Dark Continent (Colonial Africa) [Quenched]

[ender516]

Okay, here it is, the moment we have all been waiting for -- the revised XML:

Colonial_Africa_2.3.xml

and some test images, large and small, with 88s for centering:

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The only change I recommend for the graphics is adopting the more common spelling of Djibouti (with the "o"). (That's the way I went ahead and spelled it in the XML. )

I intended to put the rest of this in one big spoiler, but that seems to surpass some limit, so I have divided it into these spoilers which describe all the changes since the last posted version (1.19, last August!)

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

show: Territory name changes and minor spelling changes

show: Territories deleted

show: Territories added

show: Border changes

show: Continent updates

show: Neutrals and starting positions

show: Autodeploys

[The Bison King]

Awesome the test results look great! however it looks like you used an old version of the small here's an up to date coordinate test:

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The only things I might suggest are moving Yaounde a hair to the left and Benguela a hair to the right.

[AndyDufresne]

I have a question, which may have been answered earlier. In the legend area regarding the imperial powers, regarding the -2, -3, -4, -5, are those dashes working like bullet points, or are they minus signs?

Great looking map.


--Andy

[Victor Sullivan]

Minus signs. The idea behind them was to inhibit one who tries to take a bunch of European powers from the get-go, I believe.

-Sully

[AndyDufresne]

Minus signs. The idea behind them was to inhibit one who tries to take a bunch of European powers from the get-go, I believe.

-Sully

Gotcha, makes sense from a gameplay stand point, but wasn't sure about symbol representation. Bison, you could always add (minus) above the left number list in small-ish wording, but it may not be needed.


--Andy

[RedBaron0]

The sea routes overlapping with the territory labels on canaries & morocco makes the labels a bit messy. Maybe you could cut the sea routes under the labels...

Don't forget this either.

[The Bison King]

Then I shant!

-sea lines
-(-minus)
-Djibouti

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[natty dread]

Nice!

[ender516]

Moved Benguela and Yaoundé as requested. New XML and test images in spoiler below.

The word "minus" as shown is better than nothing, but it doesn't read well to me, imagining that I am seeing this for the first time. It begs the question, "minus what?" I think it would be better if it appeared on each line, like:

minus 2 for 3
minus 3 for 5
minus 4 for 7
minus 5 for 8

I'm afraid you don't have room, though.

An alternative you do have room for would be the word "Penalties", like this:

Penalties
-2 for 3
-3 for 5
-4 for 7
-5 for 8

Also, since the landing territories and the European powers use white text for their labels, and "Landing territories" in the legend is white, should the words "European power" in the legend also be white? This might forestall questions and complaints about Austria-Hungary and Balkan not being able to assault the landing territories.

show: New XML and test images

[The Bison King]

New Update:

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An alternative you do have room for would be the word "Penalties", like this:

Penalties
-2 for 3
-3 for 5
-4 for 7
-5 for 8

Yeah that works

Also, since the landing territories and the European powers use white text for their labels, and "Landing territories" in the legend is white, should the words "European power" in the legend also be white? This might forestall questions and complaints about Austria-Hungary and Balkan not being able to assault the landing territories.

No since the actual territories themselves are depicted with the white font. Also there haven't been any complaints or confusion about whether or not Austria-Hungary or Balkan can attack landing territories. They don't have flags, and the European powers are clearly depicted and labled in the mini-map. I think it's as clear as clear can be.

[ender516]

I just noticed that the legend still says "(Bonus with corresponding Colonial power)". That should say "European" to be consistent.

[The Bison King]

I just noticed that the legend still says "(Bonus with corresponding Colonial power)". That should say "European" to be consistent.

Nah that was something we worked out a while ago. We decided "Colonial" was better there since Turkey isn't by definition a European country

[natty dread]

Turkey isn't by definition a European country

Then why is it trying to join EU

[The Bison King]

Turkey isn't by definition a European country

Then why is it trying to join EU

That's nobodies business but the Turks.

[ender516]

I just noticed that the legend still says "(Bonus with corresponding Colonial power)". That should say "European" to be consistent.

Nah that was something we worked out a while ago. We decided "Colonial" was better there since Turkey isn't by definition a European country

Well, the Ottoman Empire was referred to as the "sick man of Europe" and the map of Ottoman could include not only Anatolia but also East Thrace (carve it out of Balkan, and even let it touch Austria-Hungary, if you want to drop the Black Sea route). But if you don't want to change the map that way, then it should say "Colonial power" everywhere else, e.g., "Can be 1 way assaulted by any Colonial power..."

[RedBaron0]

Stick with "European" The title in the legend minimap says "EUROPE." Start fiddling around with the technicality that the Ottoman Empire was mainly a Middle Eastern empire with a sizable portion on Europe under its control and it's gonna just screw with the theme...

Just make it be consistent. all "European" (as I and other suggest) or all "colonial"

[The Bison King]

Stick with "European" The title in the legend minimap says "EUROPE." Start fiddling around with the technicality that the Ottoman Empire was mainly a Middle Eastern empire with a sizable portion on Europe under its control and it's gonna just screw with the theme...

Just make it be consistent. all "European" (as I and other suggest) or all "colonial"

that works for me. I've never had a problem including Turkey under the title European power. It was someone else's idea to change it but I'll happily change it back if that's preferred.

[isaiah40]

Well this map is about the Colonial powers in Africa so I say use "Colonial".

[The Bison King]

Oh god, conflicting viewpoints!

I'm going to go to work and when I get back I'm changing it to one or the other. So if you like Colonial power type "Colonial" if you like power "European". I'll go with which ever has the most and move on.

[tkr4lf]

Colonial sounds better to me.

[RedBaron0]

European.

And speaking of which, the minimap having Turkey floating ambiguously off to the one side is a lil odd. I suggest added the rest of the outline of Europe and connect it to the minimap.

[The Bison King]

Well this got me no where...

the minimap having Turkey floating ambiguously off to the one side is a lil odd. I suggest added the rest of the outline of Europe and connect it to the minimap.

I tried it earlier and got rid of it cause I didn't like it.

[ender516]

Maybe you should wait another day for more input. I was busy all day and others might be too. (I prefer "European", because it ties to the "Europe" banner better.)

[The Bison King]

Also I met a Turkish man today, he seemed to count Turkey as part of "Eastern Europe"

[AndyDufresne]

Also I met a Turkish man today, he seemed to count Turkey as part of "Eastern Europe"

It is now [read: since Ataturk probably] sometimes included (Wikipedia) though historically it doesn't have much in common with Eastern Europe.


--Andy