First Nations of North America [Quenched]

[Bruceswar]

The debate is on the 1 bonus near Washington. I say leave it. Looks good and works nicely.

[the.killing.44]

Just played 5 1v1s, and not a single one of them had someone drop with the +1.

[wcaclimbing]

I haven't posted much in the foundry recently, but I wanted to say that I really like the graphics on this map.
Nice work!

[Peter Gibbons]

Just played 5 1v1s, and not a single one of them had someone drop with the +1.

Interesting, I've played two games... one 4-player and one 5-player. Both games the +1 Plateau was dropped as well as one of the +2s. Perhaps just luck of the draw, but I'd at least consider coding a few spots for multiplayer games.

EDIT: to be clear, I'm not advocating anything gets coded as a neutral. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the way things work, but is it possible to code certain territories to make sure the same person doesn't get both (or all 3 or 4)?

[the.killing.44]

Just played 5 1v1s, and not a single one of them had someone drop with the +1.

Interesting, I've played two games... one 4-player and one 5-player. Both games the +1 Plateau was dropped as well as one of the +2s. Perhaps just luck of the draw, but I'd at least consider coding a few spots for multiplayer games.

Funny, I've played 9 1v1s now, and it's only on the 9th that someone finally got the +1.

However, +2's and +3's have been dropped in most.

[paulycash]

awesome map ive been waiting for this one !!! and know with manual troop placement it should be good next it would be nice too see the old far east yeaaa!!!

[ender516]

I'm really enjoying this map, but I have a couple of spelling nitpicks: on the map, SubArtic should be SubArctic, and in the XML, Artic and SubArtic should be Arctic and SubArctic, respectively.

[Tisha]

I'm really enjoying this map, but I have a couple of spelling nitpicks: on the map, SubArtic should be SubArctic, and in the XML, Artic and SubArtic should be Arctic and SubArctic, respectively.

how embarrassing..


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[Foxglove]

This is fantastic, Tisha.

[ahunda]

I just started my first game on this map, and it could easily become one of my favourites. Very nice graphics, and the many small bonuses should make for very good team games.

I however think, that 72 terrs is a real bad choice. It means 12 starting terrs in Trips & 18 in Dubs. Key word: 1st turn advantage.

As I said, the map could be real great for team games, but if it stays like that, I´ll probably have to stick to Quads.

[demonfork]

Love the map, already In my top 5 favorites....only problem, change the "I Love Owen" to "I Love demon" and It will be perfect.

[ender516]

I just started my first game on this map, and it could easily become one of my favourites. Very nice graphics, and the many small bonuses should make for very good team games.

I however think, that 72 terrs is a real bad choice. It means 12 starting terrs in Trips & 18 in Dubs. Key word: 1st turn advantage.

As I said, the map could be real great for team games, but if it stays like that, I´ll probably have to stick to Quads.

Yes, I got the short end of the stick in a 1v1 game, and hit someone else with it in another. Maybe if one of the regions in the Plateau bonus were a starting neutral, it would both prevent the bonus on the drop and avoid the steal-the-other-guy's-bonus-in-the-first-turn problem.

[Tisha]

and what number do you guys think would be better than 72?

I don't think taking someone down 1 man before their first turn makes such a difference on a larger map... and yes, I have played triples and doubles and quads on it..

[ender516]

Don't change the map (it's beautiful) or the number of territories, but make Nimiipuu a starting neutral.

With 72 territories, when you split them for 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 players, you get a multiple of 3 (24 for 3 or 2 plus the "neutral player", 18 for 4, 12 for 6, 9 for . Lose a territory before your first turn and you come up one short in your first bonus. With 5 or 7 players, it's not a problem (14 each for 5, 10 each for 7).

But take away that one territory by making it start neutral, and now you are dividing 71. That means 13 each for 2 or 3 players, 17 each for 4, 11 for 6, and 8 for 8. Nobody is on that knife edge of a multiple of three, so nobody can whine about it. Of course, we can all find something else to whine about, but that will take time and effort. For 5 or 7 players, nothing really changes.

In addition, since Nimiipuu has so many neighbours, it is not as likely that whoever gets Salish in the drop will be able to grab that bonus and hold it right away.

[iancanton]

Just played 5 1v1s, and not a single one of them had someone drop with the +1.

Interesting, I've played two games... one 4-player and one 5-player. Both games the +1 Plateau was dropped as well as one of the +2s. Perhaps just luck of the draw, but I'd at least consider coding a few spots for multiplayer games.

Funny, I've played 9 1v1s now, and it's only on the 9th that someone finally got the +1.

However, +2's and +3's have been dropped in most.

I however think, that 72 terrs is a real bad choice. It means 12 starting terrs in Trips & 18 in Dubs. Key word: 1st turn advantage.

As I said, the map could be real great for team games, but if it stays like that, I´ll probably have to stick to Quads.

and what number do you guys think would be better than 72?

I don't think taking someone down 1 man before their first turn makes such a difference on a larger map... and yes, I have played triples and doubles and quads on it..

Don't change the map (it's beautiful) or the number of territories, but make Nimiipuu a starting neutral.

on a larger map, 1 extra troop on its own doesn't make a great difference. however, we're talking here about 1 extra troop plus a good chance of zone bonuses on top.

the nimiipuu starting neutral works for me. u can reduce the number of resultant random neutrals by making tunimiut and taino start neutral too, so that no-one starts with greenland or circum-caribbean. the total number of random-starting regions will then be 69, meaning that 1v1 games start with 23 regions each, 2v2 with 17 each and 3v3 with 11 each.

ian.

[Tisha]

a three territory bonuses really needs to start neutral in a 72 territory map? come on guys...
Greenland is three territories with only a +1

[khazalid]

it plays perfectly and it looks great. well done tish!

[Shatners Bassoon]

it plays perfectly and it looks great. well done tish!

here here

[fab-virgil]

Congrats! I'm on my second game on this map and enjoying it. Got stuffed first time out in a team game, doing better on my own this time out.

I like this one!!!

Fab-V

[Seulessliathan]

I just started my first game on this map, and it could easily become one of my favourites. Very nice graphics, and the many small bonuses should make for very good team games.

I however think, that 72 terrs is a real bad choice. It means 12 starting terrs in Trips & 18 in Dubs. Key word: 1st turn advantage.

As I said, the map could be real great for team games, but if it stays like that, I´ll probably have to stick to Quads.

i totally agree with that.

great map, having 71 start ter would make it perfect for all team games, reducing start advantage

[Ace Rimmer]

I just started my first game on this map, and it could easily become one of my favourites. Very nice graphics, and the many small bonuses should make for very good team games.

I however think, that 72 terrs is a real bad choice. It means 12 starting terrs in Trips & 18 in Dubs. Key word: 1st turn advantage.

As I said, the map could be real great for team games, but if it stays like that, I´ll probably have to stick to Quads.

i totally agree with that.

great map, having 71 start ter would make it perfect for all team games, reducing start advantage

I agree with this. It's a beautiful map and plays well, but having that 12/18 terit count at the start really does give a starting advantage. However, I do NOT think that there should be any coded neutrals. I started with the Plateau bonus in an 8p dubs and it immediately put the focus on our team. I do not think that needs to be made a standard neutral territory. A coded neutral would also make it easier to hold the Northwest or Great Basin bonus (thanks James V for that observation).

With as many small bonuses as this board has, people are sometimes going to drop bonuses in 1v1. I don't think that we need to ruin the game for other game types to change that.

Jake

[slowreactor]

Did I miss something? I don't remember Innu connecting to Nunaseak...

[the.killing.44]

Did I miss something? I don't remember Innu connecting to Nunaseak...

Not many do, so it's a nice "where did you come from?" spot.

[Tisha]

Did I miss something? I don't remember Innu connecting to Nunaseak...

Not many do, so it's a nice "where did you come from?" spot.

it's not obvious?

[the.killing.44]

Did I miss something? I don't remember Innu connecting to Nunaseak...

Not many do, so it's a nice "where did you come from?" spot.

it's not obvious?

Not at first glance. Don't change it.