Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[jak111]

too many strange things going on with you.

I have to agree. Which has increased. the chances of you been scum to more than 4/11 in my eyes which is why my vote is on you. Not just the sake of lynching someone.

Jonty, don't you find it odd as well that it just so happens to be another on the list to accuse me of things? Especially when I am one of the few trying to actually lead town toward a better outcome.

JG, the reason why I said it is because I didn't receive a forced thing, so Edoc telling you otherwise would be bs. That being said I am the only one of us trying to view it from a town to town perspective, which is pretty funny considering half the guys who would have thought of it in other games are throwing my reasons out the window. Why? Are they sided with you, or are they just not trying this game? How many inactives could have changed the outcome to actually lynching mafia today? How many could prove us both town and just screwing with our roles? The list goes on, but without their input, it's my word against yours and unfortunally the only actives left are either sided with you (in faction) or townie who can't get the real thing because of a damn angel claim which is false unless we are both town, which you insist we are not which means to me that you are privately outing yourself to me as scum and unfortunally with town not letting me prove you wrong you won this fight. Give me an active town and a night to prove you wrong in any situation JG and you'd be hung without losing a townie.

[vodean]

too many strange things going on with you.

I have to agree. Which has increased. the chances of you been scum to more than 4/11 in my eyes which is why my vote is on you. Not just the sake of lynching someone.

Jonty, don't you find it odd as well that it just so happens to be another on the list to accuse me of things? Especially when I am one of the few trying to actually lead town toward a better outcome.

JG, the reason why I said it is because I didn't receive a forced thing, so Edoc telling you otherwise would be bs. That being said I am the only one of us trying to view it from a town to town perspective, which is pretty funny considering half the guys who would have thought of it in other games are throwing my reasons out the window. Why? Are they sided with you, or are they just not trying this game? How many inactives could have changed the outcome to actually lynching mafia today? How many could prove us both town and just screwing with our roles? The list goes on, but without their input, it's my word against yours and unfortunally the only actives left are either sided with you (in faction) or townie who can't get the real thing because of a damn angel claim which is false unless we are both town, which you insist we are not which means to me that you are privately outing yourself to me as scum and unfortunally with town not letting me prove you wrong you won this fight. Give me an active town and a night to prove you wrong in any situation JG and you'd be hung without losing a townie.

when you put half of the players on a list, and multiple people go after you, some of them are bound to be on the list. you are using the fallacy of post hoc ergo hoc.

[jak111]

when you put half of the players on a list, and multiple people go after you, some of them are bound to be on the list. you are using the fallacy of post hoc ergo hoc.

How often do you see it the EXACT people you have under suspicion quickly drift to you Vodean? The exact people you called out before the votes.

I still think it's possible an inactive is seriously fucking us over here though.

[vodean]

when you put half of the players on a list, and multiple people go after you, some of them are bound to be on the list. you are using the fallacy of post hoc ergo hoc.

How often do you see it the EXACT people you have under suspicion quickly drift to you Vodean? The exact people you called out before the votes.

I still think it's possible an inactive is seriously fucking us over here though.

you mean after the votes? cuz this happened like 2 pages ago... we have been voting you all day.

[jak111]

you mean after the votes? cuz this happened like 2 pages ago... we have been voting you all day.

Another lie. Check back at the start of the day Vodean, it took a few real life days for ANYONE to vote me. Correct me if I'm wrong but we were sorting through that list for a lot of the day. It's only been for the past few pages that suspicions due to JG's fake claim has turned to me.

Waiting for the scene so that I can hopefully replace back in or get some shits and giggles from finding out how this is setup.

[vodean]

you mean after the votes? cuz this happened like 2 pages ago... we have been voting you all day.

Another lie. Check back at the start of the day Vodean, it took a few real life days for ANYONE to vote me. Correct me if I'm wrong but we were sorting through that list for a lot of the day. It's only been for the past few pages that suspicions due to JG's fake claim has turned to me.

Waiting for the scene so that I can hopefully replace back in or get some shits and giggles from finding out how this is setup.

lets get some quotes from you to show that you were fingering us at the start of the day (the list doesnt count, since that was a general list, and not just the 5 of us voting you).

[jgordon1111]

you mean after the votes? cuz this happened like 2 pages ago... we have been voting you all day.

Another lie. Check back at the start of the day Vodean, it took a few real life days for ANYONE to vote me. Correct me if I'm wrong but we were sorting through that list for a lot of the day. It's only been for the past few pages that suspicions due to JG's fake claim has turned to me.

Waiting for the scene so that I can hopefully replace back in or get some shits and giggles from finding out how this is setup.

Not a fake claim Jak and if you cant figure out how its not,then that is another strike against you.

[Commander9]

I will be honest - I barely had time to get up to date with the other game and I'm pretty sure I won't be able re-read everything any time soon, so if we have a replacement, that would be great. If not and if you guys still want me in the game, I'd be fine if someone would get me up to date and I'd read the last few pages and try to contribute from there.. Apparently, 2 massive mafia games would still be too much, so I'll only go with 1 at a time (unless something like Community mafia) will come along.

[NoSurvivors]

Ok so I've finally gotten caught up and will try to make daily/every other day posts.

Here's how I see it:

Jak has some weird claim day 1, claims town vote stealer (which isn't hard for me to believe) but then goes on to say he doesn't know what faction he is in, but don't worry he is town. He then says once JG starts calling him out on stuff jak gets jumpy and defensive, posting how he did when I played with him and he was scum, trying to pin me as mafia (which vode will likely remember, lol). He also says he didn't get his night actions in but when edoc says "it would affect the game if I told you" it leads me to think jak is lying. Jan's whole defence is "I'll prove it tomorrow".. If we were to hang JG and he pops red don't you think mafia would kill you as a threat to them? Just my thinking, but I doubt mafia would want to have to deal with a scum hunter like yourself. Now, when JG brings up the point how would you prove me scum if we lynch vode, and jak says "I got a mysterious present". Idk, convenient? I partially skimmed and its late at night so please if any of this doesn't make sense tell me. But I must agree this day is taking a very long time. Vio i wanted to believe you when I read your claim but apparently jak is really bad at playing as scum (if he is) so if he flips red you're next I think.

vote jak I just want this day over, frankly. I don't see a reason not to vote him at this point, his back is against the wall and his only defence is "trust me on this one guys"... I may not be on /'s list, but whatever. I've read and the closer I got to finishing reading the more you look like scum jak.. Au revoir.. But honestly I was looking forward to playing with you, which disappoints me, but it must be done.

[vodean]

Ok so I've finally gotten caught up and will try to make daily/every other day posts.

Here's how I see it:

Jak has some weird claim day 1, claims town vote stealer (which isn't hard for me to believe) but then goes on to say he doesn't know what faction he is in, but don't worry he is town. He then says once JG starts calling him out on stuff jak gets jumpy and defensive, posting how he did when I played with him and he was scum, trying to pin me as mafia (which vode will likely remember, lol). He also says he didn't get his night actions in but when edoc says "it would affect the game if I told you" it leads me to think jak is lying. Jan's whole defence is "I'll prove it tomorrow".. If we were to hang JG and he pops red don't you think mafia would kill you as a threat to them? Just my thinking, but I doubt mafia would want to have to deal with a scum hunter like yourself. Now, when JG brings up the point how would you prove me scum if we lynch vode, and jak says "I got a mysterious present". Idk, convenient? I partially skimmed and its late at night so please if any of this doesn't make sense tell me. But I must agree this day is taking a very long time. Vio i wanted to believe you when I read your claim but apparently jak is really bad at playing as scum (if he is) so if he flips red you're next I think.

vote jak I just want this day over, frankly. I don't see a reason not to vote him at this point, his back is against the wall and his only defence is "trust me on this one guys"... I may not be on /'s list, but whatever. I've read and the closer I got to finishing reading the more you look like scum jak.. Au revoir.. But honestly I was looking forward to playing with you, which disappoints me, but it must be done.

yup. i thought i had mentioned this, but i guess not. jak is playing exactly the same as he did the only other time he has ever been scum. he is not very experienced at it, and drops a few slips by accident.

[VioIet]

it would be great to hear from vio on all this... she usually never posts more than once a week, and sometimes it goes as long as 2 weeks. scummarining? i think so.

If you are going to try to use facts as evidence, at least get them right. You do realize that N2 lasted about five days. 10/12/12- 10/17/12

Oct. 3 - Oct 12 is 9 days- so a week in a half at most. You can't say that I went two weeks without posting in a recent game, since we don't post at night. Also saying I usually never post more than a week isn't accurate either. If you go back to Day 1, I am posting just about every day, and on Day 2, I am posting every 3-4 days.

Dates of my last three posts, excluding this one: 10/29/12, 10/24/12, 10/18/12

That's an average of 5-6 rl days between each one.

Date of my last post: 10/29/12

it would be great to hear from vio on all this... she usually never posts more than once a week, and sometimes it goes as long as 2 weeks. scummarining? i think so.

I am not sure where you get these statistics from I have never gone more than two weeks without posting in any recent game. How many games have you even played with me?

Honestly, I'd be more inclined to vote jak but this behavior is actually fairly par for the course from jak. Same thing happened in Psychology mafia. if Jak thinks you are scum, he won't shift from that position unless you've been 105% cleared and game facts are either twisted or ignored. if you happen to think that Jak is wrong in his position (particularly to the extent of voting him) well you're probably scum to.

I remain adamant about aage , I am 95% convinced he is scum. Which is more than I can say about the other cases on the board.

I actually really like your case on Aage, however, I don't see it gaining any momentum today. It will be between Jak and Vodean. I agree that Jak is playing as normal, yet Vodean always appears extremely scummy to me. I can't ever give him the benefit of the doubt, and I don't believe his role claim. I also wanted to make another case on Victor tomorrow.

As to Jak and Vodean, I still believe that Vodean is the scummier of the two. However, lynching Jak will bring about more info. I may change my vote right before the deadline, if necessary.

By VioIet on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:40 pm

i never said outright that it was an active role. I am Paul of the cross, 3rd party commuter.
I realize that you may not want to keep me around, but my role also has a cryptic section about how St. Paul's following may provide me with information about some of the kills if certain things happen or something like that (again, very vague). the only info i got last night was that last night's kill was by the mafia.... im guessing that since St. Paul's following grew over time that my info will slowly get better.

Commuter is often a fake-claim. Doing a bit of bad meta here, but the commuter role has appeared 3 times in my past games, and all three times they were a fake-claim. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

But even if Vodean is telling the truth, I don't see this as a role really worth saving.

I do like the case on aage, and I believe it's worth exploring tomorrow.

Unvote

Vote Vodean

Postby VioIet on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:17 am

LSU replaces Mr. S.

That is slightly disappointing that no one was able to replace Squirrel before Night 2. This means that Squirrel/LSU was unable to use their night action during Night 2. He could've found out some good information for us.

Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?

I am guessing from this that Chap was given a group of names/people, either two or three. And he was told within the group of two people that one is town and one is mafia. He was probably told within the group of three people that one was mafia and two were town. The thing is- he doesn't know exactly which is which or who is who. He was just given a group of names.
This is interesting- and reminds me of the Stool Pigeon Variant. I doubt that Edoc made this game according to that variant, but interesting similarity, nonetheless.

Fluff my muffins! I can't believe that.

-Sully

What does this even mean? You are not into this game Victor, and I've had my suspicions on your since Day 1.


Vote Victor

[jonty125]

So, you've got nothing to contribute Vio? Just a rebuttal of vodean's case.

[VioIet]

Vio, Have you been reading along? we are less than 2 days from deadline I believe. You do realize That Jak for some reason did not know his alignment D1, and you are pretty much ok with that right? He mis voted? he got a one phase use gift that,suddenly gets an extension on it.

Vio if as jak claims he got this mysterious roleblock right at deadline and got an extension on it,dont you think Edoc would have said hey jak ole buddy you mis voted and you need to change that before its to late?

But all of this is adding up to Jak is somehow playing normal and is town for you? Here is the same question for you Vio,did you know your alignment D1? You really did I believe,so think about it, your role Pm said it,So how did Jak not know his and think he was an angel?

Even if your not into religion as I am guessing some of us are not,Jak is a writer and a reader,so him saying he thought william of york sounded like an angel name is not passing the test for me. I know Jak plays outside the box,this is not outside the box,these are mistakes that I dont believe a player like Jak would make if he was town.

Why do you ask me if I knew my alignment Day 1? I understand that this is a hypothetical question as you are comparing me to Jake. Yet it's still a strange question, as I already claimed on Day 2. On Day 2- I stated that my alignment was confusing, as my role pm did not use the words town/mafia. I can only assume that I am town, as my role-pm did not claim me to be Third-Party or a Demon. The only thing I was able to gather from it is that I am a Saint/Human, and I win if all Demons are killed. I also know for sure that I am not an Angel.

Given the nature of how my role pm was worded, I can understand Jak being confused as well.

I always got the impression that Jake meant to say "William of York," sounded like a Saint name, not an angel name.

I am not going to play the mod, so I have no idea what Edoc would have done. Edoc knows what he is doing.

I am well-aware that if Jak flips mafia, that I will be the target for tomorrow. It's really a darned if I do and darned if I don't situation. Whether I vote or don't vote for Jak, I will still be a point of interest on Day 3.

I already know its an awful reason- but he did win my favor by defending me so vigorously. I'm not 100% sure why he did so. Perhaps he felt it would make him seem more town-like. Now, naturally, people are now relating my actions with his- as though we are connected somehow. I don't believe I did anything to cause this, yet it is impossible to separate myself at this point.

I would honestly like to think that if Jak was Mafia, he'd be playing a whole lot better, and there would be some type of deflection, such as more cases being presented). The mafia discusses their night actions, so it would be hard for me to believe that Jak's scummates would allow him to target a player who's not in the game.

Honestly Vio, the pace of each game requires varying levels of participation. Since you were part of possible connections, I would have thought you would have more to say given the amount of discussion that has passed since you posted.

Instead, what we get is just some player meta analysis, an old case on an inactive, and a rather lukewarm endorsement of the current lynch wagon.

Depending on what jak flips, I would strongly consider this a case of flying under the radar. Either way, it's a good starting point for discussion tomorrow.

You can start a case on me if you like. But I have already claimed, so it won't warrant you much information. At best it will help narrow down Chap's list, as far as which four anti-town players were on the Day 2 bandwagon.

Remember, there was nothing I said to get myself involved in all these "connections." That was Jak's doing, along with the reactions of others. Squirrel asked me to claim, and I did so to help him find information. That was all.

Vodean claimed non-town, not non-human. As far as I'm concerned, the humans are non-town; though not necessarily anti-town.

I am a human, and I 100% believe that I am town. However, I can't say if all humans in the game are town-aligned, and Vodean has claimed to be Third-Party Human.

So, you've got nothing to contribute Vio? Just a rebuttal of vodean's case.

You fast-posted me. I needed some time to type out this post.

[vodean]

So, you've got nothing to contribute Vio? Just a rebuttal of vodean's case.

and an overly thorough (though abusing the numbers) and jumpy defense. yes, being too thorough shows that you are trying to hide something. that whole thing could have been done in a paragraph or two, rather than a page or three.

[jak111]

So, you've got nothing to contribute Vio? Just a rebuttal of vodean's case.

and an overly thorough (though abusing the numbers) and jumpy defense. yes, being too thorough shows that you are trying to hide something. that whole thing could have been done in a paragraph or two, rather than a page or three.

For one that speaks of people who do not contribute, you've barely contributed at all. The only posts I see from you is backing up one of the scummier/scum players and you are just gliding through. Once JG is dealt with tomorrow, unless you guys got a scum for sure and not falling for another bs claim, you might wish to turn your train back to Vodean here who seems to love being openly scummy.

Violet, sorry for connecting you to me, but I firmly believe that we are of the similar role pm. But don't worry about being the target tomorrow. Upon my death, JG will have a LOT of explaining to do. Today he'll act cocky and glide through until my lynch, but tomorrow unless he got an excuse he shall be in the hangman's noose.

[vodean]

So, you've got nothing to contribute Vio? Just a rebuttal of vodean's case.

and an overly thorough (though abusing the numbers) and jumpy defense. yes, being too thorough shows that you are trying to hide something. that whole thing could have been done in a paragraph or two, rather than a page or three.

For one that speaks of people who do not contribute, you've barely contributed at all. The only posts I see from you is backing up one of the scummier/scum players and you are just gliding through. Once JG is dealt with tomorrow, unless you guys got a scum for sure and not falling for another bs claim, you might wish to turn your train back to Vodean here who seems to love being openly scummy.

Violet, sorry for connecting you to me, but I firmly believe that we are of the similar role pm. But don't worry about being the target tomorrow. Upon my death, JG will have a LOT of explaining to do. Today he'll act cocky and glide through until my lynch, but tomorrow unless he got an excuse he shall be in the hangman's noose.

so we are all scummy liars who post without contributing and vote for you because we are cyber-stalkers and have stalked you for years. am i getting this about right?

[edocsil]

Alright Enough of this. If you can't keep it clean you WILL be modkilled.

A list of no-no's to avoid.

Accusations of cyber stalking. (we don't need more yomeil)
Active Trolling.
Really terrible mafia logic.
(swearing is not on this list)

I was unimpressed at best by today. There was a lot shit getting thrown around that really had noting to do with the game. Keep it clean, keep your cases objective, and play a better game tomorrow.

Scene

It was a heated day, and all the angels argued bitterly. Who was human and who was demon? Who could be trusted? The town's ire fell upon one man, a man named William of York. Despite his protests, his accusations, and all his other words the rest of the assembled people subdued him. There was some question if they should properly hang him and bury the body, but instead they decides to tear him limb from limb and burn the pieces to ash. William of York was slow in dieing.

Jak ~ William of York Saint ~ Vote Thief has been killed

I would also like to do a bit of a headcount tonight. All players must PM me at some point during the night to confirm activity. If you have a night action, that PM will suffice.

[edocsil]

Lovo replaces Nag

[lord voldemort]

I confirm...and shall be read up by day start

[edocsil]

Few people trickling in PMs. Closing the deadline in a few hours, be sure to get in the confirmation PM.

[edocsil]

An Archangel sat and watched the shadows. Shapes flickered in the night, and until now, there were none he could be sure he could trust. He had stayed his hand to long now, and now he must act. He took a massive greatsword from his back. It was a colossal thing, no human could have wielded it. In truth it was never meant to be used to kill, it was a totem of the angels power that he received from Yahweh. He chose his target and slammed the sword into the ground, burying it into the earth. A golden shield rose up from the sword and protected its target against the horrors of the night. So the angel stood until dawn came.

Elsewhere and mortal found the body of a fallen angel. The angel was broken from the strife with the demons, but in body only. The man put his hands on on the corpse and began to pray. His arms grew weak, his voice turned hoarse, and his life ebbed from him and into the angel. His last words fell as a whisper, and at the final sentence the angel opened his eyes, his body whole once more.

Hensow ~ Ignatius of Laconi Saint ~ Suicide Reviver has committed suicide
Gregwolf has returned to life


Rodion replaces LSU (v2)
I need to replace victor as well, but there is no one left that I can use to replace.

[Rodion]

Confirm. In the process of catching up.

[jgordon1111]

Well Jak I now declare I have no idea of what you were possibly thinking, I missed on you,but I still stand by what I said with the way you were playing I would have taken odds you were scum.

I am who and what I said I am. hensow that sacrafice might should have been held for another night or 2,but it does give town a confirmed player back in.

Anyone got anything to bring beings I lynched Jak?

[aage]

Cool mechanism! But... it kind of validates my point about dead people replacing. But if it doesn't matter anyway, Jak can still replace I think.
No night kill, again, it seems. Apparently one of the archangels is a very accurate doctor.

Several things we could pursue now. jgordon was obviously wrong about his suspicion, I'll look into his claims after the weekend though to see if anything doesn't check out. Vodean is still claiming third party, and there were people who wanted to lynch him. And Strike was going to continue his argument against me; I'm waiting eagerly. And there's chapcrap who will post a list of town/non-town on yesterday's lynch.

As I said, I won't be posting until Monday.

[/]

So we have our "Universal Mason" back, and thankfully chap is still with us.

So, does universal mason mean he can talk to anyone at any time? If so, perhaps we all should give him our roles by PM so there's at least one townie in the know.