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Why though? At this point it seems unlikely that he will return, so are you just voting the the guy who isn't here because it is easy? If he ends up getting replaced then his replacement will have a bunch of votes on him that he couldn't even begin to answer for. If he comes back what sort of explanation are you expecting for his action? His sole post was (what I presume to be) basically just a random vote. While it wasn't really appropriate for him to do so at that point in time and he needs to know that much more will be expected of him, is it really a good idea to base our entire Day 1 case off of this? Does what he has done really make you think he is scum or are you just going with the easy vote? (These questions more or less extended to everybody on that vote.) My vote will be staying where it is.jonty125 wrote:Prod received.
unvote, vote warlord for voting without a reason
spiesr wrote:Why though? At this point it seems unlikely that he will return, so are you just voting the the guy who isn't here because it is easy? If he ends up getting replaced then his replacement will have a bunch of votes on him that he couldn't even begin to answer for. If he comes back what sort of explanation are you expecting for his action? His sole post was (what I presume to be) basically just a random vote. While it wasn't really appropriate for him to do so at that point in time and he needs to know that much more will be expected of him, is it really a good idea to base our entire Day 1 case off of this? Does what he has done really make you think he is scum or are you just going with the easy vote? (These questions more or less extended to everybody on that vote.) My vote will be staying where it is.jonty125 wrote:Prod received.
unvote, vote warlord for voting without a reason
He hasn't been replaced yet.jonty125 wrote:Well I was expecting/hoping him to return but that now he's been replaced unvote
spiesr wrote:He hasn't been replaced yet.jonty125 wrote:Well I was expecting/hoping him to return but that now he's been replaced unvote
thechuck51 wrote:working on a replacement for warlord5
spiesr wrote:Why though? At this point it seems unlikely that he will return, so are you just voting the the guy who isn't here because it is easy? If he ends up getting replaced then his replacement will have a bunch of votes on him that he couldn't even begin to answer for. If he comes back what sort of explanation are you expecting for his action? His sole post was (what I presume to be) basically just a random vote. While it wasn't really appropriate for him to do so at that point in time and he needs to know that much more will be expected of him, is it really a good idea to base our entire Day 1 case off of this? Does what he has done really make you think he is scum or are you just going with the easy vote? (These questions more or less extended to everybody on that vote.) My vote will be staying where it is.jonty125 wrote:Prod received.
unvote, vote warlord for voting without a reason
lynx_ wrote:Vote: kgb007
For real this time.
StubbsKVM wrote:lynx_ wrote:Vote: kgb007
For real this time.
any specific reason?
betiko wrote:lynx_ wrote:Vote: kgb007
For real this time.
you might want to follow that by some sort of explanation.
jonty125 wrote:What the others said, justification is expected.
thechuck51 wrote:Skillfusniper33 replaces rishaed
lynx_ wrote:Will be out of action for a day or two from Thursday the 6th until at least that Sunday. Hope that isn't an issue!
Is it possible you are confusing yourself about this post?betiko wrote:So no one else remembers a post from lynx where he said he would elaborate his vote on kgb when he has time? A post erased before any answer as there is no trace left..
kgb007 wrote:In an effort to nullify lynx's vote and offer something meaningful, here goes...
<tons of useful flavour information but no scum-hunting>
kgb seems really worried about having a vote on him judging by this post, and appears to be using a classic chainsaw defense to protect himself from a perceived threat. My vote stays where it is.kgb007 wrote:I'll vote lynx_ because he still has yet to provide an explanation of his vote on me despite my post giving some initial flavor to the game, that's scum
I like players who jump on everything that comes up. I personally think jonty is one of the towniest players in this game.spiesr wrote:Vote Jonty, his responses to recent actions have given me the vibe that he is trying to jump on everything that comes up. If I extrapolate this, possibly unreasonably, it points towards him hoping that any of that sticks and a "lynch anybody but me" mentality. This vote is weak but should suffice at this time of Day.
spiesr wrote:Is it possible you are confusing yourself about this post?betiko wrote:So no one else remembers a post from lynx where he said he would elaborate his vote on kgb when he has time? A post erased before any answer as there is no trace left..
lynx_ wrote:Firstly, I don't think we should be voting warlord. Sure, he gave one unjustified vote then disappeared, but is that really the smoking gun we need for a lynch? The wagon on him is moving quickly, and there is nobody defending him. This suggests to me that he is probably town, certainly enough to give him a pass into tomorrow in the hope of a replacement. The question is whether his wagon is being influenced by scum or just lazy townies.
Comrade Kirk wrote:I'm not uncomfortable with a discussion about Omar. From what I remember of the show, Omar works with BPD in the first series, so a vig would make much more sense than an sk. It's easy to dismiss my argument as WIFOM but, at that stage of the game, there really was nothing to go on and at least I got a bit of conversation going.
In my experience, character speculation is ok early on but it can quickly get out of hand and serve as a mafia distraction tactic. I'm generally wary of people who focus on the characters because they are leading the conversation away from actual scum hunting.
lynx_ wrote:And next, we have my vote on kgb.kgb007 wrote:In an effort to nullify lynx's vote and offer something meaningful, here goes...
<tons of useful flavour information but no scum-hunting>
So, when I throw votes out as I did, I look for reactions from the voted player, specifically defensive reactions. Rather than reacting with suspicion at being voted out of the blue (I don't recall him as doing anything particularly scummy up to the point where I voted him), kgb reflexively offered up this flavour information which in itself is a null-tell but in this context appears to be self-preservation.
Then later,kgb007 wrote:I'll vote lynx_ because he still has yet to provide an explanation of his vote on me despite my post giving some initial flavor to the game, that's scum
kgb seems really worried about having a vote on him judging by this post, and appears to be using a classic chainsaw defense to protect himself from a perceived threat. My vote stays where it is.
One more thing I noticed:I like players who jump on everything that comes up. I personally think jonty is one of the towniest players in this game.spiesr wrote:Vote Jonty, his responses to recent actions have given me the vibe that he is trying to jump on everything that comes up. If I extrapolate this, possibly unreasonably, it points towards him hoping that any of that sticks and a "lynch anybody but me" mentality. This vote is weak but should suffice at this time of Day.
Lampshading a weak vote and justifying it with 'but it's D1' is scummy, FoS spiesr.
I'm afraid that's all I have time for (got to get ready for an interview) but I will repeat that I'm not happy with a warlord lynch. While lurker lynches look good on paper, they too often turn out to be town. A good lynch D1 can make a game much easier later on.
kgb007 wrote:fine i'll spice things up a bit and circle back to lynx since he hasn't said anything to justify his vote despite multiple requests for justification..
betiko wrote:Regarding warlord, the idea is not to lynch him but to put pressure on him, then decide.. Of course if he disapears it s a bit complicated to put pressure on him. But i d rather not forget this when his replacement shows up.
jonty125 wrote:So in summary lynx, what you're saying is. Your vote on KGB was a 'reaction test', because KGB had done nothing to warrant a vote, and you say I'll explain later. Some time passes, and KGB then votes you for not providing your reason and you say that's scummy. I disagree with your comment that KGB was 'really worried' about your vote, but then again only KGB would know.
I disagree with your random vote in principle but I can see how you've tried to form a case using it. I disagree with your case on KGB but as of now cannot decide whether its just through a disagreeal of opinions, or that your scum looking for town to form a bandwagon.
skillfusniper33 wrote:betiko wrote:Regarding warlord, the idea is not to lynch him but to put pressure on him, then decide.. Of course if he disapears it s a bit complicated to put pressure on him. But i d rather not forget this when his replacement shows up.
I don't think putting pressure on the replacement is necessarily a bad thing, but he won't be able to offer anything in regards to warlords thoughts. The pressure would be more to see if we can get him to make a mistake, and I don't have an issue with that. I don't like the idea of having what warlord said screw over the replacement if he comes in.
If it comes down to the wire I am with safari and think we need to get rid of deadweight early, otherwise this game will just die, and getting hammer votes later on might become difficult if we have multiple people inactive.jonty125 wrote:So in summary lynx, what you're saying is. Your vote on KGB was a 'reaction test', because KGB had done nothing to warrant a vote, and you say I'll explain later. Some time passes, and KGB then votes you for not providing your reason and you say that's scummy. I disagree with your comment that KGB was 'really worried' about your vote, but then again only KGB would know.
I disagree with your random vote in principle but I can see how you've tried to form a case using it. I disagree with your case on KGB but as of now cannot decide whether its just through a disagreeal of opinions, or that your scum looking for town to form a bandwagon.
I really think what lynx was trying to do was actually to see if anyone would step up and help defend KGB rather the defense he had, or how much of an overreaction KGB took. Or at least that is what I understood from his post. I would also like to hear a little more about lynx's reasons as well since it seems to be an interesting tactic
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