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Inca Empire [12-02] V5

Postby sannemanrobinson on Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:25 am

Map Name: The Inca Empire
Mapmaker(s): sannemanrobinson
Number of Territories: 40
Special Features: starting neutrals, auto decays, partial bonuses
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made: great culture and new topic at CC

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The temples start 1 neutral and also decay with 1.

The inspiration for this map is from Natty's Maya Empire. It would be cool to have a series of first nations maps.

The linear shape along the coast makes it difficult to prevent bottlenecks like California had. For this reason I had to be creative in placing the mountains and rivers.

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V3 - graphic touch up
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V1
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby VicFontaine on Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:08 am

I love it. You could make it far more appealing and interesting by adding some more unique cultural things to the map. They were fisherman. Add fish or boats along the coast. They grew certain crops. Add those as bonuses. Etc. It would be more educational, add to the gameplay, and you could make it an objective win as well, "Hold 7 cultural (things) to win."
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:30 am

What are you using for graphics?
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby sannemanrobinson on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:07 pm

Thanks for the feedback. More gameplay element would be too much I think. Some decorations are possible of course. I was also considering secret places as a winning condition but they are mostly redundant.

Its Gimp but the borders are not made with paths yet. Then its easier to play with. The south side is a bit slimmer now.

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The style I would like to get a an old drawing. Some sketches of people and symbols could be part of that. I will finalize the border with paths but does anyone have experience with old paper look?
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:12 pm

You don't need to use paths for the borders. I do most of my borders with the ink tool.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:36 pm

sannemanrobinson wrote:... does anyone have experience with old paper look?

I know DiM does.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:40 pm

*cough* korea *cough*

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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:41 pm

*cough* sorry *cough*
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Re: Inca Empire 21-1-2012 [V3 p.1]

Postby sannemanrobinson on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:43 am

Here is an update. Should this not sit in map ideas by the way?

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Overlapping the bonus zones seemed like a nice idea. The number of regions is not the same anymore for every colour which brings some variation.

The ink tool was a good suggestion Natty Dread :)
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby natty dread on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:55 am

Yeah, the ink tool is the best. I'd marry the ink tool and take it to my bed everynight if that was in any way possible.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby VicFontaine on Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:00 am

I have no idea how you guys do this, but it looks better and better with each version.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby The Bison King on Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:40 am

The linear shape along the coast makes it difficult to prevent bottlenecks like California had.

Hey! careful now!

J/k

There's nothing wrong with having strategic points on the map that can consolidate your borders provided both ends of the map are balanced against each other.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:47 am

The Bison King wrote:There's nothing wrong with having strategic points on the map that can consolidate your borders provided both ends of the map are balanced against each other.


There kind of is actually.

For one thing, one player can easily block eliminations of another player for his own advantage if he can block a large are by fortifying one or two regions. There should be possibilities for this on a map, but they shouldn't be made too easy.
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:50 am

natty_dread wrote:
The Bison King wrote:There's nothing wrong with having strategic points on the map that can consolidate your borders provided both ends of the map are balanced against each other.


There kind of is actually.

For one thing, one player can easily block eliminations of another player for his own advantage if he can block a large are by fortifying one or two regions. There should be possibilities for this on a map, but they shouldn't be made too easy.

While "nothing wrong" is probably not really what TBK meant, I agree with his sentiment.


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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby Flapcake on Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:10 pm

I realy like your grapich style, please keep it.

Now at ohter hand I think you need to explain your legend better, about the bonuses, I like your idea of have bonus for holding all of same colors, but for the XML code you need to call your bonus areas for something, and in that ligth, put it on the map will also make sence. Using the amasone river for trading route, also nice idea, but it need a better explanition in the legend.

I dont personaly think you need more gamaplay added, its fine as it is, many like to play simple maps. So that is cool.

Keep it up ;)
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Re: Inca Empire 20-1-2012

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:35 pm

Flapcake wrote:I realy like your grapich style, please keep it.

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I dont personaly think you need more gamaplay added, its fine as it is, many like to play simple maps. So that is cool.

Keep it up ;)

Agree with these items!


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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012

Postby sannemanrobinson on Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:58 pm

Okay I really like to do this. Here is a bit more worked out version with:
- mountains are in a top view, Pot Mosby is an example: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=241&t=155147.
- stripes are replaced by mix of both colours.
- temples are now different for each secret place, still searching for Hatun Canar/Ingapirca and Chan Chan inspiration.
- legend is adjusted for each combination.

Taking the amazon river in the game play could be an option. There is a trade route going next to it already. May as a way to travel faster from Cuzco to Chuciyapu and Huanuco Bamba.

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or white borders:
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Rotating 15 degrees is an option to save 100 pixels in height or increase resolution :). Coming week I will not have time, but will be continued...
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012 White borders?

Postby Flapcake on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:45 am

You need to name the regions for the XML code :!:
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012 White borders?

Postby The Bison King on Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:41 am

This is starting to look a lot better!
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012 White borders?

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:50 pm

there are 9 yellow regions and 8 in others colours, if I good count. I do not know if this was your goal, but maybe Pachacamac and Inkawasi could be unite to one rgion.

for the borders, the white ones looks much better.

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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1 White borders?

Postby Gillipig on Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:12 am

I like this! Just make sure you put in more colourful symbols around the map.
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012 White borders?

Postby sannemanrobinson on Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:44 pm

Flapcake wrote:You need to name the regions for the XML code :!:


All territories have a name, some are written next to it on the sea.

If you mean the bonus names, the name of the sacred place that is enabling the bonus could be used (Machu Pichhu, Tiwanaku, etc.).

For trails the begin and endpoint can be mentioned (Cuzco-Tupiza).
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1-2012 White borders?

Postby sannemanrobinson on Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:50 pm

Oneyed wrote:there are 9 yellow regions and 8 in others colours, if I good count. I do not know if this was your goal, but maybe Pachacamac and Inkawasi could be unite to one rgion.

Red and yellow both have more regions. These are more central on the map and more difficult to defend. To make them more attractive I decided to give them more potential to grow. This gives them an advantage later in the game.

It seems like it is not totally clear that some colours overlap. Maybe I will take that out for now and assign a single colour to each territory.
Oneyed wrote:for the borders, the white ones looks much better.

I think so too that the mountains look less cluttered end even snowy. Making the lines thinner, dashed or otherwise more embedded in the background will be the challenge.
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Re: Inca Empire [V4 p2] 25-1 White borders?

Postby sannemanrobinson on Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:58 pm

Gillipig wrote:I like this! Just make sure you put in more colourful symbols around the map.

I will. The Inca flag, stone ruins, motifs from pottery and some people are in planning.
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Re: Inca Empire [12-02] V5

Postby sannemanrobinson on Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:13 pm

A lot of changes:
- Temples are all close to Cusco
- Cusco is no longer a bonus area but can bombard all other lands
- new trails

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