The Messiah is Coming!

[Scorba]

Hi all

Please can you do me a favour and copy and paste the paragraph below onto every forum you frequent, and ask everyone else there to do the same. Cheers.

Lay low and tremble, O Demons of Hell, for the Messiah walks through the Shadow of the Valley of Death and he fears no evil. Rejoice, O Peoples of the Earth, for the days of the Messiah are almost upon us! The Messiah draws his plans and marshalls his forces, and he shall announce himself to the world in the Year Of Our Lord Two Thousand and Fourteen. Satan, O Lucifer, O Demon King Of Hell, O FilthSpawn, O ScumFather, know that your days upon the Earth are truly numbered, for the Messiah shall banish and exorcize your vile essence from the very souls and spirits of the human race. Rejoice, Humanity, rejoice, for the divine and blessed Lord God Himself sends forth His chosen champion and offers salvation to all those who seek it. Glorious salvation! Glorious salvation! The Messiah is coming! The Messiah is coming! Two Thousand and Fourteen! The Year of the Messiah! The Year of the Messiah!

[Phatscotty]

Did you zombify your avatar at The Walking Dead website? Or is that a handsome MK Baraka?

[2dimes]

I think that's an old Spider-Man villain. Possibly even named Scorba.

[Scorba]

No, that is a photo of myself. I am a demon of Hell who the Messiah took pity on and redeemed with his glorious soul essence, and thus I became his loyal servant and spokes person. I was planning on spending next year soul raping children and torturing small animals, but my plans have now changed and I am going to spend it singing Holy hymns, raising money for charitable organisations and serving the Lord God in any way He demands instead. Funny old life, innit? You never know what the f*ck is going to happen next.

[BigBallinStalin]

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Scorba 5 minutes from now:

[Scorba]

No, the Joker is merely a crude copy of myself. I haunted the nightmares of the Joker's creator from early childhood, and he drew what he thought was the exact likeness of myself. The truth is he was a deluded prick, and he could never accurately capture my dark majesty in a million years of his spastic blunted crayon scribbling.

[universalchiro]

Interesting thread. I do affirm the Messiah is coming soon & that we will know we are very close by the fulfilled signs, which have already started, but what gives you the indication that the year is 2014? You didn't say the day or the hour, which is a good thing for Matthew 24 declares that no one knows them.

Another very important point, very glad to hear of your new found love for God & that you have been redeemed from the man you once were. That is awesome!

[_sabotage_]

Thanks for the good news.

Meanwhile, I am trying to design a home for him. For it is written, And Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

[BigBallinStalin]

Thanks for the good news.

Meanwhile, I am trying to design a home for him. For it is written, And Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

I heard pillows are pretty useful for that sort of thing.

[_sabotage_]

Sure, and there are many ways to make pillows without resorting to a monetary system which gives us a false master. Should not the son of man have the opportunity to live in comfort without obeying a false master?

[BigBallinStalin]

It depends. If one believes that the state can better provide such opportunities for whoever is deemed worthy, then obeying a false master, ye shall.

[_sabotage_]

Whoever is deemed worthy? I see. We are in inherently unequal, then?

My adoptive mother, who is my biological grandma's sister, is worthy of comfort because her work disenfranchises millions and upholds the elite? She was once described by one of her bosses as, "the coldest fish I have met in a while," and this guy had a team of lawyers working for him and another team of lawyers working against him. But she is deemed worthy, at least until she is no longer deemed worthy.

Much of sin is derived from the concept of inequality. "My fathers house is a house of prayer and you have turned it into a den for vipers".

My houses will stand for a thousand years, take care of the occupants and allow them to praise God rather than be slaves to "whoever the state deems worthy."

Our technology is unequal to God's. But we may learn from him and attempt to achieve a semblance of perfection. But in order to do this, our work must be done with our fellow man at the heart of our work, not profit.

We must increase the independence of our fellow man in order to achieve a place in which we can all praise God. If we work towards our individual wealth, we are working towards inequality.

We can take care of our needs and provide the ability for others to do the same. Is this not worth your efforts?

You may adhere to economics, a house built by and for the elites, but that doesn't prevent that house you helped build from crushing you. I will work for the equality of all and hope that the messiah finds my house available to the least among us, while being fit for the greatest. In your success, you are a servant, and in mine I am a servant, but to a different master. i wish you luck.

[NoSurvivors]

Interesting thread. I do affirm the Messiah is coming soon & that we will know we are very close by the fulfilled signs, which have already started, but what gives you the indication that the year is 2014? You didn't say the day or the hour, which is a good thing for Matthew 24 declares that no one knows them.

Another very important point, very glad to hear of your new found love for God & that you have been redeemed from the man you once were. That is awesome!

I am interested and I beg the question... which signs?

[BigBallinStalin]

Whoever is deemed worthy? I see. We are in inherently unequal, then?

In other words, it depends on how people view the state and its role in society--e.g. many people favor the welfare state; therefore, "obeying a false master" becomes justifiable. They're definitely willing to follow those rules if they believe the means will fulfill their goals.

Doesn't have much do with intrinsic value/(in)equality. People make value judgments when they support ideas like "group x should be transferred more of y because they need it to survive--or because they're at some arbitrary level of income."

[smegal69]

and since that won't work

[mrswdk]

No one seems bothered that OP stated an intent to rape small children.

[Gillipig]

Are you guys talking about me again? Messiah is my nickname.

[smegal69]

sorry you are not allowed that name!!!

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/08/12/jud ... baby-name/

[betiko]

Lol at smegal!

Otherwise, fascinating OP. Hard to figure what it s about. Another religious fanatic? Don t think so, he seems to answer things with too much humour. Trolling? Maybe. Funny way to do so.

[_sabotage_]

Whoever is deemed worthy? I see. We are in inherently unequal, then?

In other words, it depends on how people view the state and its role in society--e.g. many people favor the welfare state; therefore, "obeying a false master" becomes justifiable. They're definitely willing to follow those rules if they believe the means will fulfill their goals.

Doesn't have much do with intrinsic value/(in)equality. People make value judgments when they support ideas like "group x should be transferred more of y because they need it to survive--or because they're at some arbitrary level of income."

And here is where I ask you to think outside the box.

No state. If people are sheltered, nourished and clothed with much less effort than is required to uphold the state, they will do it. In order for them to have equal access to this opportunity, the ability to accomplish it must be doable by each person. Whereas we develop technology for mass production, we do not pursue for individual production. And yet, they exist. Not only do they exist in the natural world, such as a trees ability to garner resources from the land in which it sits, the air that passes by it, and water which falls on it or rolls under it; they also exist in objects in modern and ancient use. For example, a rocket stove uses natural processes to burn wood both more efficiently and more sustainably. The curve forces the combusted particles to accelerate, producing less smoke and giving off more heat. The stove takes smaller pieces and a person could produce hot water, heat and fuel for cooking by picking up fallen branches. Were this effectively designed for these purposes, then it would both be more effectively and convenient than most current designs. MIT did design a system as a charitable work for baking bread in third world countries. On the other hand, it is a natural process that produces the effect and is not proprietorial. The pieces needed to build a rocket stove, a rocket stove mass heater, or a rocket stove water heater are cheap and readily available. It has all the signs of a unprofitable venture. Yet, were it developed and just given out for free, then people could eliminate household costs. Even though it does emit carbon dioxide, it does not incur the infrastructure needs of current energy supply. While not suitable for all places, it could allow resources which are dispersed to be concentrated, bringing down the infrastructure and maintenance costs.

So some wackos like me could make your energy costs go down. And before long, it may be hoped that there were more such people. Obama describes rural dwellers as exacting a tax on urban dwellers and feels that living in the country creates a transfer of wealth. Hmmm, what policies does that suggest? To me it suggests that the state wants more control over us, or a tax to be exempt of it.

But lets not stop there. The current annual heating bill for Nova Scotians is several thousand dollars, with the result of energy poverty and house fires. With a simple built in design, I can reduce that to a days work and a cheaper heating system with no moving parts. I would be reducing set up costs, eliminating maintenance costs and eliminating fuel costs. But that is just one step. This could be duplicated in the housing material, in the construction methods, in the water supply, sewage, and food production. 3d printing will make local production available. In short, all needs could be supplied by the house itself and locally.

The key is to design it simple and step by step, so that any single person could do. The next is to design it to a wide variety of climates and environments. If I can design it so that anyone anywhere could spend 1000 hours to set up a system that then required them to spend 500 hours a year on helping the house maintain the inhabitants, then it takes us off the monetary system. The next step is to design it so that it takes 500 hours to set up and 100 hours to help it maintain the inhabitants.

In this way, people will gain equality and the state will slowly disappear. The inhabitants may use God's tools to sustain ourselves and are free to practice what their hearts truly desire.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm very familiar with anarchist theories. I'm just saying that your interpretation of Christ would opt for anarchistic societies without exception. Good luck with that rally call.

"n order for them to have equal access to this opportunity, the ability to accomplish it must be doable by each person. "

That doesn't follow, and self-sufficiency leads to poverty.

"It has all the signs of a unprofitable venture. Yet, were it developed and just given out for free, then people could eliminate household costs"

Low input prices? That doesn't mean it's unprofitable. I wonder if the rocket stove has the good chance of exploding? Either you're talking fiction, or there's government regulations which prevent its exchange. Maybe it's a patent owned by someone unwilling to sell it.. (but if it's so easy to build, then that wouldn't stop 'em). Or, it's not as cheap as you imagine. Sounds fishy.

"Yet, were it developed and just given out for free, then people could eliminate household costs"

Right. That's pretty much the intention behind Foreign Aid. It's been failing for decades, so it won't work with rocket stove heaters.

To get prosperity, you need institutions conducive to exchange and upholding contracts, which lets prices work, so that people can better coordinate with each other.


Good luck building a better stove-heater.

[universalchiro]

Interesting thread. I do affirm the Messiah is coming soon & that we will know we are very close by the fulfilled signs, which have already started, but what gives you the indication that the year is 2014? You didn't say the day or the hour, which is a good thing for Matthew 24 declares that no one knows them.

Another very important point, very glad to hear of your new found love for God & that you have been redeemed from the man you once were. That is awesome!

I am interested and I beg the question... which signs?

Israel was at one time a wealthy kingdom, with a glorious heavenly King, God. But Israel rejected God as King over them and requested a man to be king over them (1 Samuel 8:7). The Israelites continued on this wayward trend of moving away from God even though they had King David and King Solomon and several note worthy prophets warning them of coming judgments from God. Until God could not take their evil any longer and He sent the Babylonians to take captive Israel and all her wealth and sovereignty. Well that occurred about 2,500 years ago (Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, etc) and Israel had not been a sovereign kingdom ever since. Until at what seems the 11th hour of Jewish extermination during WWII, Israel is reformed as a nation in 1948.

1. Israel being a nation fulfilled one aspect of the coming Messiah in 1948 (Ezekiel 37:21). For the wording of Christ's return is surrounding the concept of Jacob's (named changed to Israel) tribulation (Jeremiah 30:7).

2. But the 1948 Israel didn't own it's original capital that King David set up when he reigned. So there was a problem, for Christ is to return and set up his kingdom on Jerusalem. Then Egypt struck Israel in 1967 to wipe Israel off the map, but Israel, outgunned and outmanned with divine help pushed back and took control of it's capital Jerusalem. Something that had not existed for 2,500 years was again established in 1967. So this added to evidence that we are near the 2nd coming. (Luke 21:24)

3. In the year 1948, a rare astronomical event occurred. A blood moon eclipse that cast a shadow over the land of Israel. The shadows from eclipses occur around the globe and it's rare to have the moon low on the horizon where the frequency of it's reflective light is slowed by the particulates of the atmosphere and slows the speed of light enough that the color red is perceived. Even rarer that this occurred with an eclipse and with a shadow over Israel. This also happened near the time of Jerusalem being captured by the Israelites in 1967-68. This fulfills the signs in the Heavens of Acts 2:19. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/wat ... lipse.html

4. Isaiah 43:6 declared that God will cause a massive influx of Jews to move into the promise land. This has been ongoing.

5. Temple will be rebuilt. This has not happened yet. And seems to be hard because there is a Muslim mosque on the site. But the Muslim Mosque was built on what was King Solomon's outer court. This seems like splitting hairs until one reads Revelation 11:2. This is regarding the rebuilding of King Solomon's temple, but God specifically instructs to not measure the outer court. Why? the outer court has been given over to the gentiles. And Muslims are gentiles. So this verse written 1,500 years before the Muslim Mosque was built, already had this problem solved. Wow God is amazing.

6. Knowledge will increase. This seems to broad to consider, but Daniel 12:4 was instructed that his vision was for a distant future when knowledge increases. Today there has been an exponential increase in knowledge as compared to the rate knowledge increased for the first 4,900 years.

7. To and fro. This also seems minor to consider, but Daniel 12:4 says that his vision was for a distant future where people go to and fro. There seems an exponential increase in people going to and fro in the last 100 years as compared to the previous 4,900 years.

8. Destructive ability. Mankind has just recently in the last 70 years discovered atomic weaponry. 1 Peter 3:10 & 12 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up... Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?....." No one has been able to understand this verse for almost 2,000 years until mankind has discovered the ability to dissolve elements with fervent heat of atomic weapons. This very well could indicate how God does this, for He used Babylon to carry out His judgment on Israel the first time, why not use the same Babylonian system to judge again.

9. Unifying of nations against Israel. Revelation 13:3
10. Unifying of world religions. Revelation 13:8.... There is little tolerance for the Bible's claim of it's right and all others wrong. The push today is everyone do your religion or no religion well and we'll all see each other in heaven.
11. Falling away from God. To me this is personified in Evolution. 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-7
12. Gospel being preached in all the world.
13. In Revelation 11 there are two witnesses for God that are killed in public and all the world sees this. 25 years ago, this wasn't probably, today, this is certainly able to be done.
14. Numerology: God spent 6 days creating for mankind, then rested. God spent 6 hours on the cross to save mankind, then rested. God's word says that there will be a 1,000 years of rest after the judgment in Revelation. Since God's word indicates that we are approaching the 6th 1,000 years of existence on earth, that means God sustained His Creation for 6,000 years then rested the 7th 1,000 years.
The Revelation seals, trumpets and bowls/plagues are also set in the same manner: 6 seals of action, the 7th seal just opens up the 7 trumpets. The 6 trumpets of action, the 7th trumpet opens up the 7 bowls/plagues. The 6 bowls/plaques of action, then the 7th bowl is the actual return of God to Jerusalem.
15. Moscow will come down against Israel. This is yet to be fulfilled literally. Figuratively it's been fulfilled with Moscow support of Muslim nations around Israel. But to me this is not enough, I think this will be fulfilled literally. Ezekiel 38:2-6 tells of God bringing Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tuba and Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops – the many nations with you.”... This is wordy, but Gog and Magog and Meshech are ancient names of Moscow and surrounding regions. Moscow is due north of Jerusalem. and Moscow is an ally of the Muslims and supports them financially, militarily and socially. So when Israel scuffles against the Muslim nations, you bet Russia will come down to save her little hens. this may be the hook that brings Moscow down.

16. Revived Roman Empire. Many secular and theologians agree this is fulfilled with the European Nations being formed. Which encompasses similar land mass as Rome.

17. Euphrates river dries up. Revelation 16:12. Turkey were the origin of the Euphrates river come from with the melting snow of the mountains, has built damns on every tributary to forms into the euphrates river. They are trying to charge a water tax to lower countries. So stopping the water is already a plausible thing.
18. When the Euphrates river dries up, a 200 million man army marches from the far east to Israel. Revelation 9 speaks of an army of 200 million marching over a dry Euphrates river from the far east. mankind couldn't fathom an army that large, until China (far east of Jerusalem) boasted such an army in 1987. So this seems to fit.

19. Israel is prospering as a nation. Isaiah 35:1-2 seems to fit this for the end times. Currently Israel has water bubbling out of the ground. The Arab nations have oil and Israel is sitting on a reservoir of water that is larger than their oil fields.


But every generation from the time of Babylonian captivity till today has been anticipating God to come and set up His kingdom and rule with a rod of iron vanquishing evil. That's why 2 Thessolonians 3:10-13 let's us know that believers in God will be persecuted for God's supposed delay of His coming. I believe that nothing additional needs to occur for the catching away of the saints to God and we are very near to God's second coming. Very exciting time to live.

[betiko]

So you re one of these guys that believes the earth is 6000 years old and thinks that quoting the bible makes a factual point about anything?
The bible is supposed to be about spirituality and metaphores, very scary to see how far the catholic integrism can go in the americas.

[_sabotage_]

BBS:

Christ is coming, like it or not, and its what he finds on his arrival which is important.

The rocket stove is sufficient as is. How it is designed into the entire house system is lacking. The Chinese emperors used to sleep on a type of rocket stove known as a kang, guess they didn't know about the exploding issue. They are actually quite commonly used in some circles, and they are produced often from the clay extracted during the removal of material for the foundation, but why not spend a hundred bucks on fire bricks to save time and energy?

Foreign Aid? For real? Come on BBS, you are not talking to a fool. If you are unfamiliar with how Foreign Aid works, I'll let you find out or not on your own, and if you are, then you have just lost some saxibucks.

One of the few hempcrete houses in the US cost $55k all in. This was in 2009, and the hemp materials were factory processed and imported. The hemp does not need to be factory processed and is currently a waste byproduct of the hemp oil industry. Once industrial hemp becomes readily available in the US, the costs will be reduced further. An acre produces enough material to build a 1200 square foot house, which requires less than 50% of the energy to heat or cool compared to current building materials. It comes in a single layer unlike the seven layers commonly found in other houses. It does not require any skill to put up, if some simple instructions are followed. It lasts for 1000 years at least, there are some much older examples still holding strong. If solar gains and summer shading are taken into account, then heating and cooling is essentially eliminated in most of the world and the rocket stove is merely a back-up and for colder regions.

Rainwater storage systems are already designed into some houses. Integrating into a fuller system could eliminate our needs of dishwashers and washing machines. Natural sewage treatment already exists. I think I mentioned mushrooms before, check them out.

Permaculture techniques exist which bring a households total work hours to ten a week during busy season. In the coming years, we will see total household systems that surpass conventional systems and have no bills attached to them. The technology already exists, and has always existed. It is merely a question of fastening it together, providing a platform to share and develop ideas and making the instructions simple enough for anyone. An acre of land and the sun are all we need. And if the Crown were gracious enough to let some of the 90% of land in their control available, it wouldn't cost you a thing.

Sorry cowboy, but the cows have already been brought to market and your rustling days are done.

[BigBallinStalin]

White Man's Burden is a good book on foreign aid, but you know what really aids foreigners? Freer markets.

People in the past didn't live like Kings with their rocket stoves and tiny farms. If you scorn trade (by supporting greater self-sufficiency), then you scorn all those possibilities toward prosperity. It's not beneficial to promote a life of subsistence, and all of your ideas rely on freer markets in order to be more efficiently implemented.

Permaculture is great if the prices of electricity and water justify it, but what works for you may not work for everyone. Value and the cost of opportunities foregone are subjective, so there's more to the price of permaculture. You can't use certain products, and you can't use certain capital; therefore, the costs of permaculture can be greater than once imagined. It's not as efficient as imagined.

However, the market for permaculture depends on the prices (and the production) of electricity, water, sewage, and garbage disposal, all of which are heavily controlled--sometimes, monopolized by government(s), no it's surprise that the market for permaculture hardly takes off. I see permaculture as a solution for many 'public goods' problems that are touted in defense of government monopolization and control, so I agree with you there. Same with the hemp houses.

But again, for those goals to be realized, you'd need freer markets. Hopefully, you're comfortable with that.