World 3.0 (The Grandfather of all Maps)

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:18 pm

Since the classic map has been taken down (and replaced with some shapes), we need a new showcase map, one that can represent this site. One that can still represent the geographical style and basic gameplay of the original Risk style map. No gimmicks. Thats what draws people to this site. We need a map that lack can plaster on ad's or the homepage, and is badass. One that will make those folks at cartographersguild.com envy us.

Plus - we need a map with LOTS & LOTS of Territories. So many maps are coming out with 36 territs or 48 territs. That's cool. But I think the masses are craving some more Battle Royale maps. Games with so many possibilities. Epic games.

Sure the World 2.0 map is a great map, and was the 2nd most popular after the classic map. But it's just so plain and boring (no offense zim).

I'm willing to do this... BUT... my problem is the size restrictions. I'll make this map. However, i'll only make the Large map. It's the only way to accomplish what I want to do. Call-out boxes have been suggested (similar to the Iraq map). It's an option, but will cause the map to not have the look I want.

Here is a skeleton I just created to show my thoughts.
So those are my thoughts - what are yours? Mr. Lack..

Will you agree to this LARGE MAP ONLY? I will work for free.

Click image to enlarge.

by **Riazor** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:28 pm

I love the look of it, and hope you get a green light. I'll surely support this

by **InkL0sed** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:35 pm

Interesting idea...

I hope they let you go through with the large map only idea. Somehow I doubt they will.

by **ZeakCytho** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:38 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Interesting idea...

I hope they let you go through with the large map only idea. Somehow I doubt they will.

My thoughts exactly. It'd be great if you could do this, but I don't really see it happening

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:40 pm

I feel like mibi, or qwert.. trying to bend the rules.

by **InkL0sed** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:41 pm

Do you mind my asking how long it took to make that draft? And how do you do the outlines of the continents?

by **AAFitz** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:43 pm

great idea....but world 2.1 is an absolutely awesome map...
it is the exact no frills, boring look and play of it that makes it so

no tricks...just pure strategy, and though luck is involved...far more games can actually be decided by strategy
i look forward to what you have planned anxiously... good luck

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:57 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Do you mind my asking how long it took to make that draft? And how do you do the outlines of the continents?

about 2 hours i guess.
The borders are all just 1 px brush hand drawn with my mouse.
I colored in all the land. Then selected it, expanded by 4px and filled on a new layer. Took the layer opacity to 0, and added a 1px stroke, and reduced the stroke to about 40%. Then I did the same thing, and reduced that opacity to about 20%. Thats it.

by **hecter** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:03 pm

Looks a helluva lot like World 2.0 to me...

by **Rocketry** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:04 pm

fantastic idea, thanks for taking the time.

Rocket.

by **InkL0sed** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:05 pm

RjBeals wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Do you mind my asking how long it took to make that draft? And how do you do the outlines of the continents?

about 2 hours i guess.
The borders are all just 1 px brush hand drawn with my mouse.
I colored in all the land. Then selected it, expanded by 4px and filled on a new layer. Took the layer opacity to 0, and added a 1px stroke, and reduced the stroke to about 40%. Then I did the same thing, and reduced that opacity to about 20%. Thats it.

Awesome. How do you expand it without losing the centering?

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:27 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
RjBeals wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Do you mind my asking how long it took to make that draft? And how do you do the outlines of the continents?

about 2 hours i guess.
The borders are all just 1 px brush hand drawn with my mouse.
I colored in all the land. Then selected it, expanded by 4px and filled on a new layer. Took the layer opacity to 0, and added a 1px stroke, and reduced the stroke to about 40%. Then I did the same thing, and reduced that opacity to about 20%. Thats it.

Awesome. How do you expand it without losing the centering?

See if this explains a little better:

http://www.rjbeals.com/files/world_map_gif-tutorial.gif

Edit:
And I went to this page: http://webdesignledger.com/freebies/29- ... ks-of-2008
to get a good grunge texture to very lightly overlay.

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:29 pm

hecter wrote:Looks a helluva lot like World 2.0 to me...

Thanks hecter. I guess it does. But my goal is not an abstract version of the world map. Just a prettier one, with more territs, that's easy to identify borders. Don't worry - I have very little hopes for this.

by **pepperonibread** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:18 pm

Mercator map projections are always visually pleasing, though if you need space changing to an equal-area map could work better.

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:20 pm

pepperonibread wrote:Mercator map projections are always visually pleasing, though if you need space changing to an equal-area map could work better.

I don't follow that pep? You mean do not keep the aspects of the land as they really are?

by **hecter** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:26 pm

RjBeals wrote:
hecter wrote:Looks a helluva lot like World 2.0 to me...

Thanks hecter. I guess it does. But my goal is not an abstract version of the world map. Just a prettier one, with more territs, that's easy to identify borders. Don't worry - I have very little hopes for this.

Are you looking for something, in the territory range, in between Classic and World 2.0? Or more than 2.0?

by **RjBeals** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:09 pm

more.

by **edbeard** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:42 pm

excellent idea. please finish Brazil first. pretty please. with a cherry on top even.

don't ask for NO small map. ask for a world 2.1 sized map. 700x610 small and 900x784 large

by **hecter** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:30 pm

RjBeals wrote:more.

I don't see how you're going to be able to accomplish that... World 2.0 has pretty much maxed it out in terms of how many territories you can have for a map of the world, and you've got that inch of deadspace at the bottom of the map... I just can't see it.

by **wcaclimbing** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:33 pm

hecter wrote:
RjBeals wrote:more.

I don't see how you're going to be able to accomplish that... World 2.0 has pretty much maxed it out in terms of how many territories you can have for a map of the world, and you've got that inch of deadspace at the bottom of the map... I just can't see it.

Yeah... I don't really see how you could pack many more territories in.

the S America you have has 12 territories.
The one on W2.1 has 14 territories. You're already a few behind w2.1

by **sailorseal** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:38 pm

RjBeals wrote:Since the classic map has been taken down (and replaced with some shapes), we need a new showcase map, one that can represent this site. One that can still represent the geographical style and basic gameplay of the original Risk style map. No gimmicks. Thats what draws people to this site. We need a map that lack can plaster on ad's or the homepage, and is badass. One that will make those folks at cartographersguild.com envy us.

Plus - we need a map with LOTS & LOTS of Territories. So many maps are coming out with 36 territs or 48 territs. That's cool. But I think the masses are craving some more Battle Royale maps. Games with so many possibilities. Epic games.

Sure the World 2.0 map is a great map, and was the 2nd most popular after the classic map. But it's just so plain and boring (no offense zim).

I'm willing to do this... BUT... my problem is the size restrictions. I'll make this map. However, i'll only make the Large map. It's the only way to accomplish what I want to do. Call-out boxes have been suggested (similar to the Iraq map). It's an option, but will cause the map to not have the look I want.

Here is a skeleton I just created to show my thoughts.
So those are my thoughts - what are yours? Mr. Lack.. Will you agree to this LARGE MAP ONLY? I will work for free.

I whole heartily agree with everything this person has said...

by **InkL0sed** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:06 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
hecter wrote:
RjBeals wrote:more.

I don't see how you're going to be able to accomplish that... World 2.0 has pretty much maxed it out in terms of how many territories you can have for a map of the world, and you've got that inch of deadspace at the bottom of the map... I just can't see it.

Yeah... I don't really see how you could pack many more territories in.

the S America you have has 12 territories.
The one on W2.1 has 14 territories. You're already a few behind w2.1

Look at his draft. I already see space for more territories. It can be done!

by **The Neon Peon** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:10 pm

Don't underestimate RjBeals... if he says he can do it, he can. I am for this map.

by **oaktown** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:14 pm

how big are you talking here?

And one thing that bugs me about World maps is the space devoted to the polar regions... any thought given to using a different map projection?
edit: I see that there has been. :oops:

by **BaldAdonis** on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:19 pm

RjBeals wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:Mercator map projections are always visually pleasing, though if you need space changing to an equal-area map could work better.

You mean do not keep the aspects of the land as they really are?

There are always nice compromises, like the Robinson projection. Those would give you more room to place territories as well.