Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[edocsil]

I'll prod Droz if he hasn't posted by tomorrow.

[Rodion]

We ain't lynching Strike or anyone else until we hear from Droz and Saf.

Yoshi, are you claiming to be Raphael or the 7th and final angel? And where exactly did you softclaim?

[safariguy5]

As my WC hints at, I don't think angels can be recruited or subverted. Humans can. So to say that you "would have recruited me" last night means nothing because I don't think the cult can recruit me.

Ready to claim my action when Droz does.

[DoomYoshi]

In this post aage reveals he is not an angel, and that humans are probably not town:

I think it should be mentioned that we shouldn't disregard the possibility that humans and angels have different win conditions, since if the subvert-thing is in the angel role pm but not in the human role pm. It's not in my role pm anyway, I found out about it through Lsu's and jgordon's posts, so I suppose it is also not in Jak's (or violet's, or other claimed humans') role pms.

In this post (after several of defending droz), aage admits he does not think droz is scum:

@aage: what? Where do we have proof that he was roleblocked?

Exactly. But if he wasn't roleblocked and he was mafia, it would be pretty strange to claim to have been roleblocked, as I explained in my previous post. Maybe I should have stressed that with "claimed to have been roleblocked" I meant "lie about being roleblocked", I thought that was obvious.
All we know is that his vote is gone, so obviously he wasn't lying about that. That lends some credibility to his roleblock-claim by my book.

@SW, see my reply to DY. I think you misinterpreted what I said.

ebwop

So following that reasoning, claiming to have been blocked if he were a mafia watcher whilst in fact he wasn't blocked would make no sense to do... hence we can conclude that either he is town and lying (which is okay, really, since he's town and I won't be voting him) or he is any alignment and was genuinely roleblocked, and therefore I see no reason to suspect him. Watcher is a pretty useful role to keep alive, and I'm not at all convinced that he must be scum.

In this post, aage admits that there is "no" case on jonty. I took a leap and logic and assumed that meant he thinks jonty is not scum (i.e. is town).

It would be nice to hear from Safari, but in the interest of moving things along I'm going to Vote Jonty.

My crime?

Being on the list

Based on the first post, and his claim of human, and his pretend denial of defending both droz and jonty, I am now going into the 90%+ range of scum with aage, compared to 99%+ range with jonty.

[DoomYoshi]

Is it just me, or is there an echo in here?

[Rodion]

It looks like everyone is waiting for Droz and then Saf.

I failed to understand your softclaim of angel, by the way. While I'm at that, I don't understand how an angel would say things like "if I were mafia, I'd have recruited Saf" when Saf has shown angels have knowledge that only humans are subvertable. At this point, I think you're either a godfather that would pass my investigation or a subverted saint that is trying to get D8 lynched to buy the demons more time. I think the second scenario is more likely. Anyway, you don't get lynched before we get through with the Aage/Droz/Strike situation.

[DoomYoshi]

It looks like everyone is waiting for Droz and then Saf.

I failed to understand your softclaim of angel, by the way. While I'm at that, I don't understand how an angel would say things like "if I were mafia, I'd have recruited Saf" when Saf has shown angels have knowledge that only humans are subvertable. At this point, I think you're either a godfather that would pass my investigation or a subverted saint that is trying to get D8 lynched to buy the demons more time. I think the second scenario is more likely. Anyway, you don't get lynched before we get through with the Aage/Droz/Strike situation.

I was listing aage as scummy because a) he claimed human and b) he said humans are not town. Why would I call out aage on that if I was a human myself?

Also, saf released this knowledge just 4 posts ago, so it hardly influences my initial claim that he would be the claim target. Furthermore, I don't have his character written down, so I didn't remember he was an angel, just that he was a superJOAT.

I am still waiting on an answer from aage: did he protect me last night?

[NoSurvivors]

It looks like everyone is waiting for Droz and then Saf.

I failed to understand your softclaim of angel, by the way. While I'm at that, I don't understand how an angel would say things like "if I were mafia, I'd have recruited Saf" when Saf has shown angels have knowledge that only humans are subvertable. At this point, I think you're either a godfather that would pass my investigation or a subverted saint that is trying to get D8 lynched to buy the demons more time. I think the second scenario is more likely. Anyway, you don't get lynched before we get through with the Aage/Droz/Strike situation.

I was listing aage as scummy because a) he claimed human and b) he said humans are not town. Why would I call out aage on that if I was a human myself?

Also, saf released this knowledge just 4 posts ago, so it hardly influences my initial claim that he would be the claim target. Furthermore, I don't have his character written down, so I didn't remember he was an angel, just that he was a superJOAT.

I am still waiting on an answer from aage: did he protect me last night?

Some humans are town, lol.

[aage]

I am still waiting on an answer from aage: did he protect me last night?

Obviously, yes. I already said that. Do you really need confirmation from "I almost regret protecting your ass last night"?

Seriously, I appreciate your being confirmed town and all, but you've been asking mostly irrelevant questions for the past few days.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, full claim. I am the town roleblocker. I roleblocked Aage the last 2 nights. Since he wasn't told about the roleblock last night, he didn't protect me.ergo, scum.

[DoomYoshi]

And I don't have my role pm, so I can't give you the name of my character Rodion.

[Rodion]

You can always ask Edoc.

[NoSurvivors]

Yeah.. Edoc you mind re sending mine too? I deleted all my PM's when I had my sitter in (gabby the nosy bugger ) so I would appreciate you resenting it. I know my role but I don't remember the name xD

[edocsil]

Yeah, I can go fish them out. Droz was prodded btw.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, I'm not an angel lmao. I am Brigit of Kildare, a saint.

[Rodion]

Are you playing like a jester to buy the actual demons more time?

[NoSurvivors]

Yeah, I can go fish them out. Droz was prodded btw.

Ty and ty

[safariguy5]

Um...since when is a protection automatically a PM from the mod that the action failed? This isn't an investigative role. I fail to see how that indicates aage is lying. In fact doom, it raises questions as to why you'd block him in the first place.

[NoSurvivors]

Um...since when is a protection automatically a PM from the mod that the action failed? This isn't an investigative role. I fail to see how that indicates aage is lying. In fact doom, it raises questions as to why you'd block him in the first place.

Yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one that didn't get it lol.. Why on earth would you want to roleblock a doc role??

[strike wolf]

Looks like I need to remind everyone.

Night 3: Rodion (Mr. Squirrel) w/aage

Night 5: Myself w/Pancakemix

Night 6: Iliad w/Aage

Therefore Aage couldn't have known he was role blocked because he was in fact not role blocked.

[aage]

Ok, full claim. I am the town roleblocker. I roleblocked Aage the last 2 nights. Since he wasn't told about the roleblock last night, he didn't protect me.ergo, scum.

I wonder why you'd think I would claim to have been roleblocked yesterday, but not today... Apparently yesterday I did know, and today I didn't. Raises questions as to what actually happened. It seems Strike answered those.

Ok, I'm not an angel lmao. I am Brigit of Kildare, a saint.

Oh, so by your own reasoning you must be scum now, right?

[DoomYoshi]

Um...since when is a protection automatically a PM from the mod that the action failed? This isn't an investigative role. I fail to see how that indicates aage is lying. In fact doom, it raises questions as to why you'd block him in the first place.

He got a pm on Night 5 saying he was roleblocked. He got no such pm on N6.

On Night 5, he hadn't yet claimed as doc, and the kill was blocked. It didn't hurt to block again. In any case, he protected the wrong person, so it didn't matter.

Also, I did forget that strike was in there stirring the pot. Strike, why would you switch the most likely scum with someone who scum isn't likely to kill?

[DoomYoshi]

Iliad, were you roleblocked last night?

[strike wolf]

I haven't been aiming my busdrives at people who are likely to be killed, that should fall on the watcher, doc and any other protective roles to do. I have been aiming my abilities at those who might be recruited (which is going to hurt us more than the kills will anyways). Iliad hasn't been overly active but still a double voter in the hands of the mafia is more valuable than it is for town.

Considering Iliad's role, I am not sure he would even know if he was role blocked as he does not even have a night action (unless he lied about his role to begin with)

[strike wolf]

It occurs to me that with Doom's role seemingly confirmed by Night 5 and mine confirmed by Night 6 through his action that leaves us with Aage, possibly vio (only if Vio is investigation proof) and DrOz as the scum that were on Greg's wagon. The only other option I see is if Doom has actually been a recruited townie since early on. Can't rule it out and was even leaning that way earlier but I do not think the comfirmed night 5 action choice would make sense if he was a recruited townie.

I have believed Aage was scum since day 3 and with his unlikely doctor claim, I will go with him as my first choice of the three.

Vote Aage