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MrBenn wrote:This map is getting closer and closer to becoming a working draft - let's get you into the drafting room now
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sam_levi_11 wrote:its far too similar to iberia
Industrial Helix wrote:Nice start on the map, it's got a nice artistic touch that isnt overdone on CC. I really hope this thing develops and becomes playable.
1) The terr. alottment does look very similar to Iberia, I'm not sure that you're going to be able to keep it that way. I'm assuming this map, as well as Iberia, took their designs from however the Spanish gov't does it so it might be difficult. Perhaps change the bonus structure around a tad? Maybe group some terrs together. Not sure.
2) I believe the Balearic's are part of Spain, they don't look colored in.
That's all I've got for now, get some names and troop circles in there. I look forward to the continuation of this map.
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
Industrial Helix wrote:Nice start on the map, it's got a nice artistic touch that isnt overdone on CC. I really hope this thing develops and becomes playable.
1) The terr. alottment does look very similar to Iberia, I'm not sure that you're going to be able to keep it that way. I'm assuming this map, as well as Iberia, took their designs from however the Spanish gov't does it so it might be difficult. Perhaps change the bonus structure around a tad? Maybe group some terrs together. Not sure.
2) I believe the Balearic's are part of Spain, they don't look colored in.
That's all I've got for now, get some names and troop circles in there. I look forward to the continuation of this map.
MrBenn wrote:This map is getting closer and closer to becoming a working draft - let's get you into the drafting room now
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sam_levi_11 wrote:I have to say it s a beautiful map so far, with a problem, its far too similar to iberia. I think however that this is preferable to that map based on what i can i see because it looks great, I just think it needs to look more mediteranian, more like spain really.
more like Spain really.
Industrial Helix wrote:Hmm. I like the idea of an extra bonus for holding Mercia plus a surrounding bonus area. I think you should play with this concept and maybe use it on a few more areas of the map. Might help get around common gameplay with Iberia.
As for making the ports and cities part of the regional bonus, I'm less confident on. My reasoning is that in occupying a territory you're getting a bonus b/c you receive the resources of that area. But since cities are involved, often in wars a region is occupied but the city is not, therefore diversifying the bonus/resources. Just a thought.
As far as bonuses go, there's a few spreadsheets here that can give you a reasonable idea of what would be appropriate. I based all my bonuses off what that told me and people chipped in their opinions when they thought something was too big or small.
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Danyael wrote:Note to merker
when you add the new update to the op edit subject to contain page of my update is on
i.e Espana V3 pg 1 & 5
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
Industrial Helix wrote:As for making the ports and cities part of the regional bonus, I'm less confident on. My reasoning is that in occupying a territory you're getting a bonus b/c you receive the resources of that area. But since cities are involved, often in wars a region is occupied but the city is not, therefore diversifying the bonus/resources. Just a thought.
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
Dr.Winnerman wrote:The boarders look terrible, just saying
thenobodies80 wrote:Some quick suggestions:
Place the circles on land not on water.
Definitely...
Asturias/cantabria/pais vasco/navarra/ La rioja. I read that three of them give +2 with a sorrounding bonus...i don't know if this is a good choice.... Why not set them like a zone?
I suggested this too.Danyael must of been just playing around with the GP.
Title font is nice, but could be funny do it with spain flag colors
Agreed.
Legend is not easy to read. And the grey color isn't so nice
Just a mock-up mate
Impassable borders aren't so nice but i read you have to modify them...
I couldn't agree with you more
Why you add impassable on neutral zones borders (france and portugal) ?
There are mountains there but I prefer the continent look.
The link mallorca-canaries could be done with a symbol instead a line...(same for A coruna-canaries)
I suggested aswell.
Some zone colors are similar(example: galicia-cataluna)
Mmmmmm...
Madrid starts neutral...how many neutral troops?
I'd say 5 myself.
Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
Madrid's more important damnet .
The map is very full in the lower part and a spanish contextualization is missed
On the whole the map is improving...pay attention not to make it too similar to the iberia map
Good work!
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
Merker wrote:thenobodies80 wrote:Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
Madrid's more important damnet .
thenobodies80 wrote:Some quick suggestions:
Place the circles on land not on water.
Asturias/cantabria/pais vasco/navarra/ La rioja. I read that three of them give +2 with a sorrounding bonus...i don't know if this is a good choice.... Why not set them like a zone?
Title font is nice, but could be funny do it with spain flag colors
Legend is not easy to read. And the grey color isn't so nice
Impassable borders aren't so nice but i read you have to modify them...
Why you add impassable on neutral zones borders (france and portugal) ?
The link mallorca-canaries could be done with a symbol instead a line...(same for A coruna-canaries)
Some zone colors are similar(example: galicia-cataluna)
Madrid starts neutral...how many neutral troops?
Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
The map is very full in the lower part and a spanish contextualization is missed
On the whole the map is improving...pay attention not to make it too similar to the iberia map
Good work!
Merker wrote:Ok, well I may cover some things that are in your 'To-do' list, but never the less;
- Army circles are nice, territory titles, cool, just it's the continent name... Don't like the squishing or the font.
- Break up the Belearics and the Canary Islands in my opinion.
- With the northern bonus, I was simply thinking "Nort de Espana". I realise with the current one it employs unique gameplay, but, it seems silly to employ it with a functional continent, not with the single territory continent, Murcia. >Helix
- I think port icons TBH
- Finally, with Madrid, I was thinking a less generous option, maybe 1+ bonus/autodeploy.
But definitely goodwork, I'm very happy with your work
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
thenobodies80 wrote:Merker wrote:thenobodies80 wrote:Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
Madrid's more important damnet .
Not same value, the +1 is good.
I'm saying to set it as starting neutral without the surrounding bonus options.
mattosaurus wrote:I have to agree on the fact that the impassable lines need a spruce up.
'REALLLLY?!?!?'...Nah, I agree.
The font in the purple inset box is to short and fat. Maybe make columns of the text for the shorter entries, and a different font.
Under construction
Also, you might consider removing portugal and france from the map. You would have more space and you wouldn't need to invent a coutry border graphic.
The country border graphic is quite nice, we have allready made it.
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
Merker wrote:Thanks TNBS80.
We'd really like more discussion, I think we got more when we were in the ideas and suggestions forum.
TaCktiX wrote:Procrastination stinks. Anyways, let's have at this map.
Graphics
- I saw the artistic rendering of Spain before the continents and regions got added. It looked outright AWESOME. Right now that awesome is obscured by other colors that make it look like an optical illusion is being housed underneath the map as a gag. Go with a completely different way of denoting the bonus regions, as the full color overlay is detracting from what I think is the biggest lure for this map. Maybe army circles the color of the region, or an outlining in the color, but definitely bring out the art beneath.
- The constant waviness on naming the bonus regions, no. It makes it look like the entire map has been strung up on a flagpole and let fly. How am I supposed to put down my infantry piece when the entire thing could go flying everywhere? If possible, straighten them back out. The use of a different font is a good plus though, keep that to distinguish between regions and territories. (I am violating so many different CC rule conventions, I hope this is making sense)
- The impassables don't fit. Make them work more with the territory lines if they're purely artificial. Take a look at RjBeals' impassables from Brazil for some direction on that. If they AREN'T artificial (actual physical features between regions), spice it up with mountains and rivers.
- Come up with a new line to connect the Canaries with A Coruna. Think dotted line and/or a thicker less wavy one. The current one looks obviously drawn in haste. Also figure a better way to communicate that Mallorca connects to the Canaries, I missed it on first pass.
- I know we're NOT trying to feature Portugal (see: Iberia), but could we at least note what it is on the map?
- Whatever the black border on the coasts is, it's imperfect, as there's a smidge of Portugal that pokes out from under.
- The title looks lackluster, and the font reminds me of the Old West and not the Spanish Armada. A different choice and a more distinctive, set-apart title would do better.
- I don't think the impassables are necessary for delimiting Portugal and France from the map. The map is called Espana (make sure to get the tilde above the n), I doubt there will be confusion if people can't attack Southern France or Western Portugal.
Gameplay
- The legend needs work. A lot of it. Right now it's disorganized, and overall hard to read. Instead of alphabetical order, look into physical placement of continent order.
- The dark blue build-your-own bonus I don't think is necessary. Make it its own continent, as the current rules are confusing and unnecessary. You can name it in the sea, people will understand.
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...
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