just trying to make you see that people are expecting more of a defense from you than what you provided. I see that it didn't work though.vodean wrote:spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
Nope, it is Gillipig.rishaed wrote:The suggestion in the lynching is noted, and I am assuming indirectly the case on Vodean is what you'd like me to vote in.
No, I was trying to communicate to Vodean that nature as the situation he is in, since he seems unable to see it for himself. In theory if it had worked he might have even been able to avoid claiming. It obviously failed though.rishaed wrote:Starting to rolefish/pressure again?? I really would like one more night scene to gather information from, because if hes a power role then the chances of being protected are really low. The scum already have a rich choice of targets to hit with the odds in their favor that they are going to succeed. Why add more for the night? However if you think that vodean is acting scummy, and want to keep pressuring him then I also understand why.
What town friendly third party has their agenda advanced by the scum thinking they are town?rishaed wrote:my thoughts here are what is possible not what is explicit, as see as such he may have let the 3rd party go because as of this point 3rd party is only hypothetical because we haven't explicitly outed any and it keeps scum in the dark about that.
jonty125 wrote:vodean wrote:Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
There is nothing wrong with posting a case, and if he posts a weak case, then well he gets lynched die using poor logic.
spiesr wrote:I don't have a case against you myself. I was just trying to make you see that people are expecting more of a defense from you than what you provided. I see that it didn't work though.vodean wrote:spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
lord voldemort wrote:Vote Count 2.3
betiko (2)- edocsil, jak111
spiesr (2)- DRoZ, Vodean
Gillipig (3)- LSU Josh, spiesr, gregwolf121
Nendreel (1)- ghostly447
Vodean (7)- /, strike wolf, ShaggyDan, gillipig, betiko, jonty125, new guy1
Not Voting (5)- Nagerous, cm5, Mr. Squirrel Illiad, Nendreel
Prods have gone to Nagerous, Illiad, cm5 and edocsil. Consider Jak not apart of the game. Should have a replacement for him within the day.
With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is currently about 80 hours or so.
@newguy1/everyone. I have links of every vote count and scene in the op. If you ever need to go back to them FOS you all for skimming
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
spiesr wrote:What town friendly third party has their agenda advanced by the scum thinking they are town?rishaed wrote:[/spoiler]my thoughts here are what is possible not what is explicit, as see as such he may have let the 3rd party go because as of this point 3rd party is only hypothetical because we haven't explicitly outed any and it keeps scum in the dark about that.spiesr wrote:If he is a third party why hasn't he made it explicit? If he was a sort of third party that could coexist with the town (as in having a win condition that doesn't conflict with the town win condition) there would be no reason for him not to have mentioned it. Since he hasn't I am left to assume that one of two things must be true. Either he is telling the truth, which I doubt, or he is some sort of anti-town role.rishaed wrote:Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).
Gillipig wrote:
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
edocsil wrote:vodean wrote:i feel as though i have responded to this sufficiently. im not scum, and im not outside of my meta. im still not sure what you think i should be saying is hypocrtical... me or someone else.
spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
Several inconsistencies have been pointed out in your defense, and a few outright lies. Is this really a good established meta to have?
Nendreel wrote:edocsil wrote:vodean wrote:i feel as though i have responded to this sufficiently. im not scum, and im not outside of my meta. im still not sure what you think i should be saying is hypocrtical... me or someone else.
spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
Several inconsistencies have been pointed out in your defense, and a few outright lies. Is this really a good established meta to have?
I'm not seeing any outright lies in Vodean's posts. Could you point out the lies for me?
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
betiko wrote:crazy and gillipig, you guys have claimed tracker; can you please confirm you are both town trackers?
/ wrote:vodean wrote:vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.
.... You specifically saidvodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...
I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched
vodean wrote:so what you are saying is that the case against me is totally flawed, and based on misleading lies, but it is still worthy of votes?
could someone please present the actual case against me? if you do, and i do not respond to your concerns adequately, i am happy to claim. beware, however, that i am working all weekend and will be minimally active.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
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