[Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Endgame

[jonty125]

PR's don't have to "appear in every post". I've been in a game where I had a pr but only had to do it once a day.

Suppose it depends on the mod.

I want sully replaced.

He's been prodded but I'd rather see him replaced than voted off.

[edocsil]

Unvote vote sully

Nice play doom. It's funny to see who knows what you are talking about and who doesn't. I think the information will prove invaluable by the endgame.

Obviously I don't support a Doom Lynch. Wed is deadline, and I know how much of a bitch it is to get replaces on games this large. Vic's death is better then NL, unless he can be replaced in the next 24 hrs or so.

[elonpuckhog]

Elonpuckhog has been on twice since I accused him if being VT. I am not sure how to interpret the silence.

Are you stalking me Doom? I don't spend all my time in the Mafia forum...I also have quite a few games going on right now.

I'll post a more detailed analysis later, but for now I think the safest play is Sully (who still hasn't been on Since Oct 2 - hope he is ok).

unvote vote Sully

[edocsil]

it does say who is on at the bottom of the forum btw. I noticed it myself too.

[lord voldemort]

I dont support anyone pushing sullys lynch....Id much prefer to see a replacement than a quick lynch of a potential useful role.

[Commander9]

The big problem with Doom is that IF he's a VT, he's not playing it right. Why is it problematic? He's been here long enough to know how to play what. As a VT, you want to do everything you can to indicate you're a power role and attract all attention to yourself (mostly positive, if possible), so you'd give town better chances of staying intact with main power roles while they pick off scum. He's doing almost the opposite of it... Which leaves me to believe that he's not a VT. I've not decided just yet whether I want to see him lynched... But I am leaning towards that as we don't really have a lot of other decent candidates, so in all likelihood it will be him or no lynch.

I will not support lynching Sully yet - I still hope to see him get replaced.

[elonpuckhog]

I'm keeping my vote on Sully for now. IMO, we need to lynch someone, especially if they can "come back from the dead" or there are post death implications. I also want to see him replaced, but at this point, if he is replaced, we also need to extend the D1 deadline.

I went back through the thread so far and the best case I can come up with is Doom. He claims VT after only 2 votes (no where near being lynched) and claims that he knows I am as well. This after he accuses me of lying but doesn't really state where he knows I am lying. Further, I don't believe there are ANY VTs in this game. Since this is an official game, I would expect almost everyone to have some sort of power role, post restriction, or other quirk that makes them non-vanilla. So, Doom claiming VT is suspicious in and of itself.

As to Doom wanting a response to his "accusation" of me being a VT, I still want him to tell me where I was lying. As I stated, I don't think there are any VTs in this game and that is all I will reveal about my role at this time. No one is currently voting for me and until I get a significant number of votes, I won't claim.

Two other things stand out:

1. Doom and Rishaed pushing for no lynch, especially in light of the rules where there is a 50% chance the highest vote getter will die in the event of a NL. Voting NL wipes that out. It is just noted for now.

2. Ghostly's overreaction from before is noted as well. I think personally its not much of a starter, but he hasn't posted lately as well to respond. It may be time to pressure him as a secondary case.

Also, those who don't want to hang Sully simply because he is inactive - do you want to hang someone, or end day 1 with NL?

[soundman]

I'm not going to vote Doom. I have an inkling of what he's doing (or I could be entirely wrong) and don't think lynching him is a good option. I would rather have Sully replaced than lynched. He could have a very helpful town role.

I think Ghostly's vote on an obvious joke vote is the next most suspicious action today. And for that I will Unvote Vote Ghostly.

[edocsil]

The big problem with Doom is that IF he's a VT, he's not playing it right. Why is it problematic? He's been here long enough to know how to play what. As a VT, you want to do everything you can to indicate you're a power role and attract all attention to yourself (mostly positive, if possible), so you'd give town better chances of staying intact with main power roles while they pick off scum. He's doing almost the opposite of it... Which leaves me to believe that he's not a VT. I've not decided just yet whether I want to see him lynched... But I am leaning towards that as we don't really have a lot of other decent candidates, so in all likelihood it will be him or no lynch.

I will not support lynching Sully yet - I still hope to see him get replaced.

VT's are not very VTish This is going to be a wild game.

[vodean]

sorry for my absence. i work weekends and have virtually no time.

my thoughts on the day so far, but not formatted well... just some things that stood out to me (or are worthy of remembering), with links rather than quotation marks:
[list=A][*] Confirm! Muahahahhahahahahaha*cough*ha. . . just wanted to do that once --> probably nothing, but interesting to see from rishaed, who has had other scummy posts since then.


From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=75
[*] Vote Jonty Because obviously we are talking scifi. I havent even read/seen anything about lovecraft before and it is quite apparent after 3-4 pages of talk about it. This seems to be a pathetic attempt at throwing out a vote and hoping someone will take the bait and go too far with it. -->ok, a post from ghostly where he seems to be trying to be lynching a foreigner (or just someone who doesnt know lovecraft that well)

From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=105

[*] by DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:26 pm
vote no lynch

I am pretty sure everyone has a pretty cool role. Let's let everyone go into night. -->do i even need to comment? doom confirms several times, then this. he is trying to get us to lynch him, i think. i believe that he may be VT, but i think that if we lynch him he will gain powers. he may lose a vote, but he will be able to manipulate the actions of the dead or something. we need to watch him closely.

From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=150
[*]elonpuckhog on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:35 pm
spiesr wrote:
elonpuckhog wrote:unvote

I really don't have anything to add to the discussion at this point, but I don't want to be inactive in this game. I'll rescind my joke vote and continue to monitor the thread.
Hmm, in order give us some more stuff to discuss and to keep you involved I am going to ask you some questions. You can respond however you wish, but note that your reaction will color my opinion of you for the rest of the game.
1. Do you think this game has a traditional scum faction?
2. Do you think this game has a cult?
3. What do you make of these rule details:
/ wrote:5. Once I post your death scene, you may not speak in the thread at all unless I say otherwise, goodbye messages are not allowed at all in this game for certain reasons.
7. Night talk is not permitted at all in this game for certain reasons
4. What do you think is the most important thing for you to do
A: in this game
B: and on Day 1 on specifically 
in order to achieve your win condition?

To answer your first two questions, my gut feeling tells me there are 3 parties in this game. Whether they are cult, scum, whatever, my feeling tells me there are three parties. But all I have to go on is my gut. I think the answer to number 3 is in the thread already (a very credible answer I think - people who die may not really be dead!). On day 1, we need to do SOMETHING in this game - get some pressure on some people and lynch someone. In my previous two games on this board, both have ended without a day one lynch or really anything to go on. IMO, this benefits town the least.

What I find scummy is your aggressive post, especially the quote in red. Why did you direct these questions only to me? Why does my response color your opinion of me for the rest of the game? 

Finally, on the topic of inactivity, the deadline is Wednesday, so I think now is a good time to start pressuring. I understand people have lives and midterms. But we need to do something. If they are too busy to post, maybe we should just lynch them.
Fastposted by betiko --> just wanted to make sure this whole exchange is on record. despite spiesr being in his meta by doing this sort of thing, it is very scummy. he is rolefishing, and is trying to act like he must be right because he is spiesr. the same goes for the post where he votes me and asks why we shouldn't lynch me. he is trying to get me to reveal something about myself. im not going to do it. for this, i am going to vote spiesr

From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=165


i think we can infer that doom is hiding SOMETHING or other, but we will have to wait and see what it is.
FOS everyone who wants to lynch the inactives. we are not short on good cases, and the inactives can be replaced. we dont want to risk making them stronger/scum/something worse by lynching them.
FOS doom and rishaed for pushing a no lynch. notice rishaed is following doom around.

[vodean]

sorry for my absence. i work weekends and have virtually no time.

my thoughts on the day so far, but not formatted well... just some things that stood out to me (or are worthy of remembering), with links rather than quotation marks:

1. Confirm! Muahahahhahahahahaha*cough*ha. . . just wanted to do that once --> probably nothing, but interesting to see from rishaed, who has had other scummy posts since then.
   
   
   From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=75
2. Vote Jonty Because obviously we are talking scifi. I havent even read/seen anything about lovecraft before and it is quite apparent after 3-4 pages of talk about it. This seems to be a pathetic attempt at throwing out a vote and hoping someone will take the bait and go too far with it. -->ok, a post from ghostly where he seems to be trying to be lynching a foreigner (or just someone who doesnt know lovecraft that well)
   
   From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=105
   
3. by DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:26 pm
   vote no lynch
   
   I am pretty sure everyone has a pretty cool role. Let's let everyone go into night. -->do i even need to comment? doom confirms several times, then this. he is trying to get us to lynch him, i think. i believe that he may be VT, but i think that if we lynch him he will gain powers. he may lose a vote, but he will be able to manipulate the actions of the dead or something. we need to watch him closely.
   
   From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=150
4. elonpuckhog on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:35 pm
   spiesr wrote:
   elonpuckhog wrote:unvote
   
   I really don't have anything to add to the discussion at this point, but I don't want to be inactive in this game. I'll rescind my joke vote and continue to monitor the thread.
   Hmm, in order give us some more stuff to discuss and to keep you involved I am going to ask you some questions. You can respond however you wish, but note that your reaction will color my opinion of you for the rest of the game.
   1. Do you think this game has a traditional scum faction?
   2. Do you think this game has a cult?
   3. What do you make of these rule details:
   / wrote:5. Once I post your death scene, you may not speak in the thread at all unless I say otherwise, goodbye messages are not allowed at all in this game for certain reasons.
   7. Night talk is not permitted at all in this game for certain reasons
   4. What do you think is the most important thing for you to do
   A: in this game
   B: and on Day 1 on specifically 
   in order to achieve your win condition?
   
   To answer your first two questions, my gut feeling tells me there are 3 parties in this game. Whether they are cult, scum, whatever, my feeling tells me there are three parties. But all I have to go on is my gut. I think the answer to number 3 is in the thread already (a very credible answer I think - people who die may not really be dead!). On day 1, we need to do SOMETHING in this game - get some pressure on some people and lynch someone. In my previous two games on this board, both have ended without a day one lynch or really anything to go on. IMO, this benefits town the least.
   
   What I find scummy is your aggressive post, especially the quote in red. Why did you direct these questions only to me? Why does my response color your opinion of me for the rest of the game? 
   
   Finally, on the topic of inactivity, the deadline is Wednesday, so I think now is a good time to start pressuring. I understand people have lives and midterms. But we need to do something. If they are too busy to post, maybe we should just lynch them.
   Fastposted by betiko --> just wanted to make sure this whole exchange is on record. despite spiesr being in his meta by doing this sort of thing, it is very scummy. he is rolefishing, and is trying to act like he must be right because he is spiesr. the same goes for the post where he votes me and asks why we shouldn't lynch me. he is trying to get me to reveal something about myself. im not going to do it. for this, i am going to vote spiesr
   
   From http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=178916&start=165

i think we can infer that doom is hiding SOMETHING or other, but we will have to wait and see what it is.
FOS everyone who wants to lynch the inactives. we are not short on good cases, and the inactives can be replaced. we dont want to risk making them stronger/scum/something worse by lynching them.
FOS doom and rishaed for pushing a no lynch. notice rishaed is following doom around.

EBWOP

[DoomYoshi]

Elon, the only way that typos would know that there are no "vanilla" townies is if you have the most basic role, right?

Anyways, can anyone explain why we should replace rather than just lynch sully? Can you provide a helpful town role for this game?

Cops suck because recruitment changes alignment and trusting cop results is balls in cult games.
Docs aren't important because death doesn't seem to be important.
Roleblockers, busdrivers, LRs and nexii only add to the confusion.
Vig is an anti-town role in any game.

So, can anyone who wants sully replaced give me a possible beneficial role to town? I can't see one, and I am noting this response as the "safe" response. LSU looks scummiest out of the bunch there.

[DoomYoshi]

Elon, the only way that someone would know that there are no "vanilla" townies is if you have the most basic role, right?

Anyways, can anyone explain why we should replace rather than just lynch sully? Can you provide a helpful town role for this game?

Cops suck because recruitment changes alignment and trusting cop results is balls in cult games.
Docs aren't important because death doesn't seem to be important.
Roleblockers, busdrivers, LRs and nexii only add to the confusion.
Vig is an anti-town role in any game.

So, can anyone who wants sully replaced give me a possible beneficial role to town? I can't see one, and I am noting this response as the "safe" response. LSU looks scummiest out of the bunch there.

EBWOP:

Elon: I explained exactly where i said you were lying, and I claimed in order to prove what I knew. Your most recent posts confirm that you know exactly what I am talking about, but can't put the ends together. It's ok, read carefully, but avoid talking now as we don't want you giving too much away anymore.

[ghostly447]

Catching up in this game so far. On page 14, 15 minutes left in this class, so I will try to finish up at home. During reading, 2 things jumped to mind:

Betiko suggesting the necromancy scenario (dead can PM, yadayadayada, you know what I mean I think) came accross to me as knowing more than he is letting on more than just suggesting a possibility.

DoomYoshi may be acting like a Jester, but here is an idea to chew on. Could it be that the reason he confirmed so many times is because he is actually apart of this whole necromancy thing? Lets pick it apart. Maybe he got multiple role pm's as a possible 'second role' so to speak incase he dies. Maybe, as well, he switches sides when lynched. On top of that, maybe he will be a cult leader once lynched, or something of that sort. Just some thoughts that raced to my head once kanin brought it back up that he confirmed multiple times.

It is thought Doom may be a Jester, but personally, I think it is worth an investigation, and potentially a lynch Day 2 to see. Back to reading! 10 minutes left now..

[ghostly447]

Another 2 things I noted on doom:

1. He seemed to be going hard after Elon. Maybe a lynch on Elon is needed to meet his win condition? Similar to the Pokemon mafia?
2. He double posted in his recent posts that I saw (I finished page 14, will finish 15 when I get home). Maybe a requirement for his role?

[Nendreel]

Been mulling this over for a while.
I'm not going to bother voting for Sully. If he shows, I'll save time not having to unvote. If he doesn't I think he still has the most votes anyways, so he may get auto-lynched.

Ghostly's reaction to the joke-vote seems overboard, but I haven't seen much else that's scummy from him.

Which brings us to DoomYoshi, who has just been acting bizarre. First accusing elon of lying, then eventually we get a roundabout explanation of how, which still doesn't really implicate elon since it relies on assumptions made by Doom. He's also claimed VT, but a special VT who isn't going to be boring. And to top it all off calls LSU scummy without explanation.

It may very well be that Doom is jestering, but I'm willing to take that chance.

vote DoomYoshi
FP a lot

[DoomYoshi]

Been mulling this over for a while.
I'm not going to bother voting for Sully. If he shows, I'll save time not having to unvote. If he doesn't I think he still has the most votes anyways, so he may get auto-lynched.

Ghostly's reaction to the joke-vote seems overboard, but I haven't seen much else that's scummy from him.

Which brings us to DoomYoshi, who has just been acting bizarre. First accusing elon of lying, then eventually we get a roundabout explanation of how, which still doesn't really implicate elon since it relies on assumptions made by Doom. He's also claimed VT, but a special VT who isn't going to be boring. And to top it all off calls LSU scummy without explanation.

It may very well be that Doom is jestering, but I'm willing to take that chance.

vote DoomYoshi
FP a lot

A) elon was lying. He has the same role PM I do. Otherwise, he wouldn't know that there are no true vanillas. Since our role pm implicitly states that there is a cult, he was lying about his knowledge of the cult. (@ghostly: I wasnt pushing for him, why would I push someone with the same role/win condition as me?)

B) I gave an explanation for why LSU is scummy. He took the safest possible reaction to a situation in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.

[betiko]

ghostly, about the dead that still could pm the living like "voices in their heads" is just a thought from the flavour and from the point brought up by swifte.

And yes I agree with doom, PRs aren't important in this game, VTs are. lynch sully!!!

fastposed

[betiko]

another thing, I think that doom is wrong and elon didn't make any vt tell, he is not the first to bring up the cult thing so he is just repeating stuff he saw here. he could as well just be a cult recruiter.

[thehippo8]

It is highly possible that Doom believes that he knows something about Elon (from his PM) but is mistaken, mislead or misconceived (or thinks he's Miss Universe). I think Doom is just a distraction and that Elon is confused as all get out. Just some thoughts on the Sully lynch. Firstly, is it really likely that Sully would be given a good role given his recent history of deadbeating on games, not completing other mafia games and general disappearance? And, Betiko, if VTs are really the most important thing here - do we really need the grief? I am leaning more towards either a NL or considering someething solid. On that note, the most reasoned post to consider is Vodean's. As to Doom, he is soft-claiming unlynchable so I think that anyone with a night rolecop role or similar could help us there but why waste a lynch? Soundman's idea about ghostly was weak and now we have some input we should be grateful that it was effective, but I can't buy that one. So that leaves me with spiesr for now. I'd be interested in hearing more from others on their thoughts on Vodean's comments - but at this stage it's probably a NL and that may be better to pursue tomorrow?

[Nendreel]

A) elon was lying. He has the same role PM I do. Otherwise, he wouldn't know that there are no true vanillas. Since our role pm implicitly states that there is a cult, he was lying about his knowledge of the cult. (@ghostly: I wasnt pushing for him, why would I push someone with the same role/win condition as me?)

Ok, how do you know he has the same role PM as you?

B) I gave an explanation for why LSU is scummy. He took the safest possible reaction to a situation in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.

How is wanting an inactive player replaced scummy? While it may be true that Sully's role may not be important, I would think one more person running around investigating/watching/tracking/whatevering would help us pin down scum. The more people looking around the fewer lies scum can get away with.
I'm more curious as to why you DON'T want Sully replaced.

[vodean]

my role PM also seems to suggest that there are no true VTs. I am not a VT though... doom, i now believe, as a result of your most recent posts, that you may be fake-claiming.

[rishaed]

the confirm was my first post, sorry if that counts as a scum tell for you. . . I mean seriously the game hadn't even started yet. I am laughing just a bit about the 'rishaed is following doom around' post at the end. I mean I backed up what I was saying with what I was thinking at the time, as for the doom thing. . . if you hadn't noticed i already FOS'd him (pretty sure have to look back) but if I haven't then I'm doing it now ya know? Plus I have been at him for the entire Jester act he's been putting on, whether or not its even legit. And IF your willing than your more than welcome to post my other 'scummy' *cough* posts. I'd be more than happy to get your point of view

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[edocsil]

Jesus. I hate stupid people.

Anyhow, come back once you all remove head from ass. Next person who suggests Jester aught to get vigged.

[Kanin Usagi]

Could we get a vote count please?